No Artura love?!

[Matty3]

Great to hear such positive reviews from a real owner

Would so much like to buy an Artura to replace my purchased new 570 - the Artura bodywork lines are so much more resolved and fit and finish is leagues improved on the 570 - but the premature launch, 2 less cylinders and shall we say initial 'teething problems' are a real issue in making me a convert - so far!!

[RSbandit]

Nice that you’re having a positive experience …the car I had on loan 3 months ago from Hatfield really impressed me alright …looks like it’s still for sale wonder how long they can sit on that?

[Streetbeat]

12pack said:

Adding hybrid complexity and weight to the power train without fundamentally improving the capability of the car is not for me. Anyway, turbo lag is just a good excuse for unnecessary downshifts

I sit in the camp above, i dont see the advantages.

[gavinp]

The noise, in my opinion, from the 6 is soooo much better than the 8. McLaren specific, as others have made 8 sound better, but the McLaren 8 is painful to my ears. Unrefined tractor.

The 6 is smooth, growly, and delivery is off the chart. With no lag.

I also have a screaming Exige 410, also a 6, which sounds great. And a 54 year old Alfa GT Veloce, a 4, which sounds great.

I think when it comes to 10 and 12, I can see the material difference in appeal. But 6 versus 8, not sure why it matters. Porsche seem to be fine!

[993AL]

Picked mine up at the start of April. My 5th. having had two 570’s and two 600’s

Although a good deal was done, financially it would have made sense to walk on by as the 600 Spider is in great demand just now and would appear to be one of the McLarens that you’re not going to lose your shirt on but having driven an Artura for a day late last year I knew it was only a matter of time. It’s that good, to me at least.

McLaren have moved the game on quite a bit with this car in the fit and finish department and having driven just under 1000 miles this month I can’t get enough of it.

I wasn’t expecting to like the sound of the V6 but with the sport exhaust fitted I’m more than happy with the sound in the cabin.

Edited by 993AL on Saturday 27th April 17:41

[Frankychops]

Are the spiders out in the wild yet?

[ben5575]

993AL said:

Yes. That would do very nicely. Well done, what a stunning looking car

[gavinp]

993AL said:

Picked mine up at the start of April. My 5th. having had two 570’s and two 600’s

Although a good deal was done, financially it would have made sense to walk on by as the 600 Spider is in great demand just now and would appear to be one of the McLarens that you’re not going to lose your shirt on but having driven an Artura for a day late last year I knew it was only a matter of time. It’s that good, to me at least.

McLaren have moved the game on quite a bit with this car in the fit and finish department and having driven just under 1000 miles this month I can’t get enough of it.

I wasn’t expecting to like the sound of the V6 but with the sport exhaust fitted I’m more than happy with the sound in the cabin.

Edited by 993AL on Saturday 27th April 17:41

Exactly how I feel. When I am not driving I really miss it. Sad but true!

[br d]

gavinp said:

There is going to be a time when we all try the EV Boxster / Alpine / Elise / Caterham V, and it will click. Not a replacement for petrol, but something different and new. Immediate torque means sliding fun and throttle adjustability. That’s something to look forward to. The fact that the Artura is super light in comparison to all in its class, including the red ones (!), shows their future is bright.

But at the same time there will be hydrogen burning combustion engines and synthetic fuels as well. Also something new, but not too new, and we’ll get the petrol like feeling.

The mix of choices is going to be great.

What I have chosen for now is not the fastest of the McLarens but I think the best by a number of measures.

As I mentioned earlier on, the 750 is brilliant, but the fact it tries to kill you with the smallest blip of the throttle in the dry becomes a bit boring after a while.

That's a lovely looking car, congratulations. I really think the Artura has beautiful styling, it just oozes class.
But I'm interested in your last sentence, how does the 750 try to kill you with every blip of the throttle? I appreciate you're using a bit of hyperbole but are you really getting bored with the 750's performance?

[RSbandit]

It’s a really well resolved design and a much prettier car than the 296 GTB.

[gavinp]

br d said:

That's a lovely looking car, congratulations. I really think the Artura has beautiful styling, it just oozes class.
But I'm interested in your last sentence, how does the 750 try to kill you with every blip of the throttle? I appreciate you're using a bit of hyperbole but are you really getting bored with the 750's performance?

Yep. I had a 720 before. And borrowed a 750 for the weekend from the dealer.

