Tesla Model 3 revealed

[kambites]

I'm another one in the "touchscreens in cars are awful" camp, but then I think the same (to a slightly lesser degree) about menu-driven systems like iDrive. Find for secondary features which you only use while stationary, but IMO they should be disabled while the car is moving.

As someone said above though, I suspect voice control will take over everything in the end.

[p1stonhead]

DonkeyApple said:

p1stonhead said:

DonkeyApple said:

p1stonhead said:

DonkeyApple said:

p1stonhead said:

DonkeyApple said:

VGTICE said:

Microsoft and apple were perfectly capable of making systems and devices that lasted relatively long time. But that was before the 0% interest rates.

Idiot excess consumers pre existed zero rates. Zero rates just turbo charged the tards.

But we ought to get back to the iTesla, the true mobile phone.

Only a moron would pay cash for something available with zero percent interest.

Only a moron would think that there really was a retail debt product that was actually zero percent interest.

Go on then. If someone offers you a product at zero percent interest, other than them changing the already known price to factor the interest in, how are you being hoodwinked?

What rate do you think is really being paid when it is masked from the consumer and buried in the price?

So as I thought, its nothing to do with interest rates and more to do with what you percieve to be the profit margin?

If someone is happy to pay a price and its offered at zero percent without them changing the price you already think is fine, thats another story. Whatever profit is buried in the price is irrelevent. Its buried in there even if you pay cash up front.

And so why are you trying to argue that someone would be a muppet to pay cash then???!!!!!

And why have you even gone down this road as if trying to contradict the excess consumer spending that was firmly in place prior to 2010 when the 'zero' consumer debt product came to the fore as a means to drag punters off the street.

And with retail financial charges it is very relevant that they are explicit, hence the rather large consumer debt review currently underway that is focussing on zeros and pay later default generator products.

Still not sure what this has to do with the Tesla 3 though or iPhones.

My point was that who would want to pay up front for something when they could pay monthly or the like for free and use the lump of cash for something else or invest it?

Are you really saying that if the Model 3 were available for £30k with or without 0% over how many years, you would put the whole lump of cash down up front rather than take the drip deal?

Dont get upset because your example of why its bad was nonsence

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 17th July 08:34

[DonkeyApple]

p1stonhead said:

My point was that who would want to pay up front for something when they could pay monthly or the like for free and use the lump of cash for something else or invest it?

Dont get upset because your example of why its bad was nonsence

You said 'Only a moron would pay cash for something available with zero percent interest' when the explicit purpose of zero deals is as a sales to attract muppets.

And your original comment has nothing to do with what was being discussed. Especially as the financial product only appeared in its current form several years after the CC!

And you basically prove the whole point of the lunacy with the most recent man maths argument of 'use the lump of cash for something else or invest it' !!!

It's not about being upset it's about someone jumping in and talking non pertinent twaddle and then trying to justify it by steering some strange convoluted path. Can you even relate your original erroneous statement to what was actually being discussed?

[p1stonhead]

DonkeyApple said:

p1stonhead said:

My point was that who would want to pay up front for something when they could pay monthly or the like for free and use the lump of cash for something else or invest it?

Dont get upset because your example of why its bad was nonsence

You said 'Only a moron would pay cash for something available with zero percent interest' when the explicit purpose of zero deals is as a sales to attract muppets.

And your original comment has nothing to do with what was being discussed. Especially as the financial product only appeared in its current form several years after the CC!

And you basically prove the whole point of the lunacy with the most recent man maths argument of 'use the lump of cash for something else or invest it' !!!

It's not about being upset it's about someone jumping in and talking non pertinent twaddle and then trying to justify it by steering some strange convoluted path. Can you even relate your original erroneous statement to what was actually being discussed?

Ok maybe not a moron, but still a highly questionable choice.

Who cares about the CC?! Its irrelevent!

And how is the 'invest it elsewhere' argument a lunacy? Many people do it and you can easily relate it to buying a car actually.

You tried to say it was bad by saying 'oh but their profit is already within the price!' and you think I am talking twaddle!

