Tavarish P1 rebuild
Discussion
ChocolateFrog said:
Deleting it makes perfect sense though. Once originality is toast then 11 year old hybrid kit doesn't add much except weight.
It is no longer a P1 to me. It’s like gas monkey screwing up an F40 it ruins it and massively devalues it not that that was the reason it guess. I've lost interest as well, there's no reason why he couldn't have upgraded the engine; and asked V-engineering to assist with their battery management tech, it's for me clearly not an either or situation, it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
The car is now a 720 in a pretty dress..
The car is now a 720 in a pretty dress..
Yes, from a renovation process that many watched its now a monster build. I think it will be a giant rocket that probably will make 400km/h.
But Tavarish is not embracing McLaren technology here.. The build will not get many followers.
A P1 owner probably want to keep the car stock.
If MTC would do a petrol only revision of the P1 it could bringa a lot of interest.
But Tavarish is not MTC.
But Tavarish is not embracing McLaren technology here.. The build will not get many followers.
A P1 owner probably want to keep the car stock.
If MTC would do a petrol only revision of the P1 it could bringa a lot of interest.
But Tavarish is not MTC.
I'm a little on the fence
I agree with ditching the hybrid and going for something uniquely ICE-powered. That's cool
But there seems to be a lot of non-P1 parts being used including, critically for me, the engine.
It's a little like buying a flood-damaged LaFerrari and putting an engine from an 812 in it. Yes, it's still a Ferrari V12, but it's not the same.
But it's his car and he'll get a shedload of content from it, so fair play to him.
I agree with ditching the hybrid and going for something uniquely ICE-powered. That's cool
But there seems to be a lot of non-P1 parts being used including, critically for me, the engine.
It's a little like buying a flood-damaged LaFerrari and putting an engine from an 812 in it. Yes, it's still a Ferrari V12, but it's not the same.
But it's his car and he'll get a shedload of content from it, so fair play to him.
Aren't people missing the point here?
He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Viewed through that lense, as long as he's not dropping in a Ferrari engine etc then I think it's a pretty compelling story. He does need to speed up progress though. Mat Armstrong has demonstrated that fast turnaround is the key to success in the new streaming era.
He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Viewed through that lense, as long as he's not dropping in a Ferrari engine etc then I think it's a pretty compelling story. He does need to speed up progress though. Mat Armstrong has demonstrated that fast turnaround is the key to success in the new streaming era.
Grey_Area said:
youngsyr said:
Aren't people missing the point here?
He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Are you inferring that it wouldn't be possible to do this as a hybrid? He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Power, CoD, frontal area, essentially equates to top speed.
FYI, an inference can only be made by the recipient of the information. I can infer from your use of language that you wish to seem more educated than you actually are. As the author of the information, only you can imply that there is a message not explicitly stated by the information.
Regardless, it winds me up.
Anyway, no I wasn't implying that a hybrid system wouldn't allow the car to be the fastest Mclaren ever built, I was implying that the powertrain is irrelevant, so long as it's Mclaren based.
youngsyr said:
Grey_Area said:
youngsyr said:
Aren't people missing the point here?
He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Are you inferring that it wouldn't be possible to do this as a hybrid? He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Power, CoD, frontal area, essentially equates to top speed.
FYI, an inference can only be made by the recipient of the information. I can infer from your use of language that you wish to seem more educated than you actually are. As the author of the information, only you can imply that there is a message not explicitly stated by the information.
Regardless, it winds me up.
Anyway, no I wasn't implying that a hybrid system wouldn't allow the car to be the fastest Mclaren ever built, I was implying that the powertrain is irrelevant, so long as it's Mclaren based.
The thing that grates slightly about the Tavarish, Matt A vids is that they seem to be devaluing the idea of expertise from training and experience.
I would not want to own a car that has been repaired by someone who hasn't been through some kind of engineering training to understand how any why certain repairs have to be carried out to a manufacturer approved procedure. To be able to weld metal and retain the structural integrity and ensure a reasonable fatigue life is not just a case of 'having a go'. Likewise repairs to all the other things, engines, suspension, brakes etc they often just lash back together.
But I guess that's true of many repaired vehicles back on the road, we just don't see the process on YT. And I enjoy their video's, which take a lot of effort to put together so good luck to them. (But keep your cars to yourselves?).
At least they post up when it goes pear shaped as well, the latest RS6 one from MA is very entertaining.
robj4 said:
I would not want to own a car that has been repaired by someone who hasn't been through some kind of engineering training to understand how any why certain repairs have to be carried out to a manufacturer approved procedure. To be able to weld metal and retain the structural integrity and ensure a reasonable fatigue life is not just a case of 'having a go'. Likewise repairs to all the other things, engines, suspension, brakes etc they often just lash back together.
There's surprisingly little welding involved itseems! Lots of bonding and rivetting... That said, MA does address the issue, somewhat, when he gets his car's inspected at the end by the manufacturer/a main dealer. However, I can't help but agree with your sentiment, some of the 'fixes' look questionable. But to play devil's advocate, I'm sure many garages do too, but they just don't stick the whole process on YT 
That's pretty much what I said, it's just a bit disappointing that there is seemingly kudos attributed nowadays to being a bit of a have a go hero rather than putting in the time and effort to be trained over a number of years.
But I'll be 60 this year (hopefully), so it's only right that I am out of step with the yoof
But I'll be 60 this year (hopefully), so it's only right that I am out of step with the yoof
MclaesLaren said:
Yes, from a renovation process that many watched its now a monster build. I think it will be a giant rocket that probably will make 400km/h.
But Tavarish is not embracing McLaren technology here.. The build will not get many followers.
A P1 owner probably want to keep the car stock.
If MTC would do a petrol only revision of the P1 it could bringa a lot of interest.
But Tavarish is not MTC.
The videos have regularly been in the top 10 trending, I don't have the figures but several of his have been at the top. He has (currently) 370k views on his SECOND channel with a 15 min vid 15hrs after posting. The main vids are well into the millions for every single one. For a hypercar that 99% of us will never own that's huge numbers and the reason it's so popular is exactly because he's doing something different. The market interested in seeing something truly one off is much higher than watching him just rebuild a P1 that's been flooded to factory spec. But Tavarish is not embracing McLaren technology here.. The build will not get many followers.
A P1 owner probably want to keep the car stock.
If MTC would do a petrol only revision of the P1 it could bringa a lot of interest.
But Tavarish is not MTC.
Oh and he is a P1 owner. He doesn't want to keep it stock. It's his car and he can do what he wants. I get you're point that MOST P1 owners will keep their car stock, but MOST P1 owners might not even drive them. And ALL P1 owners are going to need to replace the battery packs at some stage, maybe some will ditch it? It doesn't need to be McLaren doing conversions, Tavarish has shown you can work on these cars independently to a higher standard the McL.
youngsyr said:
Grey_Area said:
youngsyr said:
Aren't people missing the point here?
He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Are you inferring that it wouldn't be possible to do this as a hybrid? He's building it to be the fastest McClaren ever made, not a restoration of a P1.
Power, CoD, frontal area, essentially equates to top speed.
FYI, an inference can only be made by the recipient of the information. I can infer from your use of language that you wish to seem more educated than you actually are. As the author of the information, only you can imply that there is a message not explicitly stated by the
I apologise that my post wound you up.
cutting42 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Deleting it makes perfect sense though. Once originality is toast then 11 year old hybrid kit doesn't add much except weight.
It is no longer a P1 to me. It’s like gas monkey screwing up an F40 it ruins it and massively devalues it not that that was the reason it guess. Secondly, it was massively devalued when it floated off out of the garage and down the street watched by millions of people all over the world, nothing he is doing to it now is devaluing it from the wreck that it was.
No one would have bought this car and restored it back to original, financially unviable, so it would have been broken up.
On that basis I fail to understand the detractors argument what so ever, he is bringing it back to life was a new incarnation, that hybrid tech was old hat anyway not long after it appeared, and was simply a product of its time.
Very clever of Mclaren to dress the P1 up as a brand new type when in fact it was a fancy 12c as now shown in the breakdown of the parts used in the Tavarish rebuild series, no one else seems to have exposed such to date.
He is learning as well from the mistakes made in his 675 rebuild, as are many of us, so I thank him for the warts and all honesty.
On that basis I fail to understand the detractors argument what so ever, he is bringing it back to life was a new incarnation, that hybrid tech was old hat anyway not long after it appeared, and was simply a product of its time.
Very clever of Mclaren to dress the P1 up as a brand new type when in fact it was a fancy 12c as now shown in the breakdown of the parts used in the Tavarish rebuild series, no one else seems to have exposed such to date.
He is learning as well from the mistakes made in his 675 rebuild, as are many of us, so I thank him for the warts and all honesty.
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