SCC | Private Members Inaugural Meet
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MAC 720S said:
RBT0 said:
Yes I was joking, I thought you remembered that.
Dementia setting in. Anyway, the club was only started in April, but has swelled to 1k+ members. There's a lot of McLaren owners in it, as well as many other Marques. The BMM is the inaugural meet (100+ cars, possibly 200), although there has been two one-off events:
Youtuber PetrolPed contacted the club to ask if there was availablity of some cars for a special event at Goodwood to help celebrate a young lads 18th birthday.
Lovecars, with Tiff Needell, worked with the Club to provide some cars for a drag race. There's more drag races to come.
Edited by MAC 720S on Friday 7th August 22:56
Hi Mac720S....... definitely no intention to be insulting
We are on a friendly car forum , and everyone to their choice .
Not wanting to be argumentative, simply for its own sake either .
Just hoping that we could be more inclusive , and let all enthusiasts enjoy equally .
Have a lovely day on the 16/8 , and I hope that the weather is as good then as it is today .
We are on a friendly car forum , and everyone to their choice .
Not wanting to be argumentative, simply for its own sake either .
Just hoping that we could be more inclusive , and let all enthusiasts enjoy equally .
Have a lovely day on the 16/8 , and I hope that the weather is as good then as it is today .
carspath said:
...However this is a legitimate topic , so I will choose to keep the forum informed
Honestly, I doubt anyone on this forum, apart from you, is remotely interested.Why do you feel entitled to answers to your frankly quite rude and ridiculous questions? People are free to do what the hell they want with their time and money.
Would you walk up to a WI meeting and demand to know why you were not allowed to join that too?
Of course it’s elitist, sometimes being elitist has a purpose. Whether or not a track day full of Bugatti’s and high-end Ferrari’s knows or cares about trail-braking, having a car like a rusty old MX5 pottering around is just going to cause a road block due to the vast differences in performance.
People of a certain wealth or position also like to mix with similar types, it is a fact of life. They can relax and enjoy their day out without idiots wanting to see their yearly tax returns or demanding them to recite the firing order of their Lamborghini’s engine.
It’s clearly not a club for you, you are not entitled to be part of everything simply for liking cars. I don’t really understand why you feel the need to derail a thread about something you clearly do not like.
There are thousands of other clubs and organisations out there for a more discerning motoring enthusiasts and ‘real’ driving so what’s the problem? Join those instead.
Edited by Mezzanine on Saturday 8th August 12:33
Mezzanine Quote :
‘’ Being elitist has a purpose ‘’
“ People of a certain wealth or position like to mix with similar types “
It’s about a car club , not the Athenaeum , the Pitt , or a nomination for a Nobel prize !
Of course you can do what you want , it’s a distraction to bring up this point
But listen to yourself.
Do you really believe this , and if so , do you really believe that it portrays you in a favourable light ?
Please could you explain why the Porsche 981 is excluded but the 718 isn’t , and why an Elise 111R is excluded but a 2010 Elise R isn’t.
In other words hard facts , rather than an opinion .
I simply don’t see the logic , or maybe there is no logic.
Also fair enough .... it’s a private club , but it is good to have a reason , even if the reason is that there is no reason .
I make my point simply and clearly - this and any club , whatever it’s disposition , will fare much better by having a varied , informed and critical membership .
That is why I suggested to opening it up to enthusiasts as well as owners .
Inclusivity , rather than exclusivity , of membership is what makes any gathering of people genuinely valuable .
‘’ Being elitist has a purpose ‘’
“ People of a certain wealth or position like to mix with similar types “
It’s about a car club , not the Athenaeum , the Pitt , or a nomination for a Nobel prize !
Of course you can do what you want , it’s a distraction to bring up this point
But listen to yourself.
Do you really believe this , and if so , do you really believe that it portrays you in a favourable light ?
Please could you explain why the Porsche 981 is excluded but the 718 isn’t , and why an Elise 111R is excluded but a 2010 Elise R isn’t.
In other words hard facts , rather than an opinion .
I simply don’t see the logic , or maybe there is no logic.
Also fair enough .... it’s a private club , but it is good to have a reason , even if the reason is that there is no reason .
I make my point simply and clearly - this and any club , whatever it’s disposition , will fare much better by having a varied , informed and critical membership .