[Tuna]

DonkeyApple said:

You can say whatever you like. It just doesn't necessarily correlate to what happens next, if anything.

That's the kicker - at the moment we're "not quite there" with voice interfaces. Alexa works with the help of some heavy duty machinery in the cloud, but still doesn't manage a conversational interface. Recognition is getting much better, but there's still a bit too much of the "guess the secret phrase" game in there to be easy enough for a distraction free environment.

[DonkeyApple]

Tuna said:

That's the kicker - at the moment we're "not quite there" with voice interfaces. Alexa works with the help of some heavy duty machinery in the cloud, but still doesn't manage a conversational interface. Recognition is getting much better, but there's still a bit too much of the "guess the secret phrase" game in there to be easy enough for a distraction free environment.

We've given up on Siri as a family. It doesn't like people who speak the Queen's English or someone with an Italian accent. Nor did it like our children although I'm not holding that against it. Alexa seems to work best if you put on your 'need to order a pint at a Wetherspoons but don't want to be punched in the face' voice so you have to basically mock up some kind of street accent like your Jamie Oliver.

I do generally dread the enforcement of these Silicon Valley tech firms perceived vision of how we should live and speak pervading fully into the real world. The predictive text of Apple has become increasingly more 'street' and dumbed down in taking what you are trying to write and replacing it with more base words that have absolutely no context. Since the iOS9 appeared you can see it at work on so many PH posts where the intended word is changed for some garbage.

I remember walking around the Google campus and going into a few 'offices' and my overriding opinion was that this was probably how the Hitler Youth and many other cults that wanted to force their new world orders into society felt.

There is a commanding undertone of zealotry and fascism in all of these firms and as they get more and more involved in the private transport industry it's going to deliver some big cultural changes.

I'm very happy to recognise that I may be the one out of step but I don't see touch screen controls as an advance over tactile switchgear for essential driving functionality and I've not yet seen any evidence that speech control is anywhere near ready to replace either for core functionality.

[Vanin]

Tuna said:

That's the kicker - at the moment we're "not quite there" with voice interfaces. Alexa works with the help of some heavy duty machinery in the cloud, but still doesn't manage a conversational interface. Recognition is getting much better, but there's still a bit too much of the "guess the secret phrase" game in there to be easy enough for a distraction free environment.

Like "Stop for a break" could perhaps be misinterpreted!

[DonkeyApple]

Vanin said:

Like "Stop for a break" could perhaps be misinterpreted!

'Shop for a cake' righto!!

It'll be like living with Chip Cobb.

https://youtu.be/1JD353rNvT4

[Mr2Mike]

babatunde said:

Screens are by their very nature are configurable to pretty much any extent, so for example, swipe left for heating, right for Mac, up for stereo, down for phone, could become a standard across all cars/Tesla's
I can operate my phone's touch screen to a large extent without looking, of course you are ignoring the facts that
1 voice control is almost here
2 even partly autonomous cars make taking eyes off the road for 10-20 secs immaterial

Touchscreens are, by their very nature, unsuitable for controlling functions in cars. It works on a phone because you hold the entire touchscreen, so your thumb stays in a fixed position even if you get bumped or jiggled around in a car or trains etc. When you have a big screen screwed onto a dashboard, and you reach out with your arm to touch a button, it only takes the slightest jolt to move your finger away from the intended area. You have to look at the screen, taking eyes off the road, in order to find the button you need to press, and then there is no proper feedback when you do press it, other than maybe a simulated click or vibration.

It's bad enough on a little satnav screen, but at least you can physically hold it to stabilise your hand, something not possible with big screen.

That's before you even get onto aesthetics. Just like it does in Mercedes, it looks like a cheap, tacky afterthought with no hint of integration. I can understand the exterior styling being very conservative, but the dashboard is unforgivable.

[Zoon]

DonkeyApple said:

You said 'Only a moron would pay cash for something available with zero percent interest' when the explicit purpose of zero deals is as a sales to attract muppets.

I thought it was designed to sell more products?

