Anyone have an outlook for old Sports Series range?

Anyone have an outlook for old Sports Series range?

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RBT0

1,450 posts

103 months

Monday 21st November
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Yep I tend to agree, P1s are the best seats for resale.

akadk

1,160 posts

163 months

Monday 21st November
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Davyt said:
And just when you thought the white 570s at McNewForest had finally sold !! It’s back !

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209139...
That looks good value with McWarranty and Seats

Any info on it? PPF? Corrosion ?

Gibbo205

3,035 posts

191 months

Monday 21st November
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Hi there

As this is an informative thread, let me warn people about these two 600 LT Spiders:

This one was tuned by JM Imports to 707HP:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208048...

It is now for sale at an official dealer with warranty. As has been mentioned about the black car on Collecting Cars should one need to make an engine or gearbox claim then Mclaren HQ will no doubt void the claim putting you in a battle with supplying dealer, so be wary.




This second car was also tuned and has had exhauust etc:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207248...

Also sold with a Mclaren warranty, but again if you need to claim, you could run into issues.


Any car your buying, especially rarer cars search social media for the car model / colour, search google for the registration plates and just do a damn good search as the 600 LT was peanuts to buy new with the silly finance deals so most people got one, never intended to keep the car and just gave it back two years later, unfortunately some did tune the cars and it is something to be wary of as a dealer may not be aware but Mclaren HQ will be able to detect if a car has had a tune on it in the past and void your warranty.

The two cars above are a lovely spec, but after I did my due diligence I was put of by the fact they had been tuned as having a warranty for me on a Mclaren is important. I think the yellow car if it gets cheaper is worth the punt, but the green car is very expensive.

RSbandit

1,979 posts

116 months

Monday 21st November
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The black car that has had issues is now back under McLaren warranty after a new engine but when it was advertised earlier in the year it definitely made no mention of it coming with a MCL warranty …it’s at £114,500 on CC with a day left .
The green car is expensive but sold by a franchised dealer with an official warranty. Is the dealer unaware of the cars history ? Don’t think I’d take that as an excuse if I bought the car in good faith and then had an issue with a claim.

Edited by RSbandit on Monday 21st November 23:00

Davyt

70 posts

2 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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akadk said:
That looks good value with McWarranty and Seats

Any info on it? PPF? Corrosion ?
Been up for sale ages, disappears off AT and off here but returns a few weeks later, done it a few times now,

Davyt

70 posts

2 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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Gibbo205 said:
Hi there

As this is an informative thread, let me warn people about these two 600 LT Spiders:

This one was tuned by JM Imports to 707HP:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208048...

It is now for sale at an official dealer with warranty. As has been mentioned about the black car on Collecting Cars should one need to make an engine or gearbox claim then Mclaren HQ will no doubt void the claim putting you in a battle with supplying dealer, so be wary.




This second car was also tuned and has had exhauust etc:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207248...

Also sold with a Mclaren warranty, but again if you need to claim, you could run into issues.


Any car your buying, especially rarer cars search social media for the car model / colour, search google for the registration plates and just do a damn good search as the 600 LT was peanuts to buy new with the silly finance deals so most people got one, never intended to keep the car and just gave it back two years later, unfortunately some did tune the cars and it is something to be wary of as a dealer may not be aware but Mclaren HQ will be able to detect if a car has had a tune on it in the past and void your warranty.

The two cars above are a lovely spec, but after I did my due diligence I was put of by the fact they had been tuned as having a warranty for me on a Mclaren is important. I think the yellow car if it gets cheaper is worth the punt, but the green car is very expensive.
Great advise here chaps, need more of this so prospective buyers don’t walk straight in to buying a lemon so to speak, with even Main dealers selling cars with shaded histories ( see 675 thread) buyers need all the info/assistance they can get.

Gibbo205

3,035 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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RSbandit said:
The black car that has had issues is now back under McLaren warranty after a new engine but when it was advertised earlier in the year it definitely made no mention of it coming with a MCL warranty …it’s at £114,500 on CC with a day left .
The green car is expensive but sold by a franchised dealer with an official warranty. Is the dealer unaware of the cars history ? Don’t think I’d take that as an excuse if I bought the car in good faith and then had an issue with a claim.

Edited by RSbandit on Monday 21st November 23:00
I was in discussions with the dealer, they denied it so I sent them the evidence I had collected at which point they never responded again.

