McMain Dealers- Your thoughts
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Kent Border Kenny said:
Buster73 said:
I’ve never understood the need to see if a car physically will fit in a garage .
Measure the garage , find out the dimensions on the car off the internet, a two seconds mental arithmetic will work it out .
It’s not whether the car can fit, it’s whether you can get in and out of it.Measure the garage , find out the dimensions on the car off the internet, a two seconds mental arithmetic will work it out .
Since I’m squeezing the 650 in next to the V12V, I’m glad I don’t have a newer model with the slanting sill.
With the higher, but flatter sill on the 650, I slide in backwards, holding the door partially open. I sit on the sill as the first step, before pivoting in one leg at a time.
With the higher, but flatter sill on the 650, I slide in backwards, holding the door partially open. I sit on the sill as the first step, before pivoting in one leg at a time.
Probably not at an individual dealer level, more Mclaren themselves, but I think if Mclaren could help support or at least enable an independent specialist network, it would do the brand a lot of good. Right now, I think a lot of people are put off buying Mclarens because of the depreciation. No doubt driven by the scare stories around reliability. As there is very little support outside of the dealer network, costs to sort problems are huge, so the number one piece of advice given to anyone looking to buy, is get a warranty! That ranges from £3-5k...every year. It puts some people off. When I was looking at Huracan's, comparing the pro's and con's with Mclarens, I would have been willing to run a Huracan without a warranty. So straight away I can save £3-400 per month, I could spend an extra £20-30k on a Huracan and not be any worse off. And with the Huracan that additional spend would be on an asset that I could get some of that cost back, a warranty on a Mclaren is money down the drain.
Why is a 4 yr old Hurracan 50% more expensive than a 3 yr old 570s? The 570s is quicker, a better drive, more modern?
Why is an 8 yr old Ferrari 458 the same price as a 2 yr old 720s? The 720s is vastly superior in every way?
I know there are a variety of reasons for the above, but some of these could be worked on to help close the gap and help Mclaren reach its potential in the supercar industry. And if used cars become more desirable, then Mclaren will be able to sell their new cars for more money, helping drive up used values..... it snowballs.
Why is a 4 yr old Hurracan 50% more expensive than a 3 yr old 570s? The 570s is quicker, a better drive, more modern?
Why is an 8 yr old Ferrari 458 the same price as a 2 yr old 720s? The 720s is vastly superior in every way?
I know there are a variety of reasons for the above, but some of these could be worked on to help close the gap and help Mclaren reach its potential in the supercar industry. And if used cars become more desirable, then Mclaren will be able to sell their new cars for more money, helping drive up used values..... it snowballs.
To get back to the original thread, if the OP wants to improve their service and doesn’t work for Rybrook/McBirmingham, then simply do what they do...
Just picked up my 570 spider today after it’s 2 year service.
Loan Car: yes
Price as agreed: yes
Communication throughout: yes
Competitive prices on tyres: yes
Warranty work done without asking: yes
Car cleaned within an inch of its life: yes
Rip-off prices: NO
Free gift on seat: yes
Car had a few wobbles when new, but they couldn’t have been more helpful. I travel from West Sussex to Birmingham, because with service like this, why would I go elsewhere?
Had a 911 for 18 years and sold it, as I grew to hate the Porsche dealer and their “we’re doing you a favour by servicing your Porsche, Sir”
Have bought 3 cars from Rybrook Specialist cars and they even repaired my Range Rover same day, when it broke down in Solihull (luckily) and the local LR dealer couldn’t get near it.
About to embark on Ferrari ownership with a Pista, do hope the service is as good as the McLaren.
P.S. I don’t work for Rybrook, my business is really focused on customer service and it makes a change to get some back, especially from a garage...
Just picked up my 570 spider today after it’s 2 year service.