There is nothing like the speed of these cars. It makes you laugh out loud each time you accelerate. But, and this is not new news, you have to be going very fast to get the most out of them. Even on track, which I did a few times, and you are going at scary fast speeds. It is incredible in a straight line, but you literally get one second and then have to hit the brakes. The 720 is the only car I have been worried about owning in case it got you into speed trouble, by accident.

The 750 is even more highly strung than the 720, the throttle response is very binary and there is lag. So you get a very sudden kick every time unless you are very careful on the throttle. Most of don't have the energy to be 'on it' 100% of the time and therefore at some point there is a high chance it will catch you out. My 720 did that to me, stepped out dramatically, in the dry when I was just minding my own business.

You can of course use comfort mode, but the lag is so bad, the noise so agricultural, and the calibration so set up for maniac mode, that the engine feels lethargic and relatively hard work. So you put it in Sport, and so back to square one.

There is nothing useful in between lethargy and maniac.

All my opinion of course. Insta loves maniac speed and an air brake (that just gets in the way) :-)

The Artura is amazing at 30mph. Always been my test. Same with the Alpine A110 I had. 200 yards, you feel it.

[br d]

Well horses for courses. I've had a couple of 720's and now have a 750 and I don't feel uncomfortable when driving them. I've had them step out in the wet with the slippery P Zeros but not in the dry, maybe I'm just not pushing that hard, I don't track my cars and I'm certainly not a great driver but I do enjoy the rush! I throw them around the Alps for a few thousand miles each year and find that a joy.

Too fast for the road? Possibly.
I've had a couple of other McLarens too and I found the 570S to be great fun, maybe because it didn't need to be pushed as hard but I still relish the absolute batsttery of the 750.

Either way, we're very lucky to be in the position to debate it, all the best with the car, enjoy!

[gavinp]

We are. Always appreciate that when I am in it :-)

[gavinp]

Btw, even the dealer told me once the 720 shouldn't be allowed to be sold to the general public!

[12pack]

Interesting comments. Contrastingly, I previously decided not to get a 720 as it didn’t really feel much quicker than my 650s, which I’ve “become one with”. By then I’d become inured by Tesla acceleration (actually - jerk- the rate of change of acceleration). I didn't want to have relearn a car that felt only incrementally quicker.

So I'd come to the same conclusion about the 750 - but from another direction - it’s not quick enough

And I respectfully disagree with the turbo lag comments (at least for 720 and previous). In the correct gear, and a progressive right foot to maximize traction, the cars ramp in the power beautifully.

But nice to see Artura owners who like the PHEV concept. More than double the semiconductor chips per car for my business.

Edited by 12pack on Sunday 28th April 12:36

[MDL111]

RSbandit said:

It’s a really well resolved design and a much prettier car than the 296 GTB.

guess we are all different - I think the 296 is the best looking standard entry level Ferrari since the 355 and one of the prettiest cars on sale today - so much so I really want one and I rarely like modern/new cars

[Streetbeat]

I wouldnt say the 296 gtb is the entry level Ferrari

[MDL111]

Streetbeat said:

I wouldnt say the 296 gtb is the entry level Ferrari

I am not sure, but think that is how they are positioning it now - replacement for the F8 / V8 line. It is their cheapest mid-engined car. I guess you can argue the Roma line is the entry level car, but that is kind of a different type of car. It is expensive though, prices in Germany are: Roma 242k and 296 283k

The Artura costs 231k and the 750S c. 280k as comparison

Edit to add: a 992 Turbo S costs 247k, so is actually more expensive than the Artura and the Roma. Wow cars have gotten expensive

Edited by MDL111 on Monday 29th April 16:46

[br d]

I haven't owned a Ferrari for a long time, how are the option prices and how much is necessary?

I optioned pretty high on this 750S because I laughingly told myself I'm not buying anymore silly cars after this, I think I did about 70k in options but I'd imagine 40k would still get you a very nice car.
Are Ferrari costs similar?

[MDL111]

br d said:

I haven't owned a Ferrari for a long time, how are the option prices and how much is necessary?

I optioned pretty high on this 750S because I laughingly told myself I'm not buying anymore silly cars after this, I think I did about 70k in options but I'd imagine 40k would still get you a very nice car.
Are Ferrari costs similar?

I think so, I have not looked at a McLaren options list in a while, but from memory they are both in a similar ballpark for the "standard" options.