Tesla Model 3 revealed

[FurtiveFreddy]

Blaster72 said:

Anyone know if there's some sort of live stream of the Model 3 launch event tomorrow?

Yes, but a bit late (or early depending on your body clock) for us in the UK. Will be starting at 9pm Pacific Time, which is 5 am Saturday morning here.

I'll catch up on YouTube later Saturday morning I think.

[DonkeyApple]

Dazed and Confused said:

DonkeyApple said:

Dazed and Confused said:

DonkeyApple said:

Dazed and Confused said:

How much would it cost to have that installed? Assuming you have a driveway to put it on.

Doesn't really matter because if you don't have a driveway then you obviously have a bus stop within walking distance. So you won't have to waste a load of money on a private EV as you'll be able to hop on one of the communal ones.

Eh? So everyone without a drive way is bus using loser? Have you ever been to London?

Lived in central London all my life. No need for cars there anyway.

Don't know why you think people who use buses are losers.

Londoner. So I really shouldn't have to explain this to you.


I don't think bus users are losers. You seem to. You also seem to think people without driveways don't own cars. Not my fault you made yourself look a bit daft.

Not really. Not owning a driveway is not a problem as everyone will find out over the coming years as transport solutions rapidly evolve under all the planned legislation.

Unfortunately, you are a liar as it is very clear that it is you who referred to bus users as losers. Your statement is clear for all to read above. And it is you who is daft as you cannot comprehend how transport will evolve over the coming years if EVs are forced into the urban market place.

[Blaster72]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Blaster72 said:

Anyone know if there's some sort of live stream of the Model 3 launch event tomorrow?

Yes, but a bit late (or early depending on your body clock) for us in the UK. Will be starting at 9pm Pacific Time, which is 5 am Saturday morning here.

I'll catch up on YouTube later Saturday morning I think.

Ouch, ok thanks that's a bit early for me. I'll catch up with the news on youtube Saturday instead too

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

Lived in central London all my life. No need for cars there anyway.

Apart from when you want to drive to other parts of the country or go for a day out somewhere?

[Jader1973]

Guvernator said:

We've just seen a family saloon from a fledgling car company destroy several purpose built drag cars and people are still whinging.

No we didn't. We saw a modified Tesla run down a track.

What is the lap time for a Tesla round the Nurburgring? I can find 2 articles on that - 10 minutes and it dropped in to low power mode after 3 because it got too hot.

10 minutes is the same time as the Transit van on Top Gear.

Of course for a lot of real world use they are fine but there is the whole infrastructure issue: not just charging but how to manage those who no longer "need" a car e.g. public transport. I put "need" in quotes because I have a feeling that will eventually be legislated somehow i.e. nowhere to park / charge means no license to own a car. Other countries do that today in some form or another.

The fact the latest idea is to ban non-hybrids only by 2040 shows there are concerns about infrastructure for pure EVs.

[manracer]

theplayingmantis said:

manracer said:

I saw that video a few days ago. Impressive regardless of anything.

I do think the tesla bashing comments are getting very boring now though.

Cant wait to get mine!!

someone whose bought a car they haven't even tested or seen in the flesh, and now worrying they've made a mistake getting narky when people who have say its gopping and cramped!

how odd...!


i dont see why people have any reason to lie about seeing one. do the tesla forums have eyes everywhere?


i have no strong opinion on tesla. i don't want an EV so wouldn't buy one.

if i wanted one id get an i8, as i think the 3 is aesthetically bland if not ugly (i know looks are subjective), the s looks like a mondeo, which is ok, and the x is just a mess. if you dont care about aesthetics im sure there fine.

i dont think theres any hate on this thread just rational points from both sides.

what i would say is tesla is a case of marketing over substance. they have successfully pitched themselves as a must have product in the eyes of a certain type of person. That person isnt a petrol head or a rich person, or a full on lentil hugger, a minority group who get all excited about the launch of a computer perhaps or want to be seen to be doing there bit but not in an overt way.

That gave me a good chuckle I'll give you that, but I think everything you wrote is garbage.

[RobDickinson]

Jader1973 said:

No we didn't. We saw a modified Tesla run down a track.

What is the lap time for a Tesla round the Nurburgring? I can find 2 articles on that - 10 minutes and it dropped in to low power mode after 3 because it got too hot.

10 minutes is the same time as the Transit van on Top Gear.

Of course for a lot of real world use they are fine but there is the whole infrastructure issue: not just charging but how to manage those who no longer "need" a car e.g. public transport. I put "need" in quotes because I have a feeling that will eventually be legislated somehow i.e. nowhere to park / charge means no license to own a car. Other countries do that today in some form or another.

The fact the latest idea is to ban non-hybrids only by 2040 shows there are concerns about infrastructure for pure EVs.

Nurburg ring is quite irrelevant to pretty much every single Tesla owner on the planet.

[RobDickinson]

SpaceX now worth $21bm and Tesla market cap at $55bn.

Yet people still think its all a sham....