Loan Car: yes
Price as agreed: yes
Communication throughout: yes
Competitive prices on tyres: yes
Warranty work done without asking: yes
Car cleaned within an inch of its life: yes
Rip-off prices: NO
Free gift on seat: yes
Car had a few wobbles when new, but they couldn’t have been more helpful. I travel from West Sussex to Birmingham, because with service like this, why would I go elsewhere?
Had a 911 for 18 years and sold it, as I grew to hate the Porsche dealer and their “we’re doing you a favour by servicing your Porsche, Sir”
Have bought 3 cars from Rybrook Specialist cars and they even repaired my Range Rover same day, when it broke down in Solihull (luckily) and the local LR dealer couldn’t get near it.
About to embark on Ferrari ownership with a Pista, do hope the service is as good as the McLaren.
P.S. I don’t work for Rybrook, my business is really focused on customer service and it makes a change to get some back, especially from a garage...
AstonExige said:
Why is a 4 yr old Hurracan 50% more expensive than a 3 yr old 570s? The 570s is quicker, a better drive, more modern?
Why is an 8 yr old Ferrari 458 the same price as a 2 yr old 720s? The 720s is vastly superior in every way?
Invalid comparisons there.Why is an 8 yr old Ferrari 458 the same price as a 2 yr old 720s? The 720s is vastly superior in every way?
New 570S cheaper than new Huracan, as they are not direct competitors.
458 is an anomaly, as the last NA V8.
488 is a fair comparison to 720S.
drcarrera said:
I don't think Covid's helping when it comes to test drives but I'm in a similar position to Kenny in that I'd like to try a 570 and 650 before committing to go for one or the other but can't get a drive without being serious about interest in a specific car. I guess I could try feigning interest in a car just to get a test drive but doesn't sit well to do that, really.
I had *exactly* the same experience! It was bloody difficult, in fact impossible, to get anyone to provide test drives or even much attention. Its a bloody miracle I actually bought one... 650s. djangoW said:
I had *exactly* the same experience! It was bloody difficult, in fact impossible, to get anyone to provide test drives or even much attention. Its a bloody miracle I actually bought one... 650s.
As I’ve posted elsewhere, I did buy in the end without trying, and I’m extremely happy that I did, but it was definitely a gamble.First impressions are extremely positive, but the roads haven’t been dry since I bought it, so I can’t comment yet on how it feels when driven hard.
I love the interior, the driving position is great, and having the machined metal controls is lovely.
The best word to describe the overall feel is solid. There seems to be no slack or give anywhere. The steering is, as I hoped, as direct as an Elise, but unsurprisingly, not on the same level as the Lotus.
Leaving it in auto, I’m amazed at how nicely it works at low revs, it seems to rarely go over 3,000 if being used non-aggressively.
Mine looks like new, and for the first time ever I’m wondering if I should make a little bit of an effort to keep it for mainly dry use. Seeing leaves compacted into the grills, wheel-arches and other corners isn’t nice.
Kent Border Kenny said:
As I’ve posted elsewhere, I did buy in the end without trying, and I’m extremely happy that I did, but it was definitely a gamble.
First impressions are extremely positive, but the roads haven’t been dry since I bought it, so I can’t comment yet on how it feels when driven hard.
I love the interior, the driving position is great, and having the machined metal controls is lovely.
The best word to describe the overall feel is solid. There seems to be no slack or give anywhere. The steering is, as I hoped, as direct as an Elise, but unsurprisingly, not on the same level as the Lotus.
Leaving it in auto, I’m amazed at how nicely it works at low revs, it seems to rarely go over 3,000 if being used non-aggressively.
Mine looks like new, and for the first time ever I’m wondering if I should make a little bit of an effort to keep it for mainly dry use. Seeing leaves compacted into the grills, wheel-arches and other corners isn’t nice.
Engine mode makes a big difference to auto behaviour. In normal, it's like most true auto cars and tries to get in as high gear as possible as often as possible. Sport is a bit more normal - and I think track basically waits until you get to the redline to change up!First impressions are extremely positive, but the roads haven’t been dry since I bought it, so I can’t comment yet on how it feels when driven hard.
