So who's getting an i3?

[Heres Johnny]

How are you finding the i3s over the i3? Some say it’s a bit of a firm ride but of course some would prefer that. I’m more interested in whether it feels a bit more lively at speed as I’m quite rural and so have a lot of 50mph+ driving

[Mits]

Ride is slightly firmer, but difficult to tell the difference. Less movement in windy weather and less of that bouncy feeling that i had in the i3. Handling is sharper with wider track/wheels.
70-80mph cruising is quite comfortable.

Really am quite impressed with it as the only issue I had with the i3 was the nervous handling in bad weather. The i3s is pretty perfect and sport mode is scarily rapid from standstill, makes my f80 m3 feel slow.

I occasionally need the Rex if I go into central london, so decided to change now with the Rex discontinued and delivery mileage cars disappearing.

[CooperS]

Mits said:

I’ve just traded my 94rex after 2yrs and 41k miles for a i3s rex with delivery miles. My i3 was bought new and used for my 110m commute to London.
Used on the m1 and nth circular managed the distance easily on electric, only needed to use the Rex for 10-15m in the depths of winter. Any temperature over 10 degrees and electric is fine. Speed varying between 65-75 and driven in comfort mode.

Can I ask what reception did you get from your dealer?

I've got a high miler 94 REX MY17 which is be tempted to trade in but my presumption would be I'd get nailed having 52k on the clock.

Did the dealer support the move or were you really motivated to get into a S?

[IN51GHT]

Hoping to collect my I3s today, brand spanking new, on a 25k a year, 24month lease. It's a stopgap car for two years as by then there will be raft of EV's avalible to choose from.

[so called]

Mits said:

I’ve just traded my 94rex after 2yrs and 41k miles for a i3s rex with delivery miles. My i3 was bought new and used for my 110m commute to London.
Used on the m1 and nth circular managed the distance easily on electric, only needed to use the Rex for 10-15m in the depths of winter. Any temperature over 10 degrees and electric is fine. Speed varying between 65-75 and driven in comfort mode.

My 16 plate I3 is on 64k miles now which I bought late summer last year on 40k.
I do a daily 98 miles commute which is mainly duel carriageway.

I don't get the kind of numbers you've quoted.
At 10 plus I get around 85miles before Rex kicks in and in winter only about 60 on a really cold day.

Is yours the norm?
Same battery etc.

[CooperS]

so called said:

Mits said:

I’ve just traded my 94rex after 2yrs and 41k miles for a i3s rex with delivery miles. My i3 was bought new and used for my 110m commute to London.
Used on the m1 and nth circular managed the distance easily on electric, only needed to use the Rex for 10-15m in the depths of winter. Any temperature over 10 degrees and electric is fine. Speed varying between 65-75 and driven in comfort mode.

My 16 plate I3 is on 64k miles now which I bought late summer last year on 40k.
I do a daily 98 miles commute which is mainly duel carriageway.

I don't get the kind of numbers you've quoted.
At 10 plus I get around 85miles before Rex kicks in and in winter only about 60 on a really cold day.

Is yours the norm?
Same battery etc.

Early days driving like a nun traveling mostly fast A roads and motorway to get to work (85 mile round commute) I'd get 4.7kwh+ in summer thats now dropped to 4.1. In the winter first one was 4.1 and over the last winter with seats on and heater blowing i see 3.7kwh. All of which means I get on a bad winter's day 105 miles and at best 145 miles in the summer.

Hope this helps

[so called]

CooperS said:

so called said:

Mits said:

I’ve just traded my 94rex after 2yrs and 41k miles for a i3s rex with delivery miles. My i3 was bought new and used for my 110m commute to London.
Used on the m1 and nth circular managed the distance easily on electric, only needed to use the Rex for 10-15m in the depths of winter. Any temperature over 10 degrees and electric is fine. Speed varying between 65-75 and driven in comfort mode.

My 16 plate I3 is on 64k miles now which I bought late summer last year on 40k.
I do a daily 98 miles commute which is mainly duel carriageway.

I don't get the kind of numbers you've quoted.
At 10 plus I get around 85miles before Rex kicks in and in winter only about 60 on a really cold day.

Is yours the norm?
Same battery etc.

