600LT with clubsport pro, £125k...

[akadk]

New from the dealer prob £10k+

Seems to be a few sets on eBay for half that.

[andymc]

akadk said:

Those discs are fooooked!!!

Same happened to my friends F-TYPE which are same CCM discs. He still daily drove the car for a few years with them like this, they still work - but eventually they disintegrated, literally mounds of carbon would appear in the wheel rim when just stationary.

You certainly wouldn’t want to be using them enthusiastically for much more once they’ve reach that state


!

why the fk would you photograph something that instantly kills the advert?

[macdeb]

Sukh13 said:

Heaven forbid a car is used as intended on a track!

I think that really depends if the owner driving on track has any mechanical sympathy and understanding really. Some haven't a clue and/or don't care as they will move the car on for others to sort.

[GhostWKD]

macdeb said:

Sukh13 said:

Heaven forbid a car is used as intended on a track!

I think that really depends if the owner driving on track has any mechanical sympathy and understanding really. Some haven't a clue and/or don't care as they will move the car on for others to sort.

Don't quote me on this but I believe wear on the discs like this is caused by constant hotlaps without cooldown laps inbetween. As macdeb said, there is a difference between using a car as intended on track and doing so without any mechanical sympathy

Those front discs are definitely done for though, my 30k mile 650S discs are brand new by comparison

Edit; The car was initially up at £134,950, dropped to £124,950 early/mid dec

Edited by GhostWKD on Wednesday 3rd January 09:40

[Terminator X]

O/T but these were my CCB's after about 34k miles:



TX.

[akadk]

Terminator X said:

O/T but these were my CCB's after about 34k miles:



TX.

These are different type of ceramic discs and have a outter layer of super hard coating to wear better on track.

They are used in Pork/Merc/BMW etc

No idea why Fezza, McL etc persevere with the CCM material….

Re track use and mechanical sympathy

I sold my previous 12C to my friend with perfect ceramic discs. We went to Spa, and he got the red mist and stopping from 186mph at the end of the kemmel straight creates some heat ! Stayed out for too many laps and by the end of the day his discs were compromised. The outter layer had given up due to the heat and now they are on a one way street to look like these

(Same guy who did his F-TYPE discs! )

[akadk]

andymc said:

akadk said:

Those discs are fooooked!!!

Same happened to my friends F-TYPE which are same CCM discs. He still daily drove the car for a few years with them like this, they still work - but eventually they disintegrated, literally mounds of carbon would appear in the wheel rim when just stationary.

You certainly wouldn’t want to be using them enthusiastically for much more once they’ve reach that state


!

why the fk would you photograph something that instantly kills the advert?

??

[Hammersia]

andymc said:

akadk said:

Those discs are fooooked!!!

Same happened to my friends F-TYPE which are same CCM discs. He still daily drove the car for a few years with them like this, they still work - but eventually they disintegrated, literally mounds of carbon would appear in the wheel rim when just stationary.

You certainly wouldn’t want to be using them enthusiastically for much more once they’ve reach that state


!

why the fk would you photograph something that instantly kills the advert?

Agreed, I definitely wouldn't buy a McLaren fitted with Jaguar calipers.

[RSbandit]

Yeah you really need to cool the things down properly after hard track driving otherwise the disks will end up like that. Always do a cool down lap myself and it keeps the disks in good order. I’m never driving 10/10ths either which helps.

[Far Cough]

All of the above is probably why its £10k cheaper than the one on the McLaren approved used site that is of similar age and spec.

Having said that , the poster about killing the brakes in ONE trackday scares the hell out of me and probably why you dont see Macs at many trackdays

[Streetbeat]

Far Cough said:

All of the above is probably why its £10k cheaper than the one on the McLaren approved used site that is of similar age and spec.

Having said that , the poster about killing the brakes in ONE trackday scares the hell out of me and probably why you dont see Macs at many trackdays

I used my Mc on plenty of track days, dics were fine, sensible session times, cool down laps, if your have no mechanical sympathy and are trying to be Aryton Senna i dont really understand what people expect.

[Streetbeat]

Far Cough said:

All of the above is probably why its £10k cheaper than the one on the McLaren approved used site that is of similar age and spec.