I love the interior, the driving position is great, and having the machined metal controls is lovely.
The best word to describe the overall feel is solid. There seems to be no slack or give anywhere. The steering is, as I hoped, as direct as an Elise, but unsurprisingly, not on the same level as the Lotus.
Leaving it in auto, I’m amazed at how nicely it works at low revs, it seems to rarely go over 3,000 if being used non-aggressively.
Mine looks like new, and for the first time ever I’m wondering if I should make a little bit of an effort to keep it for mainly dry use. Seeing leaves compacted into the grills, wheel-arches and other corners isn’t nice.
I do sometimes wonder if there's something wrong with mine. Everybody else is very positive about the steering, and it's one of the things I really don't like. It seems to need sooooooo much input to turn (i.e. for the same bend, I'd have to turn the wheel at least 50% more than the 360 I had) and it makes it feel less direct.
davek_964 said:
Engine mode makes a big difference to auto behaviour. In normal, it's like most true auto cars and tries to get in as high gear as possible as often as possible. Sport is a bit more normal - and I think track basically waits until you get to the redline to change up!
I do sometimes wonder if there's something wrong with mine. Everybody else is very positive about the steering, and it's one of the things I really don't like. It seems to need sooooooo much input to turn (i.e. for the same bend, I'd have to turn the wheel at least 50% more than the 360 I had) and it makes it feel less direct.
I think that that’s definitely the case, Ferraris I understand have faster racks with much quicker initial bite and turn-in.I do sometimes wonder if there's something wrong with mine. Everybody else is very positive about the steering, and it's one of the things I really don't like. It seems to need sooooooo much input to turn (i.e. for the same bend, I'd have to turn the wheel at least 50% more than the 360 I had) and it makes it feel less direct.
The argument for not having this set-up is that it gets wearing very quickly, as it means constant tiny adjustments to your line.
I think my Elises gave me the same feeling as Ferraris supposedly do, that just a slight roll of the wrists had the front end darting for the apex.
Some of this will be down to geometry, too, as the way the whelks react to weight shift and to roll can be different by choice too.
I’m well beyond my area of expertise here, but is it possibly the case that increasing toe-in increases actual and perceived initial bite and rate or turn?
davek_964 said:
Engine mode makes a big difference to auto behaviour. In normal, it's like most true auto cars and tries to get in as high gear as possible as often as possible. Sport is a bit more normal - and I think track basically waits until you get to the redline to change up!
I do sometimes wonder if there's something wrong with mine. Everybody else is very positive about the steering, and it's one of the things I really don't like. It seems to need sooooooo much input to turn (i.e. for the same bend, I'd have to turn the wheel at least 50% more than the 360 I had) and it makes it feel less direct.
Dave, have you ever had a full geometry set up on a hunter alignment system?I do sometimes wonder if there's something wrong with mine. Everybody else is very positive about the steering, and it's one of the things I really don't like. It seems to need sooooooo much input to turn (i.e. for the same bend, I'd have to turn the wheel at least 50% more than the 360 I had) and it makes it feel less direct.
I got mines checked out the week after i bought and it was wayyy out.
Transformed how the car went down the road and round bends.
Been back to have it checked a few times after dampers have been replaced and still pretty near bang on.
Not quite KBK, increased toe out will help with initial turn in & reduced corner entry understeer.
It's unlikely to be understeer at anything less than break neck speeds however.
I'm very surprised to hear your not enjoying the steering on your 650, I've not driven one but the steering feel & turn in of my 570 is second only to a Caterham in my experience, its fabulous & one of the stand out features of the car. Night & day compared to the dog s
te steering of my last Porsche.
It's unlikely to be understeer at anything less than break neck speeds however.