[speedking31]

Could be interesting if the kids are playing a voice activated driving game in the back of the car

[rscott]

Mr2Mike said:

babatunde said:

Screens are by their very nature are configurable to pretty much any extent, so for example, swipe left for heating, right for Mac, up for stereo, down for phone, could become a standard across all cars/Tesla's
I can operate my phone's touch screen to a large extent without looking, of course you are ignoring the facts that
1 voice control is almost here
2 even partly autonomous cars make taking eyes off the road for 10-20 secs immaterial

Touchscreens are, by their very nature, unsuitable for controlling functions in cars. It works on a phone because you hold the entire touchscreen, so your thumb stays in a fixed position even if you get bumped or jiggled around in a car or trains etc. When you have a big screen screwed onto a dashboard, and you reach out with your arm to touch a button, it only takes the slightest jolt to move your finger away from the intended area. You have to look at the screen, taking eyes off the road, in order to find the button you need to press, and then there is no proper feedback when you do press it, other than maybe a simulated click or vibration.

It's bad enough on a little satnav screen, but at least you can physically hold it to stabilise your hand, something not possible with big screen.

That's before you even get onto aesthetics. Just like it does in Mercedes, it looks like a cheap, tacky afterthought with no hint of integration. I can understand the exterior styling being very conservative, but the dashboard is unforgivable.

Once this sort of tech - https://www.theverge.com/ces/2017/1/5/14185134/tan... and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-35232827/c... - becomes widely available, it could be a very different matter. You'd be able to 'feel' the virtual buttons.

[tombar]

FurtiveFreddy said:

The only chance that was one of the 'release candidate' 3s would be if they've shipped the one which recently went to New Zealand to the UK. It's possible, but I would have thought it would have been spotted before now and posted on one of the Tesla fan sites.

I've spotted one too. Red, heading westbound on the A55 towards Holyhead last Friday. Definitely a 3. I was a bit suprised to see it!

[sprinty]

I had a pre-order and cancelled, not because I didn't like the product but just because I couldn't be bothered to wait 2 years (UK cars are the last off the line apparently)

Got the money back within a week

Went and bought a 911S that was available now!

EV's are the future no doubt but I just thought "if EVs are the future I want a bit of flat 6 lovelyness right now while I still can!"

[babatunde]

Mr2Mike said:

That's before you even get onto aesthetics. Just like it does in Mercedes, it looks like a cheap, tacky afterthought with no hint of integration. I can understand the exterior styling being very conservative, but the dashboard is unforgivable.

This point I must agree with, the Mercedes tacky tablet solution which is spreading like a virus, is so bad i actually physically cringe each time I get in my sisters car.

[FurtiveFreddy]

tombar said:

I've spotted one too. Red, heading westbound on the A55 towards Holyhead last Friday. Definitely a 3. I was a bit suprised to see it!

We're getting into custard powder territory now!

Again, how are you so sure it as a Model 3?

I'd love to think there were some here, but there's been nothing spotted on the regular Tesla forums and those guys are obsessive...

[kambites]

I'd imagine there has been prototypes on the UK's roads; they need to set the suspension up at some point.

[tombar]

FurtiveFreddy said:

We're getting into custard powder territory now!

Again, how are you so sure it as a Model 3?

I'd love to think there were some here, but there's been nothing spotted on the regular Tesla forums and those guys are obsessive...

I had a good mooch around the other Tesla models at Le Mans and it was definitely a 3, but too fast an approach speed for a photo or for chucking custard! So to speak....

[FurtiveFreddy]

There are plenty of proving grounds around the world which simulate European roads. The rumour about the one sent to NZ was that it was there to test at their SHPG cold weather facility.

They didn't make that many Release Candidates so I doubt they'd send two of them to the UK, whatever the potential reason.

[manracer]

I am (more than) extremely skeptical of any model 3 being in the UK.

I am active on a few Tesla forums and the community went mad when one was spotted at the airport in NZ. No one anywhere in the world has shown a picture of one that isn't in the US or NZ currently.

Until I see a picture I will not believe it.

That's not to say I will 100% apologise IF proven wrong.