That is why I suggested to opening it up to enthusiasts as well as owners .
Inclusivity , rather than exclusivity , of membership is what makes any gathering of people genuinely valuable .
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 13:56
If we followed your logic then all clubs should have no requirements for entrance.
Next you’re going to say life isn’t fair. Maybe it wasn’t fair that you got the “most prestigious position for a junior doctor in the UK”. Maybe they should share the position to whoever wants to have a go? I expect that position gave you access to some fairly “elitist” exposure from a professional point of view.
Elitism is good. It motivates and directs aspiration.
Oxbridge is an example of a once elite club - where academic brilliance was rewarded by entrance to it. Now with social mobility (engineering) it’s lost all pretence to that crown. FOI requests showed 30% of the current September 2019 intake at Oxford failed to even get three As at A level and yet were still admitted! Now it’s full of thickos who supposedly have “potential” because they ticked the right social mobility box.
Here’s an idea. You don’t like the rules then set up your own club.
Sorry to further derail the thread.
Next you’re going to say life isn’t fair. Maybe it wasn’t fair that you got the “most prestigious position for a junior doctor in the UK”. Maybe they should share the position to whoever wants to have a go? I expect that position gave you access to some fairly “elitist” exposure from a professional point of view.
Elitism is good. It motivates and directs aspiration.
Oxbridge is an example of a once elite club - where academic brilliance was rewarded by entrance to it. Now with social mobility (engineering) it’s lost all pretence to that crown. FOI requests showed 30% of the current September 2019 intake at Oxford failed to even get three As at A level and yet were still admitted! Now it’s full of thickos who supposedly have “potential” because they ticked the right social mobility box.
Here’s an idea. You don’t like the rules then set up your own club.
Sorry to further derail the thread.
Hi OldandTired ,
Thanks for writing in . No need to apologise really , you're not derailing . This is great publicity for the SCC . Maybe i should be on commission.
I think that you are confusing the word elitism with meritocracy .
The OED defines elitism as '' a superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite ''.
I just checked in the OED to make sure that i hadn't got it wrong.
Most of us dont want to admit to wanting to be ''led '' by anyone .
You do realise that the word 'Elitism ' is a pejorative term dont you ?
You and the last poster appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the word , and appear to think that it is regarded as a good thing .
So i think that what you meant to write is '' ACHIEVEMENT is good . It motivates and directs aspiration '' rather than ELITISM is good etc, etc
Re Oxbridge , i was there in the early 80's , so thank you for the compliment .
Entrance then , and i believe still today , is based very , very largely on meritocracy ( Admittedly being put on a plane at the age of 12 , and being sent off to a supposedly elite boarding school might have helped a tiny bit , but it was and remains a fallacy that public schools mean as automatic entry to Oxbridge - meritocracy is the overarching consideration despite what the Leninists say . Anyway i thank my parents for that - i had no say in the matter ).
I think that Cambridge still has more Nobel Prize winners than the whole of France , so i wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it as a tour de force of academic achievement ( You see again that word Achievement rather than Elitism ) .
It certainly had in my day .
Re social mobility , sure there's a problem there , but it is being acknowledged and being addressed .
It must have been even more so in my day , but hey , ho dont let the Leninists mislead you - its not all bad .
The really important point is that Cambridge have openly acknowledged an issue , and are beginning to address it .
Which neatly leads us to this thread .
Why not acknowledge that there is no logic to the entry requirements
Do explain the 981/718 and Elise 11R / R issue that i refer to above .
Where is the logical basis for this discrepancy .
Why not answer this glaring question directly ?
It would be good to hear some logic .
The derailment is in avoiding answering the hard questions re membership and confusing it with 'elitism' , social mobility and potential .
The simple point remains that the only requirement to join this exclusive club remains the ability to sign on the dotted line of a PCP document .
So why not have some social mobility within this new club and allow the proles in with their rusty MX5's , 111Rs and 981's .
After all we are not dealing with a club that has a history dating back more than 3 months .
I think that both those cars can just about do 70 mph so let us in for the road driving events and exclude us from the track time .
These simple questions actually transcend simple car club membership and address something more fundamental .
Thanks for writing in . No need to apologise really , you're not derailing . This is great publicity for the SCC . Maybe i should be on commission.
