Is the Mclaren 600 LT Spider the most desirable sub 200k?
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Was in no way a criticism Gibbo, you said and one can see, that you were leaving plenty for yourself and the car but it did appear quick vs the cars around you which is why it poked my curiosity, also your comment on 911 GT3RSs as I’m about 1/2 sec a lap off them in my car.
Those AR1 are pretty good to, certainly offer more grip than cup2s so I’d wager you’d certainly be able to show an RS a clean pair of heals once on it
Good to see it in action anyway, even better you drove it home
Those AR1 are pretty good to, certainly offer more grip than cup2s so I’d wager you’d certainly be able to show an RS a clean pair of heals once on it
Good to see it in action anyway, even better you drove it home
Kerniki said:
Was in no way a criticism Gibbo, you said and one can see, that you were leaving plenty for yourself and the car but it did appear quick vs the cars around you which is why it poked my curiosity, also your comment on 911 GT3RSs as I’m about 1/2 sec a lap off them in my car.
Those AR1 are pretty good to, certainly offer more grip than cup2s so I’d wager you’d certainly be able to show an RS a clean pair of heals once on it
Good to see it in action anyway, even better you drove it home
Think as others have said the car is not been driven in a fashion to try and set a lap time, first of all too much traffic and secondly I’m not taking any risk and been gentle with the car. It’s far from conditions for lap data.Those AR1 are pretty good to, certainly offer more grip than cup2s so I’d wager you’d certainly be able to show an RS a clean pair of heals once on it
Good to see it in action anyway, even better you drove it home
Empty track, professional race driver or just someone very good and not holding back and the car with a track alignment I’m sure based on the 1:33 a 991.2 GT3 RS has done in hands of RMA Leyton would see the 600 LT doing around 1:35 or there abouts so yeah it’s probably got close to 10s on the table should the stars align for perfect lap with a pro.
Thing is though who cares, me and my buddy were absolutely buzzing all day the car is that good and then a lovely roof down drive home achieving 30+ mpg in comfort, for me that is what makes the car so great it’s beautiful and comfortable to drive on road but also a menace on the track and was flying compared to everything else there on the day.
Surprised you are using such a beauty on the track.
You can always spot a used car that's been tracked and made even easier when it's posted on you tube.
Like u say I rather track someone else's cars thanks very much.
I even hire supercars on organised euro hooks.
Ok it probably costs double but zero stress knowing it's not your own P & J at risk
You can always spot a used car that's been tracked and made even easier when it's posted on you tube.
Like u say I rather track someone else's cars thanks very much.
I even hire supercars on organised euro hooks.
Ok it probably costs double but zero stress knowing it's not your own P & J at risk
Youve said that before Rambo, all LT models have been designed with the track in mind, the question isnt, why are you using it on track, the question is, why arent you using it on track.
Too many garage queens/show ponies on here where the owners just want to nonce on about how good their "lt's" are and theve been designed to be the ultimate Mclaren, yet the closest they have been to being used is properly is some exuberant tales down the pub after a couple of g&t's too many.
Too many garage queens/show ponies on here where the owners just want to nonce on about how good their "lt's" are and theve been designed to be the ultimate Mclaren, yet the closest they have been to being used is properly is some exuberant tales down the pub after a couple of g&t's too many.
Streetbeat said:
Youve said that before Rambo, all LT models have been designed with the track in mind, the question isnt, why are you using it on track, the question is, why arent you using it on track.
Too many garage queens/show ponies on here where the owners just want to nonce on about how good their "lt's" are and theve been designed to be the ultimate Mclaren, yet the closest they have been to being used is properly is some exuberant tales down the pub after a couple of g&t's too many.
Well said!Too many garage queens/show ponies on here where the owners just want to nonce on about how good their "lt's" are and theve been designed to be the ultimate Mclaren, yet the closest they have been to being used is properly is some exuberant tales down the pub after a couple of g&t's too many.
Nuttbelle said:
Surprised you are using such a beauty on the track.
You can always spot a used car that's been tracked and made even easier when it's posted on you tube.
Like u say I rather track someone else's cars thanks very much.
I even hire supercars on organised euro hooks.
