720s - great value?
Discussion
PinkHouse said:
DanG355 said:
I don't think the issue is the interior itself, it's the clash between the red paintwork and that interior colour.
Ferraris seem to handle the red/tan combo quite well
mirsgarage said:
Had a browse and saw cars at £115k. Just mental.
There is only 1 at £115,000, a high mileage, very early 2017 model, with a good spec.,New was probably £230,000 - 240 so 50% depreciation over almost 6 1/2 years so comparable to a Ferrari and Lambo of similar miles and ageI was offered a new 992 Porsche Turbo S for less than £140k had ticket price of over £185,000
Probably only worth £130,000 so McLarens are holding well
Edited by Rocketreid on Saturday 17th February 23:40
Rocketreid said:
There is only 1 at £115,000, a high mileage, very early 2017 model, with a good spec.,New was probably £230,000 - 240 so 50% depreciation over almost 6 1/2 years so comparable to a Ferrari and Lambo of similar miles and age
I was offered a new 992 Porsche Turbo S for less than £140k had ticket price of over £185,000
Probably only worth £130,000 so McLarens are holding well
All I'm saying is that it's a lot of car for the money, not really a commentary on how they're holding vs. others - for example I'd take a 720S at that money vs. a boggo 488. I was offered a new 992 Porsche Turbo S for less than £140k had ticket price of over £185,000
Probably only worth £130,000 so McLarens are holding well
Edited by Rocketreid on Saturday 17th February 23:40
mirsgarage said:
All I'm saying is that it's a lot of car for the money, not really a commentary on how they're holding vs. others - for example I'd take a 720S at that money vs. a boggo 488.
Yep, they certainly are a lot of car, and in reality despite all the misinformation they are as reliable as any other Supercar, and can do higher mileage with no detrimental effectsRocketreid said:
Yep, they certainly are a lot of car, and in reality despite all the misinformation they are as reliable as any other Supercar, and can do higher mileage with no detrimental effects
Eh, debatable imo. They are mechanically very reliable, but my personal experience is a significantly higher rate of error/niggles that are reeeaaaaaally annoying to deal with. Not sure where the concept of "misinformation" comes from. Perhaps they've since fixed it, and the later cars are better. I don't know. All I can speak for is the car I did own. I had one of the first few cars back when they were new. I sold the car after 8 months and £100k loss because I couldn't be arsed putting it on a truck every month to be carted off to Bristol for yet another issue. Once I got to the point of "key not found" leaving the car stranded overnight while street parked, I made up my mind to sell it.
Other than that, the hydraulic airbrake got stuck up on three seperate occasions, needing a full bleed each time. Random spurious "Airbrake fault" messages. Various suspension sensor faults that could only be cleared at the dealer, happened twice or thrice. Windows randomly rolling up and down (really annoying when you're driving up the M5 in the pissing rain). Key not found, regularly. Parking sensors would go off at 75mph.
This is all well and good - but most of these things can and should be solved by now, so I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case for ownership in 2024. A software update would pretty much sort this all, and I expect the cars have had a few by now. In that light, with all the above sorted, and for £130k - it's an unbeatable vehicle.
However, back then - at £260k+ and with all these issues present - you can't quite blame people for being put off. I paid full-whack, brand new, for my car, and let me say this - it drove spectacularly. But the issues did suck the enjoyment out of it for me. For the money they are today, it's a no brainer though. I can let the issues go to have the experience of this car @ £130k.
mirsgarage said:
Eh, debatable imo. They are mechanically very reliable, but my personal experience is a significantly higher rate of error/niggles that are reeeaaaaaally annoying to deal with. Not sure where the concept of "misinformation" comes from. Perhaps they've since fixed it, and the later cars are better. I don't know. All I can speak for is the car I did own.
I had one of the first few cars back when they were new. I sold the car after 8 months and £100k loss because I couldn't be arsed putting it on a truck every month to be carted off to Bristol for yet another issue. Once I got to the point of "key not found" leaving the car stranded overnight while street parked, I made up my mind to sell it.
Other than that, the hydraulic airbrake got stuck up on three seperate occasions, needing a full bleed each time. Random spurious "Airbrake fault" messages. Various suspension sensor faults that could only be cleared at the dealer, happened twice or thrice. Windows randomly rolling up and down (really annoying when you're driving up the M5 in the pissing rain). Key not found, regularly. Parking sensors would go off at 75mph.
This is all well and good - but most of these things can and should be solved by now, so I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case for ownership in 2024. A software update would pretty much sort this all, and I expect the cars have had a few by now. In that light, with all the above sorted, and for £130k - it's an unbeatable vehicle.