Early days driving like a nun traveling mostly fast A roads and motorway to get to work (85 mile round commute) I'd get 4.7kwh+ in summer thats now dropped to 4.1. In the winter first one was 4.1 and over the last winter with seats on and heater blowing i see 3.7kwh. All of which means I get on a bad winter's day 105 miles and at best 145 miles in the summer.

Hope this helps

OK, I think that I've misunderstood Mits post.
Mine is a 2016 22kWh Rex. I think that you both have had 33kWh cars.

[Mits]

CooperS said:

Mits said:

I’ve just traded my 94rex after 2yrs and 41k miles for a i3s rex with delivery miles. My i3 was bought new and used for my 110m commute to London.
Used on the m1 and nth circular managed the distance easily on electric, only needed to use the Rex for 10-15m in the depths of winter. Any temperature over 10 degrees and electric is fine. Speed varying between 65-75 and driven in comfort mode.

Can I ask what reception did you get from your dealer?

I've got a high miler 94 REX MY17 which is be tempted to trade in but my presumption would be I'd get nailed having 52k on the clock.

Did the dealer support the move or were you really motivated to get into a S?

The dealer was motivated to get a deal done, as I only went in to drive a m5 and we got talking about the Rex being discontinued. The i3s I got was registered in nov 18 and had less than 50miles on it and 15k off list. As it’s a Rex and over 40k the road tax may have put people off, but the discount makes up for this.
Trade in was above we buy any car and it needed some bits doing, think it’s gone to auction.

[caseys]

Not a bad predicted range tbh. 120ah, 7k miles so far. Apparently I’m in Australia.

[Daaaveee]

caseys said:

Not a bad predicted range tbh. 120ah, 7k miles so far. Apparently I’m in Australia.

244, very impressive, what was your consumption prior to charging?

The highest I've seen in my i3 120Ah is 228 after a steady journey to the coast on 40-50mph single carriageway roads, with consumption around 6mi/kWh.

[caseys]

Daaaveee said:

caseys said:

Not a bad predicted range tbh. 120ah, 7k miles so far. Apparently I’m in Australia.

244, very impressive, what was your consumption prior to charging?

The highest I've seen in my i3 120Ah is 228 after a steady journey to the coast on 40-50mph single carriageway roads, with consumption around 6mi/kWh.

I think it was 6.8. I can get an average over the week of 6.4 (not sure if that works out with air con ancillaries draw ) around town. Doing the 78 mile round trip to work I’m getting about 5.0-5.3m/kWh

[SOL111]

244 miles is very impressive. Is that achievable if you drive it in comfort/sport mode and giving it the beans? (moderately).

I've a 94Ah and my best was 155 miles. I was in sport mode, so bombing it here/there, but traffic was a bit slow so managed 5.3mi/kWh overall.

If 244 miles is achievable with regular driving then it'd be nice to eventually ditch the Rex and get an 's' BEV.

[mids]

Maybe the 'guess-o'meter' has improved since the i3's were first built 6 years ago but mine was comically bad. I remember, a few weeks after getting my i3, proudly taking a photo showing over 100 miles of predicted electric range but I don't think I ever got more than about 65 miles in real usage. Strange how it massively over-estimates (+60%) and never under eh?

[Heres Johnny]

mids said:

Maybe the 'guess-o'meter' has improved since the i3's were first built 6 years ago but mine was comically bad. I remember, a few weeks after getting my i3, proudly taking a photo showing over 100 miles of predicted electric range but I don't think I ever got more than about 65 miles in real usage. Strange how it massively over-estimates (+60%) and never under eh?

Don’t want to mention the T word on here, but that over estimates too, they use the rated mileage range although you can select a typical which is more realistic but still not true. Maybe it’s something to do with EVs being potentially very variable on efficiency because they are so efficient? A cold winters day you’d hardly notice a change on a ICE, it's lost in the overall inefficiency, but an EV would be dreadful for the first few miles. Either way, if the range on a petrol car was based on the official MPG it would cause a few problems as it would in general be chronically optimistic in many cases

[mids]

Yeah, you only need to own one for a few weeks to get your head round it and realise that the actual range is very consistent (for the same environmental conditions and driving speed/style).

[LimaDelta]

Heres Johnny said:

A cold winters day you’d hardly notice a change on a ICE, it's lost in the overall inefficiency, but an EV would be dreadful for the first few miles.

Why? Being the owner of a shiny new I3 (only two weeks into it) the concept from what I can gather is to run the climate control while the car is plugged in before starting one's journey. There is then the double benefit of getting straight into a toasty warm car, and no loss in range as the AC has been running off mains power rather than the batteries.

