12c v 650s

[macdeb]

650spider said:

Prices are a bit all over the place at the moment...it may be sensible to hold off a little to see what happens in spring.

I was sent this the other week...was almost tempted to get back into a 650 for a bit, but am trying to sticki to my own advice...

Deal of the decade if all's well.

[sjc]

Well that advert has thrown a spanner in the works of a 12c that I’ve fallen in love with !!

[Green1man]

Well it looks to be the same car as in this thread

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

So NO all isn’t well (accident repaired - Cat S)

[650spider]

Green1man said:

Well it looks to be the same car as in this thread

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

So NO all isn’t well (accident repaired - Cat S)

Apart from one being a coupe and the other being a spider, yup, it might just be the same car.

[123RY]

Green1man said:

Well it looks to be the same car as in this thread

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

So NO all isn’t well (accident repaired - Cat S)

How much time did you spend comparing the 2 cars?!

Edited by 123RY on Friday 1st January 22:15

[Jim82]

This one anything to do with the above ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114580350425

[davek_964]

Jim82 said:

This one anything to do with the above ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114580350425

Wish mine had heated windscreen. Didn't know that was an option.....

[12pack]

davek_964 said:

Wish mine had heated windscreen. Didn't know that was an option.....

Me too, but I think that refers to the heated backlight, which I do have

[Green1man]

123RY said:

How much time did you spend comparing the 2 cars?!

Edited by 123RY on Friday 1st January 22:15

Hey, it’s same colour, wheels, mileage and after all we know all Mclarens look the same!!

[Jim82]

Well I have to say after pondering long and hard, that unless a miracle car comes on the market, I will probably go 540/570. The warranty cost for me doesn’t justify the extra performance.
My dream car would absolutely be a 650s spider but it would push me too hard to get the warranty as well.

[Bispal]

Jim82 said:

Well I have to say after pondering long and hard, that unless a miracle car comes on the market, I will probably go 540/570. The warranty cost for me doesn’t justify the extra performance.
My dream car would absolutely be a 650s spider but it would push me too hard to get the warranty as well.

Are you comparing a 650S spider to a 570S coupe? like for like a 650S spider is £10k less than a 570S spider and at £1,500 pa warranty difference that pays for 7 years of warranty discrepancy. Bear in mind if bought from McLaren both will come with 12 month warranty anyway? Cheapest McApproved 570S spider = £99k. Cheapest McApproved 650S spider = £90k.....????

[davek_964]

Bispal said:

Are you comparing a 650S spider to a 570S coupe? like for like a 650S spider is £10k less than a 570S spider and at £1,500 pa warranty difference that pays for 7 years of warranty discrepancy. Bear in mind if bought from McLaren both will come with 12 month warranty anyway? Cheapest McApproved 570S spider = £99k. Cheapest McApproved 650S spider = £90k.....????

+1.

I agree that the extra performance isn't really needed - especially on the road - but that's not the only difference between 540 / 570 and 650.
Personally, I prefer the looks of the 650 inside and out - it's one of the reasons I went for that rather than 570 when I bought. But, you also get the other super series benefits - suspension, rear spoiler (air brake is still my absolute favourite thing!).

Nothing at all wrong with 540 / 570 - but given the cost of 570 spider vs 650 spider currently, I'd definitely be buying the 650.

[Jim82]

I couldn’t afford a 570 spider sadly. My concern would be renewing the warranty every year and the comparative renewal costs -please correct me if I’m wrong by isn’t there a substantial difference? So not the first year as ideally would buy one with a warranty, but the years after that.
And the air brake is absolutely my favourite as well!

[macdeb]

12c it is then

[Jim82]

Maybe I’ll just get the air brake ....

[R8Reece]

What's the deal with the older 2011 12C's coming up to being 10 years old vs warranty and corrosion warranty?

I thought I read both could not be renewed after 10 years but could be wrong?

[davek_964]

R8Reece said:

What's the deal with the older 2011 12C's coming up to being 10 years old vs warranty and corrosion warranty?

I thought I read both could not be renewed after 10 years but could be wrong?

The extended warranty can be renewed up to the car being 10 years old - and hence the car can be warrantied until the car is 12 years old. So even 2011 12Cs can be under warranty until 2023.

Corrosion warranty is a different thing though - I'd be surprised if McLaren rejected the claims given that it's a very well known issue, but who knows.

[12pack]

Jim82 said:

I couldn’t afford a 570 spider sadly. My concern would be renewing the warranty every year and the comparative renewal costs -please correct me if I’m wrong by isn’t there a substantial difference? So not the first year as ideally would buy one with a warranty, but the years after that.
And the air brake is absolutely my favourite as well!

About £1K / yr additional?

On top the suspension keeping the car planted on bumpy roads, the low end torque, the burst at the top of the revs and the active aero, then a 650 spider gives you - well, a spider! With the additional benefit of dropping the back light so YOU can enjoy the sounds.

[R8Reece]

davek_964 said:

The extended warranty can be renewed up to the car being 10 years old - and hence the car can be warrantied until the car is 12 years old. So even 2011 12Cs can be under warranty until 2023.

Corrosion warranty is a different thing though - I'd be surprised if McLaren rejected the claims given that it's a very well known issue, but who knows.

Thanks.

I understand from Thorney that the original paint supplier has been changed so if you have a panel resprayed, it won't/might not be from the original paint supplier.

So does anyone know if when a panel is repainted today, the original cause of the paint issues is rectified and will no longer occur? Or is a re-painted panel still prone to the same issue in the future?

[davek_964]

R8Reece said:

Thanks.

I understand from Thorney that the original paint supplier has been changed so if you have a panel resprayed, it won't/might not be from the original paint supplier.

So does anyone know if when a panel is repainted today, the original cause of the paint issues is rectified and will no longer occur? Or is a re-painted panel still prone to the same issue in the future?

I believe that the paint composition / supplier was changed to address the problems with fading on volcano colours, not corrosion issues.
If you take your car in for bubbling / corrosion, McLaren don't paint the panel - they replace it, and paint that. I don't know if the same problems occur on the new panels / paint.
To my knowledge, my car has never suffered from this issue. It did have a full respray courtesy of McLaren last year due to fading and looks fabulous, so I hope it's not an issue I suffer from.