Having said that , the poster about killing the brakes in ONE trackday scares the hell out of me and probably why you dont see Macs at many trackdays

I dont think the other one has the clubsport pack does it?

[Far Cough]

Streetbeat said:

I dont think the other one has the clubsport pack does it?

It doesn't no ...... What was the cost to spec that when new front the list ?

[mirsgarage]

Honestly if you're serious about tracking anything, the pads and discs both need to be changed out anyway.

The big brain play here is to take off the OEM discs and pads, chuck em in storage, go buy some Pagid RSL1 pads and Surface Transform Discs. Total to install will probably be £15k - but you'll get at least 2-3 seasons of proper significant track use out of them before resurfacing them for £2000 or so. Then you can carry on.

When the time comes to sell the car, on go the OEM discs, pads - and the next buyer is happy.

[CraigyMc]

Far Cough said:

All of the above is probably why its £10k cheaper than the one on the McLaren approved used site that is of similar age and spec.

Having said that , the poster about killing the brakes in ONE trackday scares the hell out of me and probably why you dont see Macs at many trackdays

That and the fact that it looks like it's got a pretty bad wrap. Under that, who knows what the paint is really like?

[Streetbeat]

CraigyMc said:

That and the fact that it looks like it's got a pretty bad wrap. Under that, who knows what the paint is really like?

I believe its the original colour, not wrap.

[CraigyMc]

Streetbeat said:

CraigyMc said:

That and the fact that it looks like it's got a pretty bad wrap. Under that, who knows what the paint is really like?

I believe its the original colour, not wrap.

If it's not wrapped then they've had an ape applying the PPF. Along several of the shutlines it looks badly wrapped.

[Gibbo205]

Far Cough said:

All of the above is probably why its £10k cheaper than the one on the McLaren approved used site that is of similar age and spec.

Having said that , the poster about killing the brakes in ONE trackday scares the hell out of me and probably why you dont see Macs at many trackdays

Not sure about other McLaren models, but the weakness on the 600 LT is the stock OE pads are made of chocolate, they stop insanely well but need great care, so 1-2 cool down laps, don't let sessions exceed 15 minutes ideally and don't drive too hard, stick to this mindset and a set of OE pads will still only last 2-3 days. Over drive and spend to much time out, you will easily destroy brakes in a day with stock pads.

The Pagid RSC1 pads are much better, they last at least twice as long, expect 4-6 track days, of course the disc will be fine.

The main issue is the stock pads wear fastest, it is always the front outer pad, but top side wears quicker which of course you cannot see, so once your down to 3-4mm visible material, the top side will be around 1-2mm and can crumble, resulting in a destroyed disc.

As such on McLaren models it is crucial to change out pads at 4-5mm material showing from bottom of calliper, what you can see with wheels on, if you remove wheels you will generally find the pad has worn quicker at top by 1-2mm. At this time swapping out to RSC1 pads is a great idea.

Done a few track days in my 600 LT Spider, having owned 458, GT3, Exige, Caterham etc and when it comes to actual ability the 600 LT is just in another league, it is also a lot of fun, though nothing beats a Caterham for fun on track.

Also keep a mega close eye on oil levels on track, my 600 LT uses little to no oil in road driving but on a track day it can easily gobble around 0.5l of oil so be sure to check oil every 1-2 sessions in garage on perfectly flat ground and ensure it is in the green, add 100-200ml at a time as the gauge is sensitive.

Absolutely track them, they are bloody epic, last time I was on track I was passing 992 GT3 RS's and 675 LT's, I am not the best driver but I do love Donington National and am quite smooth, managed a 1:12-1:13 lap time even in my hands, my GT3 and 458 were around 1:16, Exige 410 was 1:18 and Caterham 1:20, absolutely a professional would see sub 1:10 or someone with no mechanical sympathy but for me the 600 LT feels just so race car on track, but I can then drive home, roof down, wind in my hair and get nearly 40mpg in comfort. Easily the best track car and best road car combination I have ever owned.

Edited by Gibbo205 on Thursday 4th January 12:46

[Davyt]

Looks to of disappeared off AT now so assume sold,,

[CraigyMc]

Davyt said:

Looks to of disappeared off AT now so assume sold,,

Says sold on their website.