McLaren 765LT

[sardis]

I do agree with what you say but when Craig Revel Horwood turns up on every bloody thread it’s a bit unfair...

[MDL111]

The 765 looks a right handful and ended up with a rather slow time. No expert, but are the tyres on these not wide enough (it is not like a Trofeo R is not sticky...)? 620 also quite slow, possibly more optimized for slicks maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51EcY4vAPtw

[12pack]

MDL111 said:

The 765 looks a right handful and ended up with a rather slow time. No expert, but are the tyres on these not wide enough (it is not like a Trofeo R is not sticky...)? 620 also quite slow, possibly more optimized for slicks maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51EcY4vAPtw

Well, they just have too much power for their geometry. And they both seemed to have seemed to struggle on entry through the far hairpin. Of course tyres will help here. And, I’m sure someone who spends more time with them will eke out better times. But the set up probably makes it too difficult to just jump in and get the best times with a few acquaintance laps.

Edited by 12pack on Saturday 21st November 12:04

[Mutton]

MDL111 said:

The 765 looks a right handful and ended up with a rather slow time. No expert, but are the tyres on these not wide enough (it is not like a Trofeo R is not sticky...)? 620 also quite slow, possibly more optimized for slicks maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51EcY4vAPtw

And slightly slower than a 720S Track Pack; 1:46.2 vs the 720S 1:45.5..

Sport Auto's YouTube comments:

Why is the 765LT (1.46,2 min) slower than the 720S (1.45,5 min)? The 720S with Track Pack / Trofeo R had a very well balanced setup with perfect traction and a good drivability. In the 765LT it was the opposite. First problem: Entry oversteer when the steering input is a tiny bit too sharp (You have to work very, very sensitive on the steering wheel at the corner entry). Second problem: Less traction and snappy oversteer during accelerating out of the corner.

Pretty much confirms the edgy looking handling from the online reviews.

[MDL111]

Senna for comparison - scary fast through the fast corners and seems to have decent grip out of the slow corners As well. I’d quite like one of those even if they are rather challenging to look at - certainly doesn’t look like the 765 gets anywhere near it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXp-fwV60BQ

Just realized the Senna is one tyre size up 245/315 vs 235/305 - that probably helps a little in the slower corners

Edited by MDL111 on Saturday 21st November 16:20

[TB993tt]

MDL111 said:

Just realized the Senna is one tyre size up 245/315 vs 235/305 - that probably helps a little in the slower corners

Edited by MDL111 on Saturday 21st November 16:20

765 has 245 fronts as well.

[MDL111]

TB993tt said:

MDL111 said:

Just realized the Senna is one tyre size up 245/315 vs 235/305 - that probably helps a little in the slower corners

Edited by MDL111 on Saturday 21st November 16:20

765 has 245 fronts as well.

Ah didn’t know that, then only a little more traction for the senna

[TB993tt]

MDL111 said:

Ah didn’t know that, then only a little more traction for the senna

Baffling why the 765 didn't get the 315s like the Senna, with the lower final drive it is attempting to put similar amount of torque to the road, the extra 10mm would surely have helped.

[MDL111]

TB993tt said:

MDL111 said:

Ah didn’t know that, then only a little more traction for the senna

Baffling why the 765 didn't get the 315s like the Senna, with the lower final drive it is attempting to put similar amount of torque to the road, the extra 10mm would surely have helped.

I assume you could just run one size up on the 765 on the standard rear rim? I remember I did that on my 355 a long time ago.

[WCZ]

Looks like a right mess in that lap

[likesachange]

Drag Times have managed to get there hands on one... Looks quite pokey!!

I know 1/4 mile times are irrelevant to many supercar owners especially track focused ones, but its a bonus winning that top trump too.

9.8 1/4 on normal Pirellis on the street. Not Corsa or prepped surface... put it in perspective the Chiron on the strip ran 9.9....

The way that speedo climbs is ridiculous!

[WCZ]

likesachange said:

Drag Times have managed to get there hands on one... Looks quite pokey!!

I know 1/4 mile times are irrelevant to many supercar owners especially track focused ones, but its a bonus winning that top trump too.

9.8 1/4 on normal Pirellis on the street. Not Corsa or prepped surface... put it in perspective the Chiron on the strip ran 9.9....

The way that speedo climbs is ridiculous!

I can't remember his name but there's another respected youtuber who regularly tests cars in america who loves the 765lt

such a polarising car! I suppose the main failure is that it's objectively bad on track despite it being a track car

[likesachange]

WCZ said:

I can't remember his name but there's another respected youtuber who regularly tests cars in america who loves the 765lt

such a polarising car! I suppose the main failure is that it's objectively bad on track despite it being a track car

Suppose lap times will ultimately show if it’s a “good” track car. I guess some want clinical well balanced Neutral cars and some want ones that literally have your palms sweating with fear on each corner . By the sounds of it the 765lt is more the latter?? Which would be where I would swing...

[MDL111]

likesachange said:

WCZ said:

I can't remember his name but there's another respected youtuber who regularly tests cars in america who loves the 765lt

such a polarising car! I suppose the main failure is that it's objectively bad on track despite it being a track car

Suppose lap times will ultimately show if it’s a “good” track car. I guess some want clinical well balanced Neutral cars and some want ones that literally have your palms sweating with fear on each corner . By the sounds of it the 765lt is more the latter?? Which would be where I would swing...

I can see both sides, but for a car this fast I would go for the first option. The couple of times I spun on track last year at relatively low speed my heart rate spiked quite substantially and I was definitely going slower afterwards as hitting the barriers would have been rather painful and very expensive. A better driver will likely have a very different view as he/she will be much more comfortable that crashing is only a remote possibility.

[WCZ]

likesachange said:

Suppose lap times will ultimately show if it’s a “good” track car. I guess some want clinical well balanced Neutral cars and some want ones that literally have your palms sweating with fear on each corner . By the sounds of it the 765lt is more the latter?? Which would be where I would swing...

in a slower hot hatch i'd rather it be more exciting but in something which is incredibly powerful and will be going insane speeds then i'd rather it be a bit more balanced personally!

everyone who drives the tdf on the road for ex is absolutely st scared!

[likesachange]

WCZ said:

in a slower hot hatch i'd rather it be more exciting but in something which is incredibly powerful and will be going insane speeds then i'd rather it be a bit more balanced personally!

everyone who drives the tdf on the road for ex is absolutely st scared!

Maybe it’s because I’m a proper northerner and speed doesn’t really frighten me. Especially on track...

On another off topic subject. How many fatalities are there at trackdays in uk ?? Think I only recall one. These cars are incredibly safe when there are very few static objects to hit

[TP321]

Seems the 765lt will be a handful on the UKs damp cold roads.

[likesachange]

TP321 said:

Seems the 765lt will be a handful on the UKs damp cold roads.

I can only imagine most 600plus bhp RWD super cars will be a handful in those conditions?? Especially the torquey turbo’d ones!

[TP321]

Yes but this seems to catch every road tester out...can’t remember the last time I saw that.

[12pack]

Well, unlike my V12 Vantage, the great thing about the 650/570/720 is how they get the power down - even in the damp. And then how they gradually and controllably let go. Heck, I can drift my 650s in track mode just going through a roundabout (when there’s no one else around of course). The 765Lt sounds much more like my V12 Vantage, which snaps loose without warning.