So who's getting an i3?
Discussion
RossP said:
skyrover said:
Used to own an LS and have been driven in an i3
Totally different league as far as build quality, comfort/refinement and power/smoothness.
I agree. A brand new i3 is a massive step up from an old 100k miles plus old Lexus in all those areas.Totally different league as far as build quality, comfort/refinement and power/smoothness.
At 100k the lexus isn't even run in
Well most people would probably swap the car at end of PCP. I probably will.
But it should be fine. its not a toy! It is quite low weight, so low stresses and few moving parts.
Battery is warrantied until 80k miles. The ability does exist to swap batteries out and yu can do this is europe already I understand.
The savings should only increase, as most of the depreciation will have gone but running costs will remain low.
But it should be fine. its not a toy! It is quite low weight, so low stresses and few moving parts.
Battery is warrantied until 80k miles. The ability does exist to swap batteries out and yu can do this is europe already I understand.
The savings should only increase, as most of the depreciation will have gone but running costs will remain low.
skyrover said:
Used to own an LS and have been driven in an i3
Totally different league as far as build quality, comfort/refinement and power/smoothness.
As someone who's driven, rated, and considered (from a technical stand point) just about every car every made, it's safe to say any modern electric car, and especially the premium segment i3, is going to be a much "smoother" and "more refined" place than pretty much anything this side of a Rolls Royce phantom! No gears, no vibration, no exhaust or intake noise, perfectly seamless, smooth performance available instantly. In cars such as this, the designers have been forced to do things like re-design the windscreen wipers to reduce cabin noise because of the lack of other NVH to mask such devices!Totally different league as far as build quality, comfort/refinement and power/smoothness.
Ok, the i3 isn't perfect, at speed there are door sealing issues which cause cabin NVH, and the ally/carbon structure has some significant and sometimes annoying nodes that can cause resonance at certain speeds on certain road surfaces, but overall, getting out of that old Lexus and into the i3 isn't going to feel like a step down imo.
And the interior of old (and actually the new ones too!) Lexii is pretty "Halfords" at the best, with lots of small shiny buttons randomly scatter gunned around in typical Japanese style. Not totally awful, but not a design master piece either.
mmm, lovely! (if you're Alan Partridge maybe.........)
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 28th June 15:11
Max_Torque said:
As someone who's driven, rated, and considered (from a technical stand point) just about every car every made, it's safe to say any modern electric car, and especially the premium segment i3, is going to be a much "smoother" and "more refined" place than pretty much anything this side of a Rolls Royce phantom! No gears, no vibration, no exhaust or intake noise, perfectly seamless, smooth performance available instantly. In cars such as this, the designers have been forced to do things like re-design the windscreen wipers to reduce cabin noise because of the lack of other NVH to mask such devices!=
Funny you should say this because you just described the Lexus LS. It's actually quieter than the equivalent rolls royce of it's day.Design not withstanding, the LS is far better built and certainly more reliable.
Well that got a little discussion going didn't it 
They aren't comparable, totally different cars aimed at different uses.
My use of the current car has highlighted I don't really need the extreme comfort as it's only 16 miles each way to work with it being mainly B roads with a dual carriageway at the end.
For me the main aim is to save a little money on the running of the everyday car and have more to put towards upgrades and mods on the fun car. I'm due a pay rise soon at work so this will be offset a little anyway.
I see three options at the moment:
(1) Keep the current boat and just fix things as and when they break. (It's due a service and bit of TLC)
(2) Spend similar or slightly less outgoing on an i3 <-------- Please add your real world all in costs if you think I'm out on this.
(3) PCP a Leaf for significantly less and pocket the change.
My thoughts are the Leaf is gopping to look at, tech/interior/everything is a class down.
Lower range too on the Leaf. Did I mention it's gopping to look at
What about a 1yr old i3 on pcp, say AUC from BMW.
They aren't comparable, totally different cars aimed at different uses.
My use of the current car has highlighted I don't really need the extreme comfort as it's only 16 miles each way to work with it being mainly B roads with a dual carriageway at the end.
For me the main aim is to save a little money on the running of the everyday car and have more to put towards upgrades and mods on the fun car. I'm due a pay rise soon at work so this will be offset a little anyway.
I see three options at the moment:
(1) Keep the current boat and just fix things as and when they break. (It's due a service and bit of TLC)
(2) Spend similar or slightly less outgoing on an i3 <-------- Please add your real world all in costs if you think I'm out on this.
(3) PCP a Leaf for significantly less and pocket the change.
My thoughts are the Leaf is gopping to look at, tech/interior/everything is a class down.