I'm very surprised to hear your not enjoying the steering on your 650, I've not driven one but the steering feel & turn in of my 570 is second only to a Caterham in my experience, its fabulous & one of the stand out features of the car. Night & day compared to the dog s
te steering of my last Porsche.dsl2 said:
I'm very surprised to hear your not enjoying the steering on your 650, I've not driven one but the steering feel & turn in of my 570 is second only to a Caterham in my experience, its fabulous & one of the stand out features of the car.
Yep - I think 99.9999999% of McLaren owners agree with you. I don't think I've had a single person share my view!dsl2 said:
Not quite KBK, increased toe out will help with initial turn in & reduced corner entry understeer.
It's unlikely to be understeer at anything less than break neck speeds however.
I'm very surprised to hear your not enjoying the steering on your 650, I've not driven one but the steering feel & turn in of my 570 is second only to a Caterham in my experience, its fabulous & one of the stand out features of the car. Night & day compared to the dog ste steering of my last Porsche.
I’m enjoying it a lot, but I think it’s fair to say that it can never quite hit the heights if an unassisted S1 Elise.It's unlikely to be understeer at anything less than break neck speeds however.
I'm very surprised to hear your not enjoying the steering on your 650, I've not driven one but the steering feel & turn in of my 570 is second only to a Caterham in my experience, its fabulous & one of the stand out features of the car. Night & day compared to the dog s
te steering of my last Porsche.As I said though, I’ve not really had a chance to drive it in the dry yet, so am only giving very early first impressions.
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m enjoying it a lot, but I think it’s fair to say that it can never quite hit the heights if an unassisted S1 Elise.
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The 675LT does. Best steering I've ever experienced. I find my Ferraris have been way too light and twitchy. Lambo Performante steering is good and 4 x 4 gives you load of confidence but not as razor sharp as the mac.
WilliamWaiver said:
The 675LT does. Best steering I've ever experienced. I find my Ferraris have been way too light and twitchy. Lambo Performante steering is good and 4 x 4 gives you load of confidence but not as razor sharp as the mac
I don’t think that that’s physically possible. The front wheels are too wide, and they are supporting too high a weight. Lightness and handling were the top criteria in the Elise’s design, the 675 has to also accommodate the performance and speed that was part of the brief, which is why it needs assisted steering.I’ll hopefully try one, and get to find out though.
Which Elise did you have?
Kent Border Kenny said:
I don’t think that that’s physically possible. The front wheels are too wide, and they are supporting too high a weight. Lightness and handling were the top criteria in the Elise’s design, the 675 has to also accommodate the performance and speed that was part of the brief, which is why it needs assisted steering.
I’ll hopefully try one, and get to find out though.
Which Elise did you have?
Just a 111R early daysI’ll hopefully try one, and get to find out though.
Which Elise did you have?
I love the precision of the 650’s steering in addition to the plentiful feedback. My last Fezza, a 355 was terrible in comparison - not only twitchy, but inconsistent.
FWIW, based on my 5 track days so far, the 650 will push at the limit - understeer is its limiting factor - though at much higher speeds than one might be used to. I trail-brake aggressively for best times. Recently added spacers to the fronts, but haven’t been back on track to really try them out.
FWIW, based on my 5 track days so far, the 650 will push at the limit - understeer is its limiting factor - though at much higher speeds than one might be used to. I trail-brake aggressively for best times. Recently added spacers to the fronts, but haven’t been back on track to really try them out.
Edited by 12pack on Friday 30th October 12:51
WilliamWaiver said:
Just a 111R early days
The 111R did not exist in the early days of the Elise.I'm starting to wonder if you're not making things up here, you certainly seem to write like someone who does.
I suppose it makes no sense to speculate at this point though, as you'll be posting a picture of yourself in your brand new 675 within the week.
I really do hope that you turn out to be being honest here, it'll be pretty sad if all of a sudden you just go quiet or come up with excuses as to why you can't.
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