Incidentally - loving the car so far, wish we'd done it sooner, it's like a little spaceship. We've cut our 'fuel' costs for the school run/daily use by 90%.

[Heres Johnny]

LimaDelta said:

Heres Johnny said:

A cold winters day you’d hardly notice a change on a ICE, it's lost in the overall inefficiency, but an EV would be dreadful for the first few miles.

Why? Being the owner of a shiny new I3 (only two weeks into it) the concept from what I can gather is to run the climate control while the car is plugged in before starting one's journey. There is then the double benefit of getting straight into a toasty warm car, and no loss in range as the AC has been running off mains power rather than the batteries.

Incidentally - loving the car so far, wish we'd done it sooner, it's like a little spaceship. We've cut our 'fuel' costs for the school run/daily use by 90%.

Its more to do with a warm battery than a warm car. If you can preheat the battery then your logic would work but its not always possible.

Also, winter weather of heavier air, wet conditions meaning more tyre drag, all decrease efficiency aside from the need to heat the cabin and battery

[LimaDelta]

Heres Johnny said:

LimaDelta said:

Heres Johnny said:

A cold winters day you’d hardly notice a change on a ICE, it's lost in the overall inefficiency, but an EV would be dreadful for the first few miles.

Why? Being the owner of a shiny new I3 (only two weeks into it) the concept from what I can gather is to run the climate control while the car is plugged in before starting one's journey. There is then the double benefit of getting straight into a toasty warm car, and no loss in range as the AC has been running off mains power rather than the batteries.

Incidentally - loving the car so far, wish we'd done it sooner, it's like a little spaceship. We've cut our 'fuel' costs for the school run/daily use by 90%.

Its more to do with a warm battery than a warm car. If you can preheat the battery then your logic would work but its not always possible.

Also, winter weather of heavier air, wet conditions meaning more tyre drag, all decrease efficiency aside from the need to heat the cabin and battery

I think it is fairly negligible unless trying to eke out every last mile of range. Even a 'full' day of running around for us only sees about 50% battery consumption.

Horses for courses, and I can see that a one-car family covering 30k mpa will struggle with the current generation of cars, but as a daily runabout/second car they are fantastic.

[oop north]

mids said:

Maybe the 'guess-o'meter' has improved since the i3's were first built 6 years ago but mine was comically bad. I remember, a few weeks after getting my i3, proudly taking a photo showing over 100 miles of predicted electric range but I don't think I ever got more than about 65 miles in real usage. Strange how it massively over-estimates (+60%) and never under eh?

I never got my i3 (December 15 Rex) to display range as high as 100 miles over 39k miles and three years. I managed 98 miles in ideal conditions once, but very regularly managed 80 miles. Winter was a bit of a drag though - get to the office 40 miles away, yes got enough to get home. Back in the car “where did 20 miles go?” - warming up the battery, that’s where! The iPace has rather better range, at a price...

[Heres Johnny]

LimaDelta said:

Heres Johnny said:

LimaDelta said:

Heres Johnny said:

A cold winters day you’d hardly notice a change on a ICE, it's lost in the overall inefficiency, but an EV would be dreadful for the first few miles.

Why? Being the owner of a shiny new I3 (only two weeks into it) the concept from what I can gather is to run the climate control while the car is plugged in before starting one's journey. There is then the double benefit of getting straight into a toasty warm car, and no loss in range as the AC has been running off mains power rather than the batteries.

Incidentally - loving the car so far, wish we'd done it sooner, it's like a little spaceship. We've cut our 'fuel' costs for the school run/daily use by 90%.

Its more to do with a warm battery than a warm car. If you can preheat the battery then your logic would work but its not always possible.

Also, winter weather of heavier air, wet conditions meaning more tyre drag, all decrease efficiency aside from the need to heat the cabin and battery

I think it is fairly negligible unless trying to eke out every last mile of range. Even a 'full' day of running around for us only sees about 50% battery consumption.

Horses for courses, and I can see that a one-car family covering 30k mpa will struggle with the current generation of cars, but as a daily runabout/second car they are fantastic.

If you're only using 50% then its a moot point, but have you run one in winter yet?

I've had 3 winters in a Tesla, maybe the i3 is better, and I recon its a good 20% down on a cold wet miserable day