So who is getting a Model 3?

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SpikeBmth

1,295 posts

156 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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Elon Musk said yesterday that configuration should be live in a few weeks , with first deliveries in June/July....

Smiljan

10,886 posts

198 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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VW is opening orders for the ID on the UK site May 8th. It'll be really interesting to see what they've come up with compared to Tesla price wise.

So far the longer range EV's - Kona, Niro, Leaf+ are all somewhere between £35k and £40k.

VW haven't given out pricing yet but they were saying it'd be "similar" pricing to the current Golf.

Anyone got any educated guesses for the choice and pricing on the Model 3 UK spec?

kambites

67,599 posts

222 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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The 64kwh Kona and Niro are both under £35k, even before the government grant. Much closer to £30k after it. I suspect the ID will end up similar for the long range version.

I'd guess the long range model 3 will end up at least £5k more, maybe closer to £10k.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 14th April 12:04

manracer

1,544 posts

98 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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kambites said:
The 64kwh Kona and Niro are both under £35k, even before the government grant. Much closer to £30k after it. I suspect the ID will end up similar for the long range version.

I'd guess the long range model 3 will end up at least £5k more, maybe closer to £10k.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 14th April 12:04
Everything I've read suggests the model 3 longer range AWD will be around 50k?

Smiljan

10,886 posts

198 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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kambites said:
The 64kwh Kona and Niro are both under £35k, even before the government grant. Much closer to £30k after it. I suspect the ID will end up similar for the long range version.

I'd guess the long range model 3 will end up at least £5k more, maybe closer to £10k.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 14th April 12:04
The Niro electric is £36496

The Kona (that you can't buy or order now) is £36k for nice spec longer range one.

The Leaf+ is £35895

If you've ever driven a new Nissan Leaf you'll understand £36k retail for one is a stretch to say the least. For that price the battery must be worth £30k as the rest of the car is cheap, cheap , cheap.

Anway, back to the Model 3. £50k at launch so high end aka Model S?

kambites

67,599 posts

222 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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Ah sorry I misremembered the government grant amount. Still well under £35k on the road though.

I think the base spec long range 3 will be around £40-45k OTR. Obviously it'll be possible to spec one considerably higher if you want to.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 14th April 14:44

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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kambites said:
Ah sorry I misremembered the government grant amount. Still well under £35k on the road though.

I think the base spec long range 3 will be around £40-45k OTR. Obviously it'll be possible to spec one considerably higher if you want to.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 14th April 14:44
Hyundai actually raised the kona price..


RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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Interesting info on battery drain in sleep and with sentry

https://youtu.be/mBzDmdywIDs

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

238 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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According to an email sent to a reservation holder in Australia, the cheapest Model 3 they will be able to order will be "around AUS$60,000 drive-away".

That would equate to around £33,000 in the UK, if the information is correct.

I do think there's a strong chance we will see a £35k Model 3 on the UK configurator from day 1.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Monday 15th April 2019
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Not sure what the import taxes are in Oz, I know they 3a luxury car tax over a certain value which should help the cheaper 3 out, it'll hit the higher price ones.

Cheapest one should be low 60s here or very close to the ioniq.

gangzoom

6,314 posts

216 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
I do think there's a strong chance we will see a £35k Model 3 on the UK configurator from day 1.
Unless you really really need to change cars DON'T order a day 1 RHD car. The SR+ car is OK, but the AWD/P versions better, however the market for a £50k+ AWD or £60k+ Performance Model 3 will be very small and Tesla is under massive pressure to hit delivery targets next few quarters, especially the higher margin cars.

All this means there WILL be some bargains to be had on inventory stock come later this year. Though Tesla don't 'officially' do discounts, come end of Quarter price 'corrections' appear very regularly. If you time it right I recon you can make a good saving on an AWD/P car in autumn/winter.

One reason I can think of to commit to a day one RHD car is you believe Musks latest Twitter PR campaign about increasing the price of FSD after 1st of May by about $3000, so taking FSD price to about $11k at order/$15k post delivery, but bare in mind I *only* paid £4900 to go from no AP to FSD option post delivery you can see how much Tesla is using FSD as a demand lever.

I suppose the only other reason for a Day 1 order would if you believe the £ will crash more autumn, and hence put prices up.

We should know UK pricing soon, but bar a surprisingly low UK price (<£45k for AWD car) am telling my day to wait till September.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Wonder if we get our configurator opened at the same time?

i'm planning Oct-Dec for delivery if we can have it by then.

gangzoom

6,314 posts

216 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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RobDickinson said:
Wonder if we get our configurator opened at the same time?

i'm planning Oct-Dec for delivery if we can have it by then.
You wouldn't need to order now for Oct/Dec delivery. Tesla will be making the cars regardless and there will be inventory stock sitting around.

Bjorn got his P Model 3 within a week of putting in a custom ordering, and his already moaning because Tesla has cut P Model 3 prices in Norway. His going to moan even more come later this year and some people get the identical car for even less.