Ok it probably costs double but zero stress knowing it's not your own P & J at risk
The only way to safely explore what these cars are capable of is to track them from time to time...and then you hire other cars to do Euro trips...lol!! What do you actually use yours for? Staring at it in the garage and posing down your local high street? You can always spot a used car that's been tracked and made even easier when it's posted on you tube.
Like u say I rather track someone else's cars thanks very much.
I even hire supercars on organised euro hooks.
Ok it probably costs double but zero stress knowing it's not your own P & J at risk
Yes the cars are designed with track in mind but no matter how careful you are on track it's far harsher to the car than the equivalent road miles.
I've walked away from several used cars that were all the money but clearly effected by track use.
One white 430 Scuderia I looked at at HR Owen had 11,000 miles on it and yet the car needed £20k of recon work.
Ok £7k of that was a peppered windscreen but even so the dealer should not have been trying to retail it in that state
I've walked away from several used cars that were all the money but clearly effected by track use.
One white 430 Scuderia I looked at at HR Owen had 11,000 miles on it and yet the car needed £20k of recon work.
Ok £7k of that was a peppered windscreen but even so the dealer should not have been trying to retail it in that state
Nuttbelle said:
Yes the cars are designed with track in mind but no matter how careful you are on track it's far harsher to the car than the equivalent road miles.
I've walked away from several used cars that were all the money but clearly effected by track use.
One white 430 Scuderia I looked at at HR Owen had 11,000 miles on it and yet the car needed £20k of recon work.
Ok £7k of that was a peppered windscreen but even so the dealer should not have been trying to retail it in that state
If the cars are so fragile they cannot do some fun track days the cars are not fit for purpose.I've walked away from several used cars that were all the money but clearly effected by track use.
One white 430 Scuderia I looked at at HR Owen had 11,000 miles on it and yet the car needed £20k of recon work.
Ok £7k of that was a peppered windscreen but even so the dealer should not have been trying to retail it in that state
Recon work can come from any driving not just on track the biggest wear on track is to brakes and tyres, of which are just consumables.
State of UK roads these days puts far more wear on suspension components than a short stint on a glass smooth race track.
Stone chips and peppered windscreens can easy come from someone who tailgates on the road. Someone ragging a road car from cold causes more damage. Equally a car that is a garage queen are generally also the cars that have all the issues.
With such cars it’s a crying shame to not use them as intended in which case might as well just buy a BMW i3 instead.
Consumables wear out and road chips happen, just life but I enjoy my cars.
I always try to buy cars that have been used, I avoid garage queens.
Streetbeat said:
Youve said that before Rambo, all LT models have been designed with the track in mind, the question isnt, why are you using it on track, the question is, why arent you using it on track.
Too many garage queens/show ponies on here where the owners just want to nonce on about how good their "lt's" are and theve been designed to be the ultimate Mclaren, yet the closest they have been to being used is properly is some exuberant tales down the pub after a couple of g&t's too many.
SB, you have posted similar goading or belittling posts about LT's and their owners.Too many garage queens/show ponies on here where the owners just want to nonce on about how good their "lt's" are and theve been designed to be the ultimate Mclaren, yet the closest they have been to being used is properly is some exuberant tales down the pub after a couple of g&t's too many.
Owners buy cars for their own reasons, not to satisfy others on a random forum.
Whether its bought to sit and look at in a garage, use as a alternative daily for going to work, jaunts or picking up a takeaway like myself, or for weekend or track use, it's a bit bizarre to be all judgemental and post stuff like above.
When I bought mines, I wanted a one owner car that hadn't been tracked; as it turns out there was a coupe for sale in the same colour and same year as mine that was well known and had plenty track time at the place I bought mines.
The difference in overall condition was extremely noticeable, and it had many viewings and no takers.
It certainly wasn't where I would have been putting the £250k asking if I was looking for a coupe, and if it was yourself, you might just also feel the same way.
The only times I am on the track are when i am invited on either Porsche experience days or the similar mclaren ones when you can cook someone else's pads and discs and shrug your shoulders if something goes wrong.
Everyone's different though.
Looks like Gibbo had a great day out.