I think that you are confusing the word elitism with meritocracy .
The OED defines elitism as '' a superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite ''.
I just checked in the OED to make sure that i hadn't got it wrong.
Most of us dont want to admit to wanting to be ''led '' by anyone .
You do realise that the word 'Elitism ' is a pejorative term dont you ?
You and the last poster appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the word , and appear to think that it is regarded as a good thing .
So i think that what you meant to write is '' ACHIEVEMENT is good . It motivates and directs aspiration '' rather than ELITISM is good etc, etc
Re Oxbridge , i was there in the early 80's , so thank you for the compliment .
Entrance then , and i believe still today , is based very , very largely on meritocracy ( Admittedly being put on a plane at the age of 12 , and being sent off to a supposedly elite boarding school might have helped a tiny bit , but it was and remains a fallacy that public schools mean as automatic entry to Oxbridge - meritocracy is the overarching consideration despite what the Leninists say . Anyway i thank my parents for that - i had no say in the matter ).
I think that Cambridge still has more Nobel Prize winners than the whole of France , so i wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it as a tour de force of academic achievement ( You see again that word Achievement rather than Elitism ) .
It certainly had in my day .
Re social mobility , sure there's a problem there , but it is being acknowledged and being addressed .
It must have been even more so in my day , but hey , ho dont let the Leninists mislead you - its not all bad .
The really important point is that Cambridge have openly acknowledged an issue , and are beginning to address it .
Which neatly leads us to this thread .
Why not acknowledge that there is no logic to the entry requirements
Do explain the 981/718 and Elise 11R / R issue that i refer to above .
Where is the logical basis for this discrepancy .
Why not answer this glaring question directly ?
It would be good to hear some logic .
The derailment is in avoiding answering the hard questions re membership and confusing it with 'elitism' , social mobility and potential .
The simple point remains that the only requirement to join this exclusive club remains the ability to sign on the dotted line of a PCP document .
So why not have some social mobility within this new club and allow the proles in with their rusty MX5's , 111Rs and 981's .
After all we are not dealing with a club that has a history dating back more than 3 months .
I think that both those cars can just about do 70 mph so let us in for the road driving events and exclude us from the track time .
These simple questions actually transcend simple car club membership and address something more fundamental .
carspath said:
Hi OldandTired ,
Thanks for writing in . No need to apologise really , you're not derailing . This is great publicity for the SCC . Maybe i should be on commission.
I think that you are confusing the word elitism with meritocracy .
The OED defines elitism as '' a superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite ''.
I just checked in the OED to make sure that i hadn't got it wrong.
Most of us dont want to admit to wanting to be ''led '' by anyone .
You do realise that the word 'Elitism ' is a pejorative term dont you ?
You and the last poster appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the word , and appear to think that it is regarded as a good thing .
So i think that what you meant to write is '' ACHIEVEMENT is good . It motivates and directs aspiration '' rather than ELITISM is good etc, etc
Re Oxbridge , i was there in the early 80's , so thank you for the compliment .
Entrance then , and i believe still today , is based very , very largely on meritocracy ( Admittedly being put on a plane at the age of 12 , and being sent off to a supposedly elite boarding school might have helped a tiny bit , but it was and remains a fallacy that public schools mean as automatic entry to Oxbridge - meritocracy is the overarching consideration despite what the Leninists say . Anyway i thank my parents for that - i had no say in the matter ).
I think that Cambridge still has more Nobel Prize winners than the whole of France , so i wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it as a tour de force of academic achievement ( You see again that word Achievement rather than Elitism ) .
It certainly had in my day .
Re social mobility , sure there's a problem there , but it is being acknowledged and being addressed .
It must have been even more so in my day , but hey , ho dont let the Leninists mislead you - its not all bad .
The really important point is that Cambridge have openly acknowledged an issue , and are beginning to address it .
Which neatly leads us to this thread .
Why not acknowledge that there is no logic to the entry requirements
Do explain the 981/718 and Elise 11R / R issue that i refer to above .
Where is the logical basis for this discrepancy .
Why not answer this glaring question directly ?
It would be good to hear some logic .
The derailment is in avoiding answering the hard questions re membership and confusing it with 'elitism' , social mobility and potential .
The simple point remains that the only requirement to join this exclusive club remains the ability to sign on the dotted line of a PCP document .
