Purple 12c spider at TH jnr
Discussion
akadk said:
I sold my 650S on the Thursday and picked up the 12C on the Saturday.
I did 2,000 miles in the 650S in the last month
They are fundamentally the same, but the 650 is an evolution in many ways.
The 650 feels like it pushed the envelope more towards the supercar end of the spectrum- and so when pushing hard on the road, or on track, you will very much appreciate the evolution.
If the average man in the street was to jump in both and drive it for an hour they really would think they were driving the same car for the most part.
Ultimately, I don’t think it’s any kind of competition- the 650 is the ‘newer’ car, has the latest design language and is more ‘supercar’ perhaps to the general public.
The 12C to me is a little more understated and less in your face, and as someone who won’t track it, being that bit less hardcore suits me absolutely fine
The suspension set up on a 650s is stiffer springs. I believe that was to make the car feel the road more . But for UK roads having accomodating 12c springs I think is a plus point. People also comment that the 650s ride pretty much the same as a 570s. The 570s has conventional springs and dampers - the firmer springs on the 650s could explain this. I did 2,000 miles in the 650S in the last month
They are fundamentally the same, but the 650 is an evolution in many ways.
The 650 feels like it pushed the envelope more towards the supercar end of the spectrum- and so when pushing hard on the road, or on track, you will very much appreciate the evolution.
If the average man in the street was to jump in both and drive it for an hour they really would think they were driving the same car for the most part.
Ultimately, I don’t think it’s any kind of competition- the 650 is the ‘newer’ car, has the latest design language and is more ‘supercar’ perhaps to the general public.
The 12C to me is a little more understated and less in your face, and as someone who won’t track it, being that bit less hardcore suits me absolutely fine
akadk said:
That colour really works with the polished calipers and diamond cut alloys.I have to say it really suits the car and probably best 12 C I have ever seen.
Maybe because of its rarity I think it even looks better than Volcano red or volcano yellow which are also both stunning.
Nice to have something unique and seemed a steal
davek_964 said:
IMI A said:
Are you sure about this? I thought 12c and 650s same car? Better turn in for 650? Are you sure you simply didn't need to lower the front tyre pressures on 12c? Try any 911 by comparison lol!
Er - have you looked at the front of a 12C and a 650? Even apart from the lights, they're quite fundamentally differentI've seen this 12c in the flesh. Has a lot of x factor whilst it looks amazing in pics they do not do the car justice.
Paza3 said:
Hahaha not far from me, am in a village just outside Malmesbury, small world I've not seen yours about yet?
I'm planning to get that at the start of the day, and see how it pans out, hopefully see you there.
Sadly not as it’s at McBrum having 4 new accumulators and a new radiator- all under warranty….. phew.I'm planning to get that at the start of the day, and see how it pans out, hopefully see you there.
Abacus21 said:
The suspension set up on a 650s is stiffer springs. I believe that was to make the car feel the road more . But for UK roads having accomodating 12c springs I think is a plus point. People also comment that the 650s ride pretty much the same as a 570s. The 570s has conventional springs and dampers - the firmer springs on the 650s could explain this.
I'm afraid those who say that really - frankly - don't know how to drive performance cars (including those who write about them). To me the evolving super series suspension in McLaren's biggest step forward. It keeps all four corners planted while giving clear signals about what is going on at each and filters out the unnecessary noise and jitteriness that some like to call "feel" or "raw".IMI A said:
Are you sure about this? I thought 12c and 650s same car? Better turn in for 650? Are you sure you simply didn't need to lower the front tyre pressures on 12c? Try any 911 by comparison lol!
They're only the same car to those who don't really appreciate performance driving. Its not about the looks between the 12C and the 650 - its about the aero that has been added to improve the performance. I have driven them back-to-back on track. There is a huge difference in turn in, steering and road feel and mid range thrust. Even the suspension feels quite different. The stiffer springs on the 650s means in any of the 3 modes there is less float especially in Normal (the 12C does float quite a bit on rebound) while still being smooth and has much less crashiness in Track. With the stiffer springs they've kept the accumulator settings and the hydraulics less involved so its a bit more like a conventional suspension but does much better at keep all corners planted. Of course, they are closer to each other compared to a beetle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOR1Btw9ugw
Edited by 12pack on Friday 11th June 13:26
12pack said:
They're only the same car to those who don't really appreciate performance driving. Its not about the looks between the 12C and the 650 - its about the aero that has been added to improve the performance. I have driven them back-to-back on track. There is a huge difference in turn in, steering and road feel and mid range thrust. Even the suspension feels quite different. The stiffer springs on the 650s means in any of the 3 modes there is less float especially in Normal (the 12C does float quite a bit on rebound) while still being smooth and has much less crashiness in Track. With the stiffer springs they've kept the accumulator settings and the hydraulics less involved so its a bit more like a conventional suspension but does much better at keep all corners planted.
Of course, they are closer to each other compared to a beetle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOR1Btw9ugw
I would totally agree with youOf course, they are closer to each other compared to a beetle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOR1Btw9ugw
Edited by 12pack on Friday 11th June 13:26
But as per the comment above, for the U.K. road driver and for someone who won’t track the car - the 12C is perfect.
Looks superb…. One of the nicest I’ve seen.
Been following 12c and general McLaren threads for a few years now and seems that a 8yr old one has no more niggles than when they were 1-2 yr old. Maybe even less as the any factory niggles may have been sorted/ironed out over the years and the car you have now after 6-8years of use is fully sorted and pretty rock solid!
Hope this isn’t derailing the thread any.
I’m maybe being Naive/hopeful that one day I may be able to stretch to one. (Trying to persuade myself ha)
Been following 12c and general McLaren threads for a few years now and seems that a 8yr old one has no more niggles than when they were 1-2 yr old. Maybe even less as the any factory niggles may have been sorted/ironed out over the years and the car you have now after 6-8years of use is fully sorted and pretty rock solid!
Hope this isn’t derailing the thread any.
I’m maybe being Naive/hopeful that one day I may be able to stretch to one. (Trying to persuade myself ha)
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