However, back then - at £260k+ and with all these issues present - you can't quite blame people for being put off. I paid full-whack, brand new, for my car, and let me say this - it drove spectacularly. But the issues did suck the enjoyment out of it for me. For the money they are today, it's a no brainer though. I can let the issues go to have the experience of this car @ £130k.
Probably will depend on what other Supercars you have owned .I had one of the first few cars back when they were new. I sold the car after 8 months and £100k loss because I couldn't be arsed putting it on a truck every month to be carted off to Bristol for yet another issue. Once I got to the point of "key not found" leaving the car stranded overnight while street parked, I made up my mind to sell it.
Other than that, the hydraulic airbrake got stuck up on three seperate occasions, needing a full bleed each time. Random spurious "Airbrake fault" messages. Various suspension sensor faults that could only be cleared at the dealer, happened twice or thrice. Windows randomly rolling up and down (really annoying when you're driving up the M5 in the pissing rain). Key not found, regularly. Parking sensors would go off at 75mph.
This is all well and good - but most of these things can and should be solved by now, so I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case for ownership in 2024. A software update would pretty much sort this all, and I expect the cars have had a few by now. In that light, with all the above sorted, and for £130k - it's an unbeatable vehicle.
However, back then - at £260k+ and with all these issues present - you can't quite blame people for being put off. I paid full-whack, brand new, for my car, and let me say this - it drove spectacularly. But the issues did suck the enjoyment out of it for me. For the money they are today, it's a no brainer though. I can let the issues go to have the experience of this car @ £130k.
I’ve had a few and certainly my Ferrari’s were less reliable with bigger but less issues than my Macs.
Won’t get into how bad my Porsche experience was
In my opinion some first time Mac owners perhaps with good reason were very vocal on social media.
mirsgarage said:
Eh, debatable imo. They are mechanically very reliable, but my personal experience is a significantly higher rate of error/niggles that are reeeaaaaaally annoying to deal with. Not sure where the concept of "misinformation" comes from. Perhaps they've since fixed it, and the later cars are better. I don't know. All I can speak for is the car I did own.
I had one of the first few cars back when they were new. I sold the car after 8 months and £100k loss because I couldn't be arsed putting it on a truck every month to be carted off to Bristol for yet another issue. Once I got to the point of "key not found" leaving the car stranded overnight while street parked, I made up my mind to sell it.
Other than that, the hydraulic airbrake got stuck up on three seperate occasions, needing a full bleed each time. Random spurious "Airbrake fault" messages. Various suspension sensor faults that could only be cleared at the dealer, happened twice or thrice. Windows randomly rolling up and down (really annoying when you're driving up the M5 in the pissing rain). Key not found, regularly. Parking sensors would go off at 75mph.
This is all well and good - but most of these things can and should be solved by now, so I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case for ownership in 2024. A software update would pretty much sort this all, and I expect the cars have had a few by now. In that light, with all the above sorted, and for £130k - it's an unbeatable vehicle.
However, back then - at £260k+ and with all these issues present - you can't quite blame people for being put off. I paid full-whack, brand new, for my car, and let me say this - it drove spectacularly. But the issues did suck the enjoyment out of it for me. For the money they are today, it's a no brainer though. I can let the issues go to have the experience of this car @ £130k.
Probably will depend on what other Supercars you have owned .I had one of the first few cars back when they were new. I sold the car after 8 months and £100k loss because I couldn't be arsed putting it on a truck every month to be carted off to Bristol for yet another issue. Once I got to the point of "key not found" leaving the car stranded overnight while street parked, I made up my mind to sell it.
Other than that, the hydraulic airbrake got stuck up on three seperate occasions, needing a full bleed each time. Random spurious "Airbrake fault" messages. Various suspension sensor faults that could only be cleared at the dealer, happened twice or thrice. Windows randomly rolling up and down (really annoying when you're driving up the M5 in the pissing rain). Key not found, regularly. Parking sensors would go off at 75mph.
This is all well and good - but most of these things can and should be solved by now, so I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the case for ownership in 2024. A software update would pretty much sort this all, and I expect the cars have had a few by now. In that light, with all the above sorted, and for £130k - it's an unbeatable vehicle.
However, back then - at £260k+ and with all these issues present - you can't quite blame people for being put off. I paid full-whack, brand new, for my car, and let me say this - it drove spectacularly. But the issues did suck the enjoyment out of it for me. For the money they are today, it's a no brainer though. I can let the issues go to have the experience of this car @ £130k.
I’ve had a few and certainly my Ferrari’s were less reliable with bigger but less issues than my Macs.
Won’t get into how bad my Porsche experience was
In my opinion some first time Mac owners perhaps with good reason were very vocal on social media.
In contrast Ferrari issues occur probably just as frequently, however the owners and me included did not see the point of splashing it all over the net.
And i do think some Macs and models suffered more issues which both the dealers and McLaren struggled to deal with.
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