So why not have some social mobility within this new club and allow the proles in with their rusty MX5's , 111Rs and 981's .
After all we are not dealing with a club that has a history dating back more than 3 months .
I think that both those cars can just about do 70 mph so let us in for the road driving events and exclude us from the track time .
These simple questions actually transcend simple car club membership and address something more fundamental .
FFSThanks for writing in . No need to apologise really , you're not derailing . This is great publicity for the SCC . Maybe i should be on commission.
I think that you are confusing the word elitism with meritocracy .
The OED defines elitism as '' a superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite ''.
I just checked in the OED to make sure that i hadn't got it wrong.
Most of us dont want to admit to wanting to be ''led '' by anyone .
You do realise that the word 'Elitism ' is a pejorative term dont you ?
You and the last poster appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the word , and appear to think that it is regarded as a good thing .
So i think that what you meant to write is '' ACHIEVEMENT is good . It motivates and directs aspiration '' rather than ELITISM is good etc, etc
Re Oxbridge , i was there in the early 80's , so thank you for the compliment .
Entrance then , and i believe still today , is based very , very largely on meritocracy ( Admittedly being put on a plane at the age of 12 , and being sent off to a supposedly elite boarding school might have helped a tiny bit , but it was and remains a fallacy that public schools mean as automatic entry to Oxbridge - meritocracy is the overarching consideration despite what the Leninists say . Anyway i thank my parents for that - i had no say in the matter ).
I think that Cambridge still has more Nobel Prize winners than the whole of France , so i wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it as a tour de force of academic achievement ( You see again that word Achievement rather than Elitism ) .
It certainly had in my day .
Re social mobility , sure there's a problem there , but it is being acknowledged and being addressed .
It must have been even more so in my day , but hey , ho dont let the Leninists mislead you - its not all bad .
The really important point is that Cambridge have openly acknowledged an issue , and are beginning to address it .
Which neatly leads us to this thread .
Why not acknowledge that there is no logic to the entry requirements
Do explain the 981/718 and Elise 11R / R issue that i refer to above .
Where is the logical basis for this discrepancy .
Why not answer this glaring question directly ?
It would be good to hear some logic .
The derailment is in avoiding answering the hard questions re membership and confusing it with 'elitism' , social mobility and potential .
The simple point remains that the only requirement to join this exclusive club remains the ability to sign on the dotted line of a PCP document .
So why not have some social mobility within this new club and allow the proles in with their rusty MX5's , 111Rs and 981's .
After all we are not dealing with a club that has a history dating back more than 3 months .
I think that both those cars can just about do 70 mph so let us in for the road driving events and exclude us from the track time .
These simple questions actually transcend simple car club membership and address something more fundamental .
I think we should all be grateful that people start car clubs like SSC and DU, and let us take our toys out to play with them occasionally without the hassle of organising things ourselves. There is room for more car clubs if anyone wants to start one, and they can make their own rules for the club.
Why worry about it carspath? It’s not for you obviously and it’s their club, so they can set whatever criteria they want in the end.
There’ll be plenty out there with “qualifying cars” that won’t join as the use of “Private Members” in the club name is a massive cringe for many and the shouty caps lock joining instructions telling you that you’ll be ignored if you don’t fill them in properly will put many off too.
There’ll be plenty out there with “qualifying cars” that won’t join as the use of “Private Members” in the club name is a massive cringe for many and the shouty caps lock joining instructions telling you that you’ll be ignored if you don’t fill them in properly will put many off too.
Carspath it’s you with your gigantic chip that is making elite a solely pejorative term. It certainly doesn’t preclude meritocracy.
For example.
Elite athlete. I would describe an Olympic athlete as elite. Unless he/she cheated then definitely a title earned through a meritocratic process.
If 30% of Oxford undergraduates are running around with less than 3 As and not even a single A* then it is no longer an elite institution for academic brilliance. (See how I used the word elite again). Of course they still take the very best at the top who go on to win Nobel Prizes but the bottom 30% have displaced much smarter kids because they have ticked the right social mobility boxes.
I agree I don’t consider owning a supercar makes you elite, but clubs get to make the rules.
I can’t understand your problem.
For example.
Elite athlete. I would describe an Olympic athlete as elite. Unless he/she cheated then definitely a title earned through a meritocratic process.