Lower range too on the Leaf. Did I mention it's gopping to look at
What about a 1yr old i3 on pcp, say AUC from BMW.
-Neil- said:
Well that got a little discussion going didn't it
They aren't comparable, totally different cars aimed at different uses.
My use of the current car has highlighted I don't really need the extreme comfort as it's only 16 miles each way to work with it being mainly B roads with a dual carriageway at the end.
For me the main aim is to save a little money on the running of the everyday car and have more to put towards upgrades and mods on the fun car. I'm due a pay rise soon at work so this will be offset a little anyway.
I see three options at the moment:
(1) Keep the current boat and just fix things as and when they break. (It's due a service and bit of TLC)
(2) Spend similar or slightly less outgoing on an i3 <-------- Please add your real world all in costs if you think I'm out on this.
(3) PCP a Leaf for significantly less and pocket the change.
My thoughts are the Leaf is gopping to look at, tech/interior/everything is a class down.
Lower range too on the Leaf. Did I mention it's gopping to look at
What about a 1yr old i3 on pcp, say AUC from BMW.
thing is at some point the Lexus is going to break and cost some money to fix, on the other hand it will keep going a lot more than 3 years and have some residual value (as an aside it's a lovely barge)They aren't comparable, totally different cars aimed at different uses.
My use of the current car has highlighted I don't really need the extreme comfort as it's only 16 miles each way to work with it being mainly B roads with a dual carriageway at the end.
For me the main aim is to save a little money on the running of the everyday car and have more to put towards upgrades and mods on the fun car. I'm due a pay rise soon at work so this will be offset a little anyway.
I see three options at the moment:
(1) Keep the current boat and just fix things as and when they break. (It's due a service and bit of TLC)
(2) Spend similar or slightly less outgoing on an i3 <-------- Please add your real world all in costs if you think I'm out on this.
(3) PCP a Leaf for significantly less and pocket the change.
My thoughts are the Leaf is gopping to look at, tech/interior/everything is a class down.
Lower range too on the Leaf. Did I mention it's gopping to look at
What about a 1yr old i3 on pcp, say AUC from BMW.
year old i3 is going to be more expensive than a new one, carwow is offering i3s at a 17% discount to list (applicable to PCP)
Lease a leaf... if it's just a commuter car then ignore the exterior, spend change on Elise...
Edited by babatunde on Friday 30th June 13:46
babatunde said:
thing is at some point the Lexus is going to break and cost some money to fix, on the other hand it will keep going a lot more than 3 years and have some residual value (as an aside it's a lovely barge)
year old i3 is going to be more expensive than a new one, carwow is offering i3s at a 17% discount to list (applicable to PCP)
Lease a leaf... if it's just a commuter car then ignore the exterior, spend change on Elise...
You nailed it in that last comment, a Leaf it will be.year old i3 is going to be more expensive than a new one, carwow is offering i3s at a 17% discount to list (applicable to PCP)
Lease a leaf... if it's just a commuter car then ignore the exterior, spend change on Elise...
Edited by babatunde on Friday 30th June 13:46
Going to look at one on Wednesday
Sorry to ask what I know has been answered before (but cant find).
What are the PCP deals going on i3's at the moment? The BMW site seems to die on me when I want to dig into the details.
I'm sure it makes no financial sense for doing 700-800 miles a month but I'm interested to know how much worse off than a petrol I would be.
What are the PCP deals going on i3's at the moment? The BMW site seems to die on me when I want to dig into the details.
I'm sure it makes no financial sense for doing 700-800 miles a month but I'm interested to know how much worse off than a petrol I would be.
marting said:
Sorry to ask what I know has been answered before (but cant find).
What are the PCP deals going on i3's at the moment? The BMW site seems to die on me when I want to dig into the details.
I'm sure it makes no financial sense for doing 700-800 miles a month but I'm interested to know how much worse off than a petrol I would be.
i had my second i3 4 months ago and i'm paying £260+VAT/month with £1500 down for a high spec rex.What are the PCP deals going on i3's at the moment? The BMW site seems to die on me when I want to dig into the details.