Wheelspinning said:
SB, you have posted similar goading or belittling posts about LT's and their owners.
Owners buy cars for their own reasons, not to satisfy others on a random forum.
Whether its bought to sit and look at in a garage, use as a alternative daily for going to work, jaunts or picking up a takeaway like myself, or for weekend or track use, it's a bit bizarre to be all judgemental and post stuff like above.
When I bought mines, I wanted a one owner car that hadn't been tracked; as it turns out there was a coupe for sale in the same colour and same year as mine that was well known and had plenty track time at the place I bought mines.
The difference in overall condition was extremely noticeable, and it had many viewings and no takers.
It certainly wasn't where I would have been putting the £250k asking if I was looking for a coupe, and if it was yourself, you might just also feel the same way.
The only times I am on the track are when i am invited on either Porsche experience days or the similar mclaren ones when you can cook someone else's pads and discs and shrug your shoulders if something goes wrong.
Everyone's different though.
Looks like Gibbo had a great day out.
You, Rambo (or whatever he is calling himself these days) and anyone else can buy their lt's for whatever reasons they want, i frankly couldnt care, but i frankly find it a bit bizarre and judgemental as you say to criticize Gibbo for using his on track and then to preach about the harshness of track driving, which quite frankly is utter nonsense. Sure your brakes, pads and tyres will get more of a work out, but nothing they werent designed for (within reason), s same goes for the engine and box, but its up to it. Its such a flawed argument anyway over using a car on the lovely british roads that are full of potholes, bumps and hgv's flicking detritus all over the car. Ive had more battle cars from a Sunday morning hoon with my mates than ever being on track.Owners buy cars for their own reasons, not to satisfy others on a random forum.
Whether its bought to sit and look at in a garage, use as a alternative daily for going to work, jaunts or picking up a takeaway like myself, or for weekend or track use, it's a bit bizarre to be all judgemental and post stuff like above.
When I bought mines, I wanted a one owner car that hadn't been tracked; as it turns out there was a coupe for sale in the same colour and same year as mine that was well known and had plenty track time at the place I bought mines.
The difference in overall condition was extremely noticeable, and it had many viewings and no takers.
It certainly wasn't where I would have been putting the £250k asking if I was looking for a coupe, and if it was yourself, you might just also feel the same way.
The only times I am on the track are when i am invited on either Porsche experience days or the similar mclaren ones when you can cook someone else's pads and discs and shrug your shoulders if something goes wrong.
Everyone's different though.
Looks like Gibbo had a great day out.
Then theres the trying to provoke Gibbo into a response to the MSO comments, the blokes a bell end mate and the forum was much better off without him and his stupid mutterings again about LT ownership.
Equally I wouldnt buy a garage queen.
Whilst it's a bit of a pain rotating cars I try to put a couple of thousands miles per annum on all 4 of my cars.
They are never left unused for months even over winter.
When they are not in use they are on trickle chargers and always ready to go.
For me buying a 3,000 mile per annum car owned by an enthusiast like myself who is OCD and where money is no object when keeping it like new is the used car heaven.
All of my cars are faultless and always sell on 1st viewing as people are blown away with the condition
Whilst it's a bit of a pain rotating cars I try to put a couple of thousands miles per annum on all 4 of my cars.
They are never left unused for months even over winter.
When they are not in use they are on trickle chargers and always ready to go.
For me buying a 3,000 mile per annum car owned by an enthusiast like myself who is OCD and where money is no object when keeping it like new is the used car heaven.
All of my cars are faultless and always sell on 1st viewing as people are blown away with the condition
Pflanzgarten said:
All things being equal (condition etc) I almost think a 570 Spider is the pick of the bunch at £ for lb.
I’m sure the LT is even more in all aspects but it’s 50% more £ for the same chassis, engine and gearbox.
The way of the world and E46 M3 CSL was same chassis engine and gearbox and look at the premium they commanded and today even more so. But every penny justified IMHO coming from someone who has owned both an E46 M3 and M3 CSL.I’m sure the LT is even more in all aspects but it’s 50% more £ for the same chassis, engine and gearbox.