Model 3 takes Tesla into the same production/sales game as every other manufactures. When was the last time you walked into a BMW dealer without expecting at least 10% off the list price.

Our Lexus saloon had a list price of £42k, we paid 20% below that. I would fully expect to achieve similar reductions on a £50k Model 3 for my dad.

Remember Tesla is business like everyone else, they NEED us to customers to buy their products not the other way round, and in the mass produced saloon market that means discounts from list price.

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 16th April 04:10

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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I'm not sure they'll ship an abundance of awd LR to New Zealand.

Id be OK with it earlier but I won't have cash on hand for it until Sept or so.

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

238 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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gangzoom said:
Unless you really really need to change cars DON'T order a day 1 RHD car. The SR+ car is OK, but the AWD/P versions better, however the market for a £50k+ AWD or £60k+ Performance Model 3 will be very small and Tesla is under massive pressure to hit delivery targets next few quarters, especially the higher margin cars.

All this means there WILL be some bargains to be had on inventory stock come later this year. Though Tesla don't 'officially' do discounts, come end of Quarter price 'corrections' appear very regularly. If you time it right I recon you can make a good saving on an AWD/P car in autumn/winter.

One reason I can think of to commit to a day one RHD car is you believe Musks latest Twitter PR campaign about increasing the price of FSD after 1st of May by about $3000, so taking FSD price to about $11k at order/$15k post delivery, but bare in mind I *only* paid £4900 to go from no AP to FSD option post delivery you can see how much Tesla is using FSD as a demand lever.

I suppose the only other reason for a Day 1 order would if you believe the £ will crash more autumn, and hence put prices up.

We should know UK pricing soon, but bar a surprisingly low UK price (<£45k for AWD car) am telling my day to wait till September.
Oh, I'll be ordering the moment the configurator opens. That is one certainty!

I'm not waiting one day more than I have to for my Model 3 and there are reasons I won't go into here why I can't wait even if I knew there were 'discounts' available later. I also don't want or care about FSD. I'll already probably be paying for AP I don't want.

Too many Tesla owners have become bitter about price changes after they've ordered and I can understand their point, but I won't be one of them.

p1stonhead

25,579 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
gangzoom said:
Unless you really really need to change cars DON'T order a day 1 RHD car. The SR+ car is OK, but the AWD/P versions better, however the market for a £50k+ AWD or £60k+ Performance Model 3 will be very small and Tesla is under massive pressure to hit delivery targets next few quarters, especially the higher margin cars.

All this means there WILL be some bargains to be had on inventory stock come later this year. Though Tesla don't 'officially' do discounts, come end of Quarter price 'corrections' appear very regularly. If you time it right I recon you can make a good saving on an AWD/P car in autumn/winter.

One reason I can think of to commit to a day one RHD car is you believe Musks latest Twitter PR campaign about increasing the price of FSD after 1st of May by about $3000, so taking FSD price to about $11k at order/$15k post delivery, but bare in mind I *only* paid £4900 to go from no AP to FSD option post delivery you can see how much Tesla is using FSD as a demand lever.

I suppose the only other reason for a Day 1 order would if you believe the £ will crash more autumn, and hence put prices up.

We should know UK pricing soon, but bar a surprisingly low UK price (<£45k for AWD car) am telling my day to wait till September.
Oh, I'll be ordering the moment the configurator opens. That is one certainty!

I'm not waiting one day more than I have to for my Model 3 and there are reasons I won't go into here why I can't wait even if I knew there were 'discounts' available later. I also don't want or care about FSD. I'll already probably be paying for AP I don't want.

Too many Tesla owners have become bitter about price changes after they've ordered and I can understand their point, but I won't be one of them.
Out of interest, how long down the queue do you anticipate thatll put you? I mean, there must be a lot in the queue from a few years back when first deposits were taken?

Tophatron

425 posts

222 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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I wonder what the chances of the UK RHD SR+ car squeaking under the £40k tax bracket - so around £36.5k after the grant?

On that note, is there a definitive list of what the LR cars have over the SR+? I heard mention of the live navigation being switched off for SR+, but then saw conflicting info that it's just switched off for SR (non +).

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

238 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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p1stonhead said:
Out of interest, how long down the queue do you anticipate thatll put you? I mean, there must be a lot in the queue from a few years back when first deposits were taken?
I reserved on 31st March 2016, so I hope my car will be on the first ship over!

p1stonhead

25,579 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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FurtiveFreddy said:
p1stonhead said:
Out of interest, how long down the queue do you anticipate thatll put you? I mean, there must be a lot in the queue from a few years back when first deposits were taken?
I reserved on 31st March 2016, so I hope my car will be on the first ship over!
Ok, so what if someone like me with no reservation, does the same?

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

238 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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p1stonhead said:
Ok, so what if someone like me with no reservation, does the same?
Time to get out your piece of string...

We don't know how many reservation holders there are in the UK.

We don't know how many of those will want to order the models on offer when orders open.

We don't know if the factory will switch to full time RHD production for a while.

There's a lot we don't know.