If 30% of Oxford undergraduates are running around with less than 3 As and not even a single A* then it is no longer an elite institution for academic brilliance. (See how I used the word elite again). Of course they still take the very best at the top who go on to win Nobel Prizes but the bottom 30% have displaced much smarter kids because they have ticked the right social mobility boxes.
I agree I don’t consider owning a supercar makes you elite, but clubs get to make the rules.
I can’t understand your problem.
OldandTired.... you really must buy a dictionary , and then you must use said dictionary .
There is a Mariana Trench of difference between the word ‘elite ‘ and the word‘ elitism ‘ .
I never said the word elite was a pejorative term ..... it was you that used the word ‘ elitism ‘ in a context that clearly made it a pejorative term .
I,ve even made it easier for you by giving you the Oxford English Dictionary definition for the word , elitism and yet you persist in claiming that the word elitism is not a pejorative term .
And to top it all , you claim the UK,s 2 educational crowning glories , Oxbridge , are not up to the mark . Really. These are world class institutions... just look up the global league tables and reconsider , or your points will be even less well regarded on an objective basis than they already are .
Can’t say that I came across many of what you call ‘ thickos ‘ while there either ...... again you might want to reconsider .
As to my gigantic chip , exactly why would I have one ?
Because I got in somewhere ?.... well there was none of your social engineering in the early 1980s
Or because I own an MX5 ?
Or because I can’t afford a sports car or a supercar ?
Or because I felt that knowledgeable and passionate enthusiasts should have access to a car club ?
Anyway best of luck working out the difference between the words elite and elitism , and maybe also the word pejorative .
Miss Google and the OED are useful assets here .
Oh , and for all the many postings thus far , no one has yet explained the 981 / 718 and the Elise 111R / Elise R issue , and you too are studiously avoiding it
Why ?
There is a Mariana Trench of difference between the word ‘elite ‘ and the word‘ elitism ‘ .
I never said the word elite was a pejorative term ..... it was you that used the word ‘ elitism ‘ in a context that clearly made it a pejorative term .
I,ve even made it easier for you by giving you the Oxford English Dictionary definition for the word , elitism and yet you persist in claiming that the word elitism is not a pejorative term .
And to top it all , you claim the UK,s 2 educational crowning glories , Oxbridge , are not up to the mark . Really. These are world class institutions... just look up the global league tables and reconsider , or your points will be even less well regarded on an objective basis than they already are .
Can’t say that I came across many of what you call ‘ thickos ‘ while there either ...... again you might want to reconsider .
As to my gigantic chip , exactly why would I have one ?
Because I got in somewhere ?.... well there was none of your social engineering in the early 1980s
Or because I own an MX5 ?
Or because I can’t afford a sports car or a supercar ?
Or because I felt that knowledgeable and passionate enthusiasts should have access to a car club ?
Anyway best of luck working out the difference between the words elite and elitism , and maybe also the word pejorative .
Miss Google and the OED are useful assets here .
Oh , and for all the many postings thus far , no one has yet explained the 981 / 718 and the Elise 111R / Elise R issue , and you too are studiously avoiding it
Why ?
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 17:58
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 18:24
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 18:32
carspath said:
Oh , and for all the many postings thus far , no one has yet explained the 981 / 718 and the Elise 111R / Elise R issue , and you too are studiously avoiding it
Why ?
I don't even know what the difference between those Porsche and Lotus models are but I had a quick look at the club website and apart from its crass emphasis of "Private Member" it seemed to be open to pretty much anyone with a moderately interesting car if anything for me its non elitist enough, if I had the time for one of these driving clubs I wouldn't particularly want to be mingling with Caterhams, R8s and some of the BMW/Merc models listed so I must be real snobby tWhy ?
t 
carspath said:
OldandTired.... you really must buy a dictionary , and then you must use said dictionary .
There is a Mariana Trench of difference between the word ‘elite ‘ and the word‘ elitism ‘ .
I never said the word elite was a pejorative term ..... it was you that used the word ‘ elitism ‘ in a context that clearly made it a pejorative term .
I,ve even made it easier for you by giving you the Oxford English Dictionary definition for the word , elitism and yet you persist in claiming that the word elitism is not a pejorative term .