I'm sure it makes no financial sense for doing 700-800 miles a month but I'm interested to know how much worse off than a petrol I would be.
it is unlikely that you would be worse off than an equivalent petrol (ie £35/40k)
your electric bill would be around £25/mth which compares well to a petrol bill @30mpg of £130
Greg_D said:
i had my second i3 4 months ago and i'm paying £260+VAT/month with £1500 down for a high spec rex.
it is unlikely that you would be worse off than an equivalent petrol (ie £35/40k)
your electric bill would be around £25/mth which compares well to a petrol bill @30mpg of £130
Thats much better than I had imagined. Did you opt for any form of servicing pack? When I try to google i3 servicing I keep seeing insane figures that exceed a service on my M3 which I struggle to believe considering there is much less to maintain.it is unlikely that you would be worse off than an equivalent petrol (ie £35/40k)
your electric bill would be around £25/mth which compares well to a petrol bill @30mpg of £130
marting said:
Greg_D said:
i had my second i3 4 months ago and i'm paying £260+VAT/month with £1500 down for a high spec rex.
it is unlikely that you would be worse off than an equivalent petrol (ie £35/40k)
your electric bill would be around £25/mth which compares well to a petrol bill @30mpg of £130
Thats much better than I had imagined. Did you opt for any form of servicing pack? When I try to google i3 servicing I keep seeing insane figures that exceed a service on my M3 which I struggle to believe considering there is much less to maintain.it is unlikely that you would be worse off than an equivalent petrol (ie £35/40k)
your electric bill would be around £25/mth which compares well to a petrol bill @30mpg of £130
Whoop! Managed my first all electric run in the i3 Rex we have
Ok so it was only 2/3 of the full return trip but I managed the whole 60 miles back to base with 9 miles to spare having started with about 75% SOC. EcoPro+ the whole way (which wierdly lets you do more than the "limited" 56mph if you are using the cruise control?)
Generally very nice. Relaxing.
However on the A-roads through the country side, its a bit, errr boat like? like a dingy on a choppy sea. Its not got a front to back or side to side wobble to it, more of a diagonal/orbital swaying/sew-sawing. Made me feel a bit queasy.
Ok so it was only 2/3 of the full return trip but I managed the whole 60 miles back to base with 9 miles to spare having started with about 75% SOC. EcoPro+ the whole way (which wierdly lets you do more than the "limited" 56mph if you are using the cruise control?)
Generally very nice. Relaxing.
However on the A-roads through the country side, its a bit, errr boat like? like a dingy on a choppy sea. Its not got a front to back or side to side wobble to it, more of a diagonal/orbital swaying/sew-sawing. Made me feel a bit queasy.
Strangely, I3 reminds me a little bit of an early aircooled 911! Light steering, darty nose, and a low frequency diagonal rock as the chassis loads and unloads.
What i find suprising is the absolute yaw authority of the chassis is high. Because the CofG is low (especially for BEV versions) and it has a nice front/rear distribution, and despite the chassis settings being for understeer, if you keep turning the handwheel then the chassis seems to still achieve extra yaw gain. Again, a bit like an old 911 ;-)
What i find suprising is the absolute yaw authority of the chassis is high. Because the CofG is low (especially for BEV versions) and it has a nice front/rear distribution, and despite the chassis settings being for understeer, if you keep turning the handwheel then the chassis seems to still achieve extra yaw gain. Again, a bit like an old 911 ;-)
Its re-affirmed for me though that if I ever get one (and if I chop the current job should I be offered one at MIRA I might), I won't be needing the active cruise. It really could do with some more elasticity in it; if someone pulls in front a little close its on the anchors like the last of the late brakers and today it seemed to get confused by a low bridge... I nearly went through the windscreen, for no reason. No one else around. Good job really.
I drove a Golf 1.4TSI the other week and the active radar cruise on that is sublime precisely because the car hasn't got the ability to retard the speed like an EV can so it just eases up on the gas (and I presume dabs on the brakes ?).
I'm definitely stuck on buying a second hand one. If I go to MIRA its 66 miles a day. 15k a year ish, just on going to work. PCP/Lease wont like it.
I drove a Golf 1.4TSI the other week and the active radar cruise on that is sublime precisely because the car hasn't got the ability to retard the speed like an EV can so it just eases up on the gas (and I presume dabs on the brakes ?).
I'm definitely stuck on buying a second hand one. If I go to MIRA its 66 miles a day. 15k a year ish, just on going to work. PCP/Lease wont like it.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 12th July 22:57
Greg_D said:
i had my second i3 4 months ago and i'm paying £260+VAT/month with £1500 down for a high spec rex.
it is unlikely that you would be worse off than an equivalent petrol (ie £35/40k)
your electric bill would be around £25/mth which compares well to a petrol bill @30mpg of £130
Interesting. I was quoted 183+VAT/month on a 9+23 business lease 12 months ago for a i3 Rex. That's only with Metallic & Alphabet Driver Pack. it is unlikely that you would be worse off than an equivalent petrol (ie £35/40k)
your electric bill would be around £25/mth which compares well to a petrol bill @30mpg of £130
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