[Z3MCJez]

Jader1973 said:

The fact the latest idea is to ban non-hybrids only by 2040 shows there are concerns about infrastructure for pure EVs.

You give the Government way more credit than they deserve. 2040 is so ludicrously slow that it will basically have happened by then anyway. You won't be able to buy anything without batteries as a hybrid at least. If a hybrid helps by 20% in traffic then no manufacturer will be able to produce them anyway (for emissions reasons). Not without paying a huge fine. Which is how Ferrari will survive.

Jez

[Jader1973]

RobDickinson said:

Nurburg ring is quite irrelevant to pretty much every single Tesla owner on the planet.

But the drag strip is?

Presumably because it is the one places Tesla is better than an ICE.

[RobDickinson]

Jader1973 said:

But the drag strip is?

Presumably because it is the one places Tesla is better than an ICE.

Yes, short bursts of acceleration is far more useful in modern driving than an overly long track, especially in America where they don't bother with actual corners etc..

[Stormfly1985]

RobDickinson said:

SpaceX now worth $21bm and Tesla market cap at $55bn.

Yet people still think its all a sham....

Chrysler went bankrupt when it was 'worth' $39B

Enron was 'worth' $65B at one point

GM was 'worth' $91B and needed a US government bailout in 2009

Lehman was valued at $691B...

[kambites]

RobDickinson said:

Jader1973 said:

But the drag strip is?

Presumably because it is the one places Tesla is better than an ICE.

Yes, short bursts of acceleration is far more useful in modern driving than an overly long track, especially in America where they don't bother with actual corners etc..

I'd say the times generated at either are utterly irrelevant to 99% of buyers. Quite aside from the whole willy-waving lap time/acceleration figures thing, the 'ring is a useful place to test cars' handling because it's one of few reasonably varied derestricted roads of any length; the problem comes when manufacturers fall into the "faster lap time = better" mindset which has ruined the manners of so many road cars over the years.

[RobDickinson]

Stormfly1985 said:

Chrysler went bankrupt when it was 'worth' $39B

Enron was 'worth' $65B at one point

GM was 'worth' $91B and needed a US government bailout in 2009

Lehman was valued at $691B...

where did I say it was the largest or impossible to sometime fail?

[DonkeyApple]

RobDickinson said:

Stormfly1985 said:

Chrysler went bankrupt when it was 'worth' $39B

Enron was 'worth' $65B at one point

GM was 'worth' $91B and needed a US government bailout in 2009

Lehman was valued at $691B...

where did I say it was the largest or impossible to sometime fail?

To be fair, where didn't you?

Your post did seem to be using market cap to justify a business model as legitimate.

Could you explain what you really meant as I misinterpreted your post also.

[rscott]

Dazed and Confused said:

Farmboy UK said:

Jader1973 said:

And afterwards the GTR owner was able to drive anywhere he wanted, whereas the bloke in the Tesla had to drive home and plug it in for 8 hours, assuming the racing hadn't cooked it.

8 hours? Or 30 minutes on a supercharger

How much would it cost to have that installed? Assuming you have a driveway to put it on.

Why would you need a supercharger at home? Surely the overnight charge fits with most people's lifestyles?

[RobDickinson]

DonkeyApple said:

To be fair, where didn't you?

Your post did seem to be using market cap to justify a business model as legitimate.

Could you explain what you really meant as I misinterpreted your post also.

There are people on here dismiss Tesla and Spacex as not real somehow for some reason.

[Mr2Mike]

RobDickinson said:

Yes, short bursts of acceleration is far more useful in modern driving than an overly long track, especially in America where they don't bother with actual corners etc..

How many people are going to buy a Tesla to strip it out and bait muscle car drivers? Conventional ICE cars provide plenty of acceleration for typical road driving, how often are you going to need 0-60 in 3 seconds? Don't get me wrong, it would be a lot of fun, but it's hardly a 'must have' for your office commute.

[RobDickinson]

Mr2Mike said:

RobDickinson said:

Yes, short bursts of acceleration is far more useful in modern driving than an overly long track, especially in America where they don't bother with actual corners etc..

How many people are going to buy a Tesla to strip it out and bait muscle car drivers? Conventional ICE cars provide plenty of acceleration for typical road driving, how often are you going to need 0-60 in 3 seconds? Don't get me wrong, it would be a lot of fun, but it's hardly a 'must have' for your office commute.

For the P100D its big amg mercs and M5's etc they are competing against in the market.

come on its PH ffs yo dont want a fast car now?

[The Vambo]

Mr2Mike said:

How many people are going to buy a Tesla to strip it out and bait muscle car drivers? Conventional ICE cars provide plenty of acceleration for typical road driving, how often are you going to need 0-60 in 3 seconds? Don't get me wrong, it would be a lot of fun, but it's hardly a 'must have' for your office commute.

On your next commute have a look how many cars are either GT, GTI, R, RS or some "Sport" version, there will be plenty. Every single one of those owners didn't need the extra power/acceleration but they wanted it.