Litchfield Tuned Mclaren 720s
Discussion
12pack said:
AstonExige720 said:
The analogue suspension in the 570s is not going to make it more manageable, the opposite in fact. ARB's connect the wheels along an axle and on bumpy roads can result in lack of contact along that axle. The suspension on a Super Series does away with the ARB and therefore the wheels operate independently, improving the likelihood the wheels are in contact with the road and therefore how manageable the power would be. And it is very noticeable. Take a standard car down your favourite B road then take a 650/720 etc, you will most certainly notice how much more stable the car is and how much more comfortable you are at speed.
+1davek_964 said:
Turbo cab said:
DMS will come and remove the map before you take in the car for warranty work, which obviously comes as part of the parcel of owning a McLaren lol, mines been in plenty and they were unable to detect it had the map removed.
Had my previous 570s done and they are mega fun, not much difference between a DMS 570 and a standard 720 but it seemed more manageable due to the analogue suspension, I'm not a fan of the fancy stuff in the 720.
I'd be very very surprised if McLaren can't tell that the car has had a different map loaded before. I don't imagine they'd check if you took your car in for new accumulators, or failed IRIS etc. - but if your engine or gearbox went pop I'd be really surprised if they didn't check.Had my previous 570s done and they are mega fun, not much difference between a DMS 570 and a standard 720 but it seemed more manageable due to the analogue suspension, I'm not a fan of the fancy stuff in the 720.
This was also the same on my previous 2 570's that were also mapped and in true McLaren form, also required a bundle load of warranty work.
One of them if I recall correctly actually went in with the map on but was returned standard as they flashed the ECU.
AstonExige720 said:
Turbo cab said:
Had my previous 570s done and they are mega fun, not much difference between a DMS 570 and a standard 720 but it seemed more manageable due to the analogue suspension, I'm not a fan of the fancy stuff in the 720.
The analogue suspension in the 570s is not going to make it more manageable, the opposite in fact. ARB's connect the wheels along an axle and on bumpy roads can result in lack of contact along that axle. The suspension on a Super Series does away with the ARB and therefore the wheels operate independently, improving the likelihood the wheels are in contact with the road and therefore how manageable the power would be. And it is very noticeable. Take a standard car down your favourite B road then take a 650/720 etc, you will most certainly notice how much more stable the car is and how much more comfortable you are at speed.
AstonExige720 said:
Turbo cab said:
Trust me, I've had two 720 and two 570 so I'm well versed, and as I said and maintain- to me it seems more manageable.
Must be down to tyres or the road surface at the time then. Doesn't make sense otherwise.
Turbo cab said:
The only way I can describe it without contradicting myself is that the 720s suspension is too good, to the point where i feel it doesn't give any feedback, it's like keeping the car so stable i struggle to find its limits - hopefully that makes sense
I do think maybe in your case the 720 had less than optimal tyres or perhaps the alignment was out. I was surprised just how much feedback my 720 gives, feels very Lotus like in that respect. Helped by the fact Mclaren have stuck with hydraulic steering. If mine was like how you describe your experience, I'd have sold it already. I only really enjoy cars if they are fun to drive, give you loads of feedback and reward you. I've also got an Exige and a track-prepped bike engined Westfield, so gives you an indication of what I look for in cars Turbo cab said:
The only way I can describe it without contradicting myself is that the 720s suspension is too good, to the point where i feel it doesn't give any feedback, it's like keeping the car so stable i struggle to find its limits - hopefully that makes sense
Not really, I’m afraid. And not in Sport or Track. Perhaps you were in Normal?My Atom gives me plenty of feedback, but just gets bumped off any kind of line on a rough track. OTOH the proactive suspension maximizes tyre contact giving me lots of feedback from all four corners. Don’t mistake relative suppleness over bumps as lack of feedback, it’s the other way around.
Edited by 12pack on Wednesday 20th January 12:45
12pack said:
Turbo cab said:
The only way I can describe it without contradicting myself is that the 720s suspension is too good, to the point where i feel it doesn't give any feedback, it's like keeping the car so stable i struggle to find its limits - hopefully that makes sense
Not really, I’m afraid. And not in Sport or Track. Perhaps you were in Normal?My Atom gives me plenty of feedback, but just gets bumped off any kind of line on a rough track. OTOH the proactive suspension maximizes tyre contact giving me lots of feedback from all four corners. Don’t mistake relative suppleness over bumps as lack of feedback, it’s the other way around.
Edited by 12pack on Wednesday 20th January 12:45
Above comments were all imo and that's comparing with a lot of other cars that I've now updated in the my garage section, that were also all driven as intended.
Edited by Turbo cab on Wednesday 20th January 17:46
Turbo cab said:
The only way I can describe it without contradicting myself is that the 720s suspension is too good, to the point where i feel it doesn't give any feedback, it's like keeping the car so stable i struggle to find its limits - hopefully that makes sense
Fckd accumulators do exactly that and reduce the quality as well as the ammount of feedback you get in the steering. Again, respectfully, but totally disagree. The “feel” you think you are getting without the proactive suspension is the car being bumped around. The suspension keeps fronts planted so you can really feel exactly when you are starting to lose grip.
Macho pub talk makes it sound like stupid stiffness is somehow better or “livelier”, but it’s just a lot of noise coming through that hides the real signal.
Macho pub talk makes it sound like stupid stiffness is somehow better or “livelier”, but it’s just a lot of noise coming through that hides the real signal.
Edited by 12pack on Monday 25th January 12:49
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