Discussion
NinjaPower said:
It'll be like tuning radio controlled cars in the 1980's... 
You'll be able to buy better batteries, better electric motors, better charger.
Exactly this - motors wound with better quality copper, 11 zillion mAh batteries - good old days all over again! Remember the midnight pumpkin? You'll be able to buy better batteries, better electric motors, better charger.
When you see what diy ev builders are achieving now i think the ev tuning future is very bright, i cant wait to wrap my battery fuse in tinfoil and up the amps until i can smell ozone.
Do i remember correctly was one of the good rc motors a parma violet or something like that?
In glasgow i think the most popular ev mod will be the the one done to the electric meter in the house.
Do i remember correctly was one of the good rc motors a parma violet or something like that?
In glasgow i think the most popular ev mod will be the the one done to the electric meter in the house.
I'm not sure tuning EVs will ever be as big as with ICEs, but modding - yes. There are loads of opportunities to increase range with extra bits of kit (flat wheel hubs, wheel arch covers, etc.). Plus, of course, software add-ons and tweaks like you get for the i3, Leaf (Leafspy) and ZOE (CanZE).
LordFlathead said:
There will be no ICE tuning in less than 10 years because ICE will be finished.
Was there steam engine tuning before it essentially died out?With EVs so few moving parts it makes tuning it a very narrow number of options and few suppliers to do it.
There will be lots of job losses in the ICE modifying fields. A real shame.
I don't think there will be lots of job losses, I expect those specialist tuning firms will start to focus on EV tuning as Saleen has started to already. When your core business is tuning, tuning is your core business and this is an opportunity in a whole new world. Very exciting times ahead as with Tesla now releasing the P100D with a 0-60 time of 2.5 seconds, how much faster can you go?!
http://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/roadster/13964/performa...
http://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/roadster/13964/performa...
LordFlathead said:
I don't think there will be lots of job losses, I expect those specialist tuning firms will start to focus on EV tuning as Saleen has started to already. When your core business is tuning, tuning is your core business and this is an opportunity in a whole new world. Very exciting times ahead as with Tesla now releasing the P100D with a 0-60 time of 2.5 seconds, how much faster can you go?!
http://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/roadster/13964/performa...
Well that's the point how much faster can they go ? It most EVs become 0-100mph in sub 10 seconds where is the tuning need?http://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/roadster/13964/performa...
LordFlathead said:
There will always be a demand for better than average Joe as that is exactly what tuning is all about
But let's say hypothetically every single car is a P100d 2.5 seconds to 60mph how much faster can you go?Also France has had a ban on modifications to performance from as long as I can remember. The risk here is upping the ante so much you could have vehicle fires batteries etc.
The problem is that the materials to make the batteries, speed controller and power wiring aren't cheap. So most cars lower down the range are likely to have wiring and speed controllers that won't cope with additional current.
If your wiring isn't up to the current it will overheat and potentially melt. If your speed controllers contain components not rated for the currents then they will go bang. Same for the motors, go consistently over current rating and they'll die too.
The only other way to tune things would be using cooling mods to try and eke more current without blowing things up.
If higher current capacity is not available in *all* the components in the driveline then upgrades will be difficult and expensive. And it isn't in manufacturers interests to over spec any of these components as there are big cost penalties.
I think the only tuning possibilities will be if the manufacturers run a conservative map for reliability and you take a brave pill and use a map that pushes components to, or over, the edge.
Or, like now, they release slower versions that are only different due to maps.
If your wiring isn't up to the current it will overheat and potentially melt. If your speed controllers contain components not rated for the currents then they will go bang. Same for the motors, go consistently over current rating and they'll die too.
The only other way to tune things would be using cooling mods to try and eke more current without blowing things up.
If higher current capacity is not available in *all* the components in the driveline then upgrades will be difficult and expensive. And it isn't in manufacturers interests to over spec any of these components as there are big cost penalties.
I think the only tuning possibilities will be if the manufacturers run a conservative map for reliability and you take a brave pill and use a map that pushes components to, or over, the edge.
Or, like now, they release slower versions that are only different due to maps.
What if it goes down more of the route of leased batteries as such you COULDNT go above OEM specification.
No clutch to update
No air in to update
No exhaust out to update
No point changing the motors and resale would be zilch
No point changing the batteries cost prohibitive and resale would be zilch
Wheels I guess you could change to make your car look personalised.