And to top it all , you claim the UK,s 2 educational crowning glories , Oxbridge , are not up to the mark . Really. These are world class institutions... just look up the global league tables and reconsider , or your points will be even less well regarded on an objective basis than they already are .
Can’t say that I came across many of what you call ‘ thickos ‘ while there either ...... again you might want to reconsider .
As to my gigantic chip , exactly why would I have one ?
Because I got in somewhere ?.... well there was none of your social engineering in the early 1980s
Or because I own an MX5 ?
Or because I can’t afford a sports car or a supercar ?
Or because I felt that knowledgeable and passionate enthusiasts should have access to a car club ?
Anyway best of luck working out the difference between the words elite and elitism , and maybe also the word pejorative .
Miss Google and the OED are useful assets here .
Oh , and for all the many postings thus far , no one has yet explained the 981 / 718 and the Elise 111R / Elise R issue , and you too are studiously avoiding it
Why ?
WOW!! Im glad im as thick as sThere is a Mariana Trench of difference between the word ‘elite ‘ and the word‘ elitism ‘ .
I never said the word elite was a pejorative term ..... it was you that used the word ‘ elitism ‘ in a context that clearly made it a pejorative term .
I,ve even made it easier for you by giving you the Oxford English Dictionary definition for the word , elitism and yet you persist in claiming that the word elitism is not a pejorative term .
And to top it all , you claim the UK,s 2 educational crowning glories , Oxbridge , are not up to the mark . Really. These are world class institutions... just look up the global league tables and reconsider , or your points will be even less well regarded on an objective basis than they already are .
Can’t say that I came across many of what you call ‘ thickos ‘ while there either ...... again you might want to reconsider .
As to my gigantic chip , exactly why would I have one ?
Because I got in somewhere ?.... well there was none of your social engineering in the early 1980s
Or because I own an MX5 ?
Or because I can’t afford a sports car or a supercar ?
Or because I felt that knowledgeable and passionate enthusiasts should have access to a car club ?
Anyway best of luck working out the difference between the words elite and elitism , and maybe also the word pejorative .
Miss Google and the OED are useful assets here .
Oh , and for all the many postings thus far , no one has yet explained the 981 / 718 and the Elise 111R / Elise R issue , and you too are studiously avoiding it
Why ?
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 17:58
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 18:24
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 18:32
t! But we might try and come down, and we wont be in a MX5 so should get in 
Actually, I don’t like the fact that low end cars are also allowed in, like cayman or elise.
Is or not a supercar club?
Pick list of cars listed in EVO magazine, pick supercars as reference....
Unforunately in a way, as in many cases people tend to create groups based on common things.
Having a club too generalist and diverse with all type of cars is something that some people may not like, plus, it doesn’t help in many things, like convoys or type of event/track day.
Is or not a supercar club?
Pick list of cars listed in EVO magazine, pick supercars as reference....
Unforunately in a way, as in many cases people tend to create groups based on common things.
Having a club too generalist and diverse with all type of cars is something that some people may not like, plus, it doesn’t help in many things, like convoys or type of event/track day.
RBT0 said:
Actually, I don’t like the fact that low end cars are also allowed in, like cayman or elise.
Is or not a supercar club?
Pick list of cars listed in EVO magazine, pick supercars as reference....
Unforunately in a way, as in many cases people tend to create groups based on common things.
Having a club too generalist and diverse with all type of cars is something that some people may not like, plus, it doesn’t help in many things, like convoys or type of event/track day.
With a foot in both camps I tend to agree. If a group of supercar owners want to set up a supercar club why should they not be able to? If anything I think some of these clubs have a far too wide criteria. Is or not a supercar club?
Pick list of cars listed in EVO magazine, pick supercars as reference....
Unforunately in a way, as in many cases people tend to create groups based on common things.
Having a club too generalist and diverse with all type of cars is something that some people may not like, plus, it doesn’t help in many things, like convoys or type of event/track day.
The same goes for none supercars. If I go to a Lotus meet I wouldn't want to be the knob head turning up in a Ferrari. If you have a Lotus you get to join that club. If you have a Focus RS you get to join that exclusive club. It's not about exclusion or elitism.
Would I be welcomed at the Royal college of Surgeons Christmas bash?
Why not just go in the Lambo Carspath? I thought you had a Gallardo?
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