600 LT is same ethos and for me having driven a 570S the 600 is worth every penny extra to me.
Nuttbelle said:
Equally I wouldnt buy a garage queen.
Whilst it's a bit of a pain rotating cars I try to put a couple of thousands miles per annum on all 4 of my cars.
They are never left unused for months even over winter.
When they are not in use they are on trickle chargers and always ready to go.
For me buying a 3,000 mile per annum car owned by an enthusiast like myself who is OCD and where money is no object when keeping it like new is the used car heaven.
All of my cars are faultless and always sell on 1st viewing as people are blown away with the condition
Cool story bro! Whilst it's a bit of a pain rotating cars I try to put a couple of thousands miles per annum on all 4 of my cars.
They are never left unused for months even over winter.
When they are not in use they are on trickle chargers and always ready to go.
For me buying a 3,000 mile per annum car owned by an enthusiast like myself who is OCD and where money is no object when keeping it like new is the used car heaven.
All of my cars are faultless and always sell on 1st viewing as people are blown away with the condition
Gibbo205 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
All things being equal (condition etc) I almost think a 570 Spider is the pick of the bunch at £ for lb.
I’m sure the LT is even more in all aspects but it’s 50% more £ for the same chassis, engine and gearbox.
The way of the world and E46 M3 CSL was same chassis engine and gearbox and look at the premium they commanded and today even more so. But every penny justified IMHO coming from someone who has owned both an E46 M3 and M3 CSL.I’m sure the LT is even more in all aspects but it’s 50% more £ for the same chassis, engine and gearbox.
600 LT is same ethos and for me having driven a 570S the 600 is worth every penny extra to me.
430 Scuderia was twice the price of my F430.
675LT was twice the price of my 650S
Seems to be the Financial equation for the lightweight limited edition cars.
Both cars are a massive step up on the standard car they are based on but defo not twice as good.
It's definitely the law of diminsting returns.
Can see why most people would struggle to justify it but for me they are worth every penny
675LT was twice the price of my 650S
Seems to be the Financial equation for the lightweight limited edition cars.
Both cars are a massive step up on the standard car they are based on but defo not twice as good.
It's definitely the law of diminsting returns.
Can see why most people would struggle to justify it but for me they are worth every penny
Nuttbelle said:
430 Scuderia was twice the price of my F430.
675LT was twice the price of my 650S
Seems to be the Financial equation for the lightweight limited edition cars.
Both cars are a massive step up on the standard car they are based on but defo not twice as good.
It's definitely the law of diminsting returns.
Can see why most people would struggle to justify it but for me they are worth every penny
Worth every penny to never do anything remotely interesting with them?!675LT was twice the price of my 650S
Seems to be the Financial equation for the lightweight limited edition cars.
Both cars are a massive step up on the standard car they are based on but defo not twice as good.
It's definitely the law of diminsting returns.
Can see why most people would struggle to justify it but for me they are worth every penny
I've just taken delivery of a 570S spyder having recently sold a 675LT spyder and have previously owned a 12C for 5 years and I can say it`s absolutely superb. I was of a mind to buy a 600LT but I think there is only 1 for sale at present and there are a few issues to consider when running a lightweight car such as cracking windscreens and expensive carbon bits to get damaged etc, so I went for the 570S. I might still move to a 600LT one day after a test drive but I have to say the three cars I`ve owned are very similar in most ways (not surprising really) and sure at 10/10th`s the LT is sharper and no doubt around round round Silverstone or an autobahn it will draw away but in the real world, no chance. I`ve just spent the weekend driving around some rural roads and it is every bit as much fun as the 675, maybe not quite as loud with the pops and bangs but actually I prefer it as it`s not quite as antisocial (in our ever encroaching nanny state world) but still sounds fantastic (it`s got the factory sports exhaust which is a good option). It is also more practical with plenty of cubby holes etc so I`m really pleased with it... all it lacks is the todger waving credentials but I don`t care about that sort of thing... it`s fun fun fun without any of the stress. Maybe the only criticism is the fuel tank doesn't seem to be that big so the range on a tank is a bit limited but hey I've I done several EU road trips in V6 Exiges so it`s not really an issue.
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