Hella lamps will draw from the battery deducting performance.
Remap - it's likely to be already done
EVs are seriously going to cause massive job losses in the servicing repair and modifying of vehicles - what sector will they go into instead?
No clutch to update
No air in to update
No exhaust out to update
No point changing the motors and resale would be zilch
No point changing the batteries cost prohibitive and resale would be zilch
Wheels I guess you could change to make your car look personalised.
Hella lamps will draw from the battery deducting performance.
Remap - it's likely to be already done
EVs are seriously going to cause massive job losses in the servicing repair and modifying of vehicles - what sector will they go into instead?
Welshbeef said:
What if it goes down more of the route of leased batteries as such you COULDNT go above OEM specification.
No clutch to update
No air in to update
No exhaust out to update
No point changing the motors and resale would be zilch
No point changing the batteries cost prohibitive and resale would be zilch
Wheels I guess you could change to make your car look personalised.
Hella lamps will draw from the battery deducting performance.
Remap - it's likely to be already done
EVs are seriously going to cause massive job losses in the servicing repair and modifying of vehicles - what sector will they go into instead?
Dunno. Maybe the French will make EVs that are about the same reliability as their ICE cars and keep mechanics in jobs for life?No clutch to update
No air in to update
No exhaust out to update
No point changing the motors and resale would be zilch
No point changing the batteries cost prohibitive and resale would be zilch
Wheels I guess you could change to make your car look personalised.
Hella lamps will draw from the battery deducting performance.
Remap - it's likely to be already done
EVs are seriously going to cause massive job losses in the servicing repair and modifying of vehicles - what sector will they go into instead?
You could upgrade wiring, speed controllers, controller maps, batteries, motors.... but all have to have improved current/duty ratings to be able to upgrade. Manufacturers are likely to spec each component to the same ratings, so upgrades would be possible but likely require the entire power train and wiring to be upgraded.... at which point you'd just buy a more powerful model.
I think car modifying will change to focus on shape/look and modifying for power will become a thing of the past.
spookly said:
The problem is that the materials to make the batteries, speed controller and power wiring aren't cheap. So most cars lower down the range are likely to have wiring and speed controllers that won't cope with additional current.
If your wiring isn't up to the current it will overheat and potentially melt. If your speed controllers contain components not rated for the currents then they will go bang. Same for the motors, go consistently over current rating and they'll die too.
The only other way to tune things would be using cooling mods to try and eke more current without blowing things up.
If higher current capacity is not available in *all* the components in the driveline then upgrades will be difficult and expensive. And it isn't in manufacturers interests to over spec any of these components as there are big cost penalties.
I think the only tuning possibilities will be if the manufacturers run a conservative map for reliability and you take a brave pill and use a map that pushes components to, or over, the edge.
Or, like now, they release slower versions that are only different due to maps.
So a bit like conventional ICE tuning then where you need to change your head to a stage 3 to make it flow better, add a bigger turbo to make more boost, enlarge your intercooler to prevent detonation, new ECU to increase timings, more advanced ignition curve due to better fuel etc etc Triggers' Broom springs to mind. Look at a proper racing car.. nothing is standard and everything has been modified.If your wiring isn't up to the current it will overheat and potentially melt. If your speed controllers contain components not rated for the currents then they will go bang. Same for the motors, go consistently over current rating and they'll die too.
The only other way to tune things would be using cooling mods to try and eke more current without blowing things up.
If higher current capacity is not available in *all* the components in the driveline then upgrades will be difficult and expensive. And it isn't in manufacturers interests to over spec any of these components as there are big cost penalties.
I think the only tuning possibilities will be if the manufacturers run a conservative map for reliability and you take a brave pill and use a map that pushes components to, or over, the edge.
Or, like now, they release slower versions that are only different due to maps.
Welshbeef said:
What if it goes down more of the route of leased batteries as such you COULDNT go above OEM specification.
No clutch to update
No air in to update
No exhaust out to update
No point changing the motors and resale would be zilch
No point changing the batteries cost prohibitive and resale would be zilch
Wheels I guess you could change to make your car look personalised.
Hella lamps will draw from the battery deducting performance.