These cars are all fair game if priced right, but I cannot be alone here in thinking I'd never want to drop 100k plus on a fairly new supercar that has been tampered with in the past, even if its stock now how much additional wear and tear has been placed on the engine, turbos and gearbox, plus should it fail and I need to claim their is a chance Mclaren UK will void the warranty making the dealer liable to pay out and they could then try and fight the claim and results in a court battle, even if you win its a whole load of stress nobody wants.

The yellow car is more a risk as its not a Mclaren dealer selling, so I guess your fall back would be to that dealer or to the Mclaren dealer who put the warranty on the car.

At the right price they are good cars and the yellow one is fairly priced, also tuning does not mean they are going to explode as these engines can handle the power but its just peace of mind really and we all know the 600 LT has had some reliability issues namely the gearbox due to the more strategy from factory so last thing you want is a claim voided due to past history you were unaware of.

I also think people seem to forget if you buy a car on finance it is NOT yours, so why the hell are you tuning it?

RSbandit

1,979 posts

116 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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I’ve always wondered why anyone would feel the need to tune a McLaren that’s already seriously quick out of the box. Seems poor form from that dealer given there’s another thread on here regarding a 675LT from same place.

PinkHouse

21 posts

41 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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Found this on another thread and seems to be the cheapest 570GT at £78,500 from a dealer although it's an early high-mileage example
https://www.sytner.co.uk/vehicle-details/aa4b0afe-...

I test drove one I really liked last weekend but wondering if buying one now is a losing value proposition as dealers would likely be giving very lowball offers for these cars and I'd be surprised if they're much more than £70k. Would a 570 Spider at around £105k be a better buy than a £90k 570GT?

RSbandit

1,979 posts

116 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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RSbandit said:
The black car that has had issues is now back under McLaren warranty after a new engine but when it was advertised earlier in the year it definitely made no mention of it coming with a MCL warranty …it’s at £114,500 on CC with a day left .
The green car is expensive but sold by a franchised dealer with an official warranty. Is the dealer unaware of the cars history ? Don’t think I’d take that as an excuse if I bought the car in good faith and then had an issue with a claim.

Edited by RSbandit on Monday 21st November 23:00
Looks like the black 600LT Spider on CC sold for £115k plus fees so approx £121k all in …quite a way under anything else on the market, higher than avg miles of course and the wrong seats but still.

fridaypassion

6,774 posts

212 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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PH are working hard to suppress that 675 thing I have just had a reply deleted referencing it and the thread has gone.

Davyt

70 posts

2 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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Yes,, wrong seats, high miles and a shaded history £121K not that a bad price when you consider all of these negatives, don’t forget peppered front end and what looks like a right mess/corrosion behind front driver's side wheel ..

fridaypassion

6,774 posts

212 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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If they replaced the Engine surely it should be able to go back on warranty?

McLaren are very strange for sure I was chatting to someone just today about the farce I had buying my car!

Davyt

70 posts

2 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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fridaypassion said:
PH are working hard to suppress that 675 thing I have just had a reply deleted referencing it and the thread has gone.
Why on earth would anyone do this, yet alone the supporting site ???

RSbandit

1,979 posts

116 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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It was back under McL warranty once it had the engine replaced but that cant be transferred if sold at auction? McLaren are ridiculous with their stipulations on when, and how a warranty can be transferred tbh. Someone has done their absolute bks on that car though it was listed at £150k earlier this year at a Porsche indie dealer and at least one other dealer thereafter.

samoht

4,017 posts

130 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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PinkHouse said:
Found this on another thread and seems to be the cheapest 570GT at £78,500 from a dealer although it's an early high-mileage example
https://www.sytner.co.uk/vehicle-details/aa4b0afe-...

I test drove one I really liked last weekend but wondering if buying one now is a losing value proposition as dealers would likely be giving very lowball offers for these cars and I'd be surprised if they're much more than £70k. Would a 570 Spider at around £105k be a better buy than a £90k 570GT?
As per the other thread, I'd want to find out why the car isn't being sold as an official McLaren approved car.
Spec of that one isn't bad but it lacks the carbon interior trim, which is one I think a lot of people want (and a lot of cars have), which could make it a tad harder to re-sell perhaps, unsure how it'd affect a dealer bid. But may be less of a must-have on the GT.
The pre-2018 GTs don't get the ceramic brakes, which may be a positive or a negative for you.
Check carefully for panel corrosion.

It's hard to predict the future especially at present, but I think buying these cars we have to be aware of a significant potential financial downside over the next 1-2 years (A car offered for £90k might be down to £70k in two years, as a wild guess?). I think people were talking about a £15-20k spread between buy and sell from the dealers on another thread, if that helps consider what a current dealer bid might be. A Spider would benefit from seasonality, but otherwise it's a newer and more valuable car so has more to lose. Probably a wash?

Personally I'm hoping that when I buy a 570 I can hold onto it for a good few years, and thus worry less about values in the short term. If I was looking for a car to enjoy and sell in 18 months without losing too much money... I'd probably look for a Ferrari tbh.

fridaypassion

6,774 posts

212 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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RSbandit said:
It was back under McL warranty once it had the engine replaced but that cant be transferred if sold at auction? McLaren are ridiculous with their stipulations on when, and how a warranty can be transferred tbh. Someone has done their absolute bks on that car though it was listed at £150k earlier this year at a Porsche indie dealer and at least one other dealer thereafter.
Yeah its silly really. The problem with the Mac warranty is that it is basically just s third party warranty although I guess McLaren will have some sway with Car Care Plan who provide it. But ducking out of the warranty just due to the method of transfer of ownership is cheap to me. In fairness Porsche do the same but its not good really. If a policy has been purchased and they want to cancel it you should be able to get a pro rata refund if they are adamant they won't let it transfer. Its all stuff that contributes towards McLaren's image of being a crazy/stupid ownership proposition.

PinkHouse

21 posts

41 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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samoht said:
As per the other thread, I'd want to find out why the car isn't being sold as an official McLaren approved car.
Spec of that one isn't bad but it lacks the carbon interior trim, which is one I think a lot of people want (and a lot of cars have), which could make it a tad harder to re-sell perhaps, unsure how it'd affect a dealer bid. But may be less of a must-have on the GT.
The pre-2018 GTs don't get the ceramic brakes, which may be a positive or a negative for you.
Check carefully for panel corrosion.

It's hard to predict the future especially at present, but I think buying these cars we have to be aware of a significant potential financial downside over the next 1-2 years (A car offered for £90k might be down to £70k in two years, as a wild guess?). I think people were talking about a £15-20k spread between buy and sell from the dealers on another thread, if that helps consider what a current dealer bid might be. A Spider would benefit from seasonality, but otherwise it's a newer and more valuable car so has more to lose. Probably a wash?

Personally I'm hoping that when I buy a 570 I can hold onto it for a good few years, and thus worry less about values in the short term. If I was looking for a car to enjoy and sell in 18 months without losing too much money... I'd probably look for a Ferrari tbh.
I'd also assume the mileage might be a bit too high for their approved programme so selling it through Syther Select might have been more profitable than auctioning it?

I had my Exige 410 for 3 years so I'm looking for something longer term. More than likely going to end up in an AMG GTR as it seems the best all rounder for circa £100k that's still driver focused but also really drawn towards 991.1 GT3s. I'd love a Ferrari but a good 458/488 is well above my budget!

samoht

4,017 posts

130 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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PinkHouse said:
I'd also assume the mileage might be a bit too high for their approved programme so selling it through Syther Select might have been more profitable than auctioning it?
This Spider is approved on 26,351 miles, so unless there's a really strange cut-off at 27k miles or something, then it seems unlikely to me that it's a hard mileage limit. More likely that the combination of age and mileage means the condition of the car makes it not quite worth the money to bring up to 'approved' condition, I'd guess.
When I spoke to the salesman at McLaren Hatfield he basically said that about 650s, given the age it would be v unlikely to find one that would be good condition and original enough to be worth them reselling (and the last 650s were sold in 2016 I think).

PinkHouse said:
I had my Exige 410 for 3 years so I'm looking for something longer term. More than likely going to end up in an AMG GTR as it seems the best all rounder for circa £100k that's still driver focused but also really drawn towards 991.1 GT3s. I'd love a Ferrari but a good 458/488 is well above my budget!
Yeah, the halo around the 458 means there's a big hole in the prices between 430s and the later cars.

Davyt

70 posts

2 months

Tuesday 22nd November
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RSbandit said:
Looks like the black 600LT Spider on CC sold for £115k plus fees so approx £121k all in …quite a way under anything else on the market, higher than avg miles of course and the wrong seats but still.
Just looked and WBAC valuation at £116K ! Yes they’ll knock money off for just about anything out of the ordinary but still a firm ( ish) offer, forget CC fees as the seller doesn’t benefit from these even though at £6K is hard to swallow ( ouch),, seller accepted £115K for the car so even with all its faults was a cheap buy, just need to see similar cars with 10K less miles up for £125K now which based on these figures should be achievable ,, ( ps.. send me your details in new year when you want to sell, lol )