Remap - it's likely to be already done
EVs are seriously going to cause massive job losses in the servicing repair and modifying of vehicles - what sector will they go into instead?
"No point changing the motors and resale would be zilch" Well that has never bothered millions of car tuners so far, you can find thousands of modified cars in the classifieds that have had serious modifications yet no owner expects to see their money back.No clutch to update
No air in to update
No exhaust out to update
No point changing the motors and resale would be zilch
No point changing the batteries cost prohibitive and resale would be zilch
Wheels I guess you could change to make your car look personalised.
Hella lamps will draw from the battery deducting performance.
Remap - it's likely to be already done
EVs are seriously going to cause massive job losses in the servicing repair and modifying of vehicles - what sector will they go into instead?
"Hella lamps will draw from the battery deducting performance. " Most EV's have LED headlights - they are brighter and half the energy.
An electric vehicle has only 17 moving parts (or at least my Zoe has according to the advert) so tuning items will become very specialised requiring specific skill-sets but the technology will advance rapdily.
Today's EVs have battery capacity issues. OK, I'm generalising here, but a Leaf or Zoe has a range of about 100 miles per charge. On top of that, their capacity probably drops by 10% per annum. Over the next couple of years we're going to see a lot more used EVs on the market with sub 50-mile ranges due to their raging batteries. Battery technology IS improving every year. That gives EV-fiddlers options of fitting new packs to increase range or decrease weight. Performance gains are attainable with tweaks to power controllers, but I don't know anyone who's got big enough balls to try it. There's no reason why for example a Zoe couldn't be tweaked to give sub 5-second 0-60 times with enough money to bung at it.
Basically, EV tuning could become very popular with the cheaper end of the EV market, but not with the already-awesome Teslas. Likewise, in my youth the 'Joe Bloggs' ICE home tuner was more likely to be the owner of an Escort, Capri or Cavalier than owning a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini.
Basically, EV tuning could become very popular with the cheaper end of the EV market, but not with the already-awesome Teslas. Likewise, in my youth the 'Joe Bloggs' ICE home tuner was more likely to be the owner of an Escort, Capri or Cavalier than owning a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini.
LordFlathead said:
There will be no ICE tuning in less than 10 years because ICE will be finished.
Really? I hope that's bank holiday beer speaking. the ICE will be around for generations still. Even when it has no 'use' people will want one for all the things electric motors don't have. Noise, feeling, drama, smell, connection etc etc.Andy Allenton said:
Today's EVs have battery capacity issues. OK, I'm generalising here, but a Leaf or Zoe has a range of about 100 miles per charge. On top of that, their capacity probably drops by 10% per annum. Over the next couple of years we're going to see a lot more used EVs on the market with sub 50-mile ranges due to their raging batteries. Battery technology IS improving every year. That gives EV-fiddlers options of fitting new packs to increase range or decrease weight. Performance gains are attainable with tweaks to power controllers, but I don't know anyone who's got big enough balls to try it. There's no reason why for example a Zoe couldn't be tweaked to give sub 5-second 0-60 times with enough money to bung at it.
Basically, EV tuning could become very popular with the cheaper end of the EV market, but not with the already-awesome Teslas. Likewise, in my youth the 'Joe Bloggs' ICE home tuner was more likely to be the owner of an Escort, Capri or Cavalier than owning a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini.
Exactly Basically, EV tuning could become very popular with the cheaper end of the EV market, but not with the already-awesome Teslas. Likewise, in my youth the 'Joe Bloggs' ICE home tuner was more likely to be the owner of an Escort, Capri or Cavalier than owning a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini.
jason61c said:
LordFlathead said:
There will be no ICE tuning in less than 10 years because ICE will be finished.
Really? I hope that's bank holiday beer speaking. the ICE will be around for generations still. Even when it has no 'use' people will want one for all the things electric motors don't have. Noise, feeling, drama, smell, connection etc etc. I think ICE will be kept around for entertainment use like Santa Pod etc. I agree with everything you say but once you've lived with an EV it grows on you. I am fortunate in that I've had some nice cars (and a lot that are not so nice!) but my classic Porsche has not come out of storage for two years now and it can stay there for the moment. It's a whole new experience with an EV and you need to own one to see the benefits. I can't wait until the big tuners start turning out off the shelf performance parts for EV's I will buy them Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff