Tesla Model X - a hit in the UK?
Discussion
ruggedscotty said:
Ive always found the tesla fanboys strange. yep I get the tesla thing and the cars are a paradigm shift but it is no excuse for bad management.
in isolation with no reference to others people or cars look at the cold hard facts....
Tesla made a Gull wing door.
they made it automatic.
they put in safety devices to ensure that it didn't hurt people or damage other objects beside it when it operated.
they then had snagging issues with it, they didn't fully test it so didn't discover the issues until it was out in the public domain.
door started to misbehave
tesla covertly turned it off
is that the actions you expect from a company.....
sadly not. its despicable and wrong.
I'm no particular fan of Tesla. They're fin isolation with no reference to others people or cars look at the cold hard facts....
Tesla made a Gull wing door.
they made it automatic.
they put in safety devices to ensure that it didn't hurt people or damage other objects beside it when it operated.
they then had snagging issues with it, they didn't fully test it so didn't discover the issues until it was out in the public domain.
door started to misbehave
tesla covertly turned it off
is that the actions you expect from a company.....
sadly not. its despicable and wrong.
k ugly to look at, and I wouldn't want one myself as I wouldn't want to head off on holiday knowing I was going to be driving 600 miles through France without knowing if I was going to be able to charge the thing up without waiting for a couple of hours behind a queue of other people doing the same thing.I only started commenting on this thread as I felt it absurd that people were basically saying that you'd have to be insane to buy one as they're inferior in every way to anything else which costs the same amount. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what else there is on the market that can take 5 people and the family dog from 0-60 in under 3 seconds.
My comments with regards to the door closing mechanism have absolutely nothing to do with being a Tesla fan, and everything to do with the modern obsession with having safety gizmos for absolutely f
king everything!Quite frankly, if you're not able to open and close the door of a car, gullwing or otherwise, without chopping your fingers or your kids' fingers off without an electronic safety gizmo, then you've got absolutely no place being behind the steering wheel of anything heavier or more powerful than a plastic pushalong Noddy car in the first place!
OK, so Tesla put in some sensors to pander to the paranoid obsessive H&S brigade. They didn't work, so they turned them off. Boo-hoo, what a shame. OK, they could've done a better job of managing the PR around it, but the very fact that they felt compelled to fit the sodding things in the first place so that their owners could delegate responsibility for their children growing up with a complete complement of digits is just utterly ludicrous!
As the old absurdity goes, the best possibly safety device you could fit to a car is a six inch sharpened steel spike in the middle of the steering wheel. You claimed earlier that safety equipment doesn't make people complacent. I think if you truly believe that, you're more complacent than most.
Kermit power said:
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what else there is on the market that can take 5 people and the family dog from 0-60 in under 3 seconds.
You keep repeating this, as if it's pretty much the only reason to buy one. Fun the first few times, then you realise that you're caning the battery and it's just a little bit pointless.Trabi601 said:
Kermit power said:
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what else there is on the market that can take 5 people and the family dog from 0-60 in under 3 seconds.
You keep repeating this, as if it's pretty much the only reason to buy one. Fun the first few times, then you realise that you're caning the battery and it's just a little bit pointless.Kermit power said:
I'm no particular fan of Tesla. They're fk ugly to look at,
After seeing how many Model X's are now on the road in Amsterdam and Oslo, i guess you'll be in the minority when they're lining the streets for the school run in West London. Apparently it's the "Yummy Mummy must have" for 2017?k ugly to look at,Candellara said:
Kermit power said:
I'm no particular fan of Tesla. They're fk ugly to look at,
After seeing how many Model X's are now on the road in Amsterdam and Oslo, i guess you'll be in the minority when they're lining the streets for the school run in West London. Apparently it's the "Yummy Mummy must have" for 2017?k ugly to look at,I open the door to my bathroom, thats fine and dandy, Im doing the opening and in control of the door. However the tesla door went further and they made it automatic. This is where it deviates. A soon as you relinquish control to automation then you need to ensure that there is something in place to cover that fact. This is what tesla did, went from manual to auto then added in safety devices. safety device didnt work so they then removed the safety device but left the door operating automatically.
Its more than health and safety, accidents happen people get it wrong time to time and on this occasion there is a risk that the child may loose their fingers. id rather the safety features that were in built are kept there. not disabled as they cant get them to work.
Its more than health and safety, accidents happen people get it wrong time to time and on this occasion there is a risk that the child may loose their fingers. id rather the safety features that were in built are kept there. not disabled as they cant get them to work.
red_slr said:
I have a test drive tomorrow, anyone know (don't all laugh at once) if there are any discounts to be had? Seems the standard car is basically £15k short of the actual spec to get all the tech, i.e autopilot £5k, prem pack £5k and another £3k for self driving and £1k for winter pack.
Discounts.. only thing you can do is use a referral code, mine is here and gets about £750 offhttp://tesla.savemylegs.com/before.php#discount
I'd be tempted to look at inventory they have and maybe even a used one.
Heres Johnny said:
red_slr said:
I have a test drive tomorrow, anyone know (don't all laugh at once) if there are any discounts to be had? Seems the standard car is basically £15k short of the actual spec to get all the tech, i.e autopilot £5k, prem pack £5k and another £3k for self driving and £1k for winter pack.
Discounts.. only thing you can do is use a referral code, mine is here and gets about £750 offhttp://tesla.savemylegs.com/before.php#discount
I'd be tempted to look at inventory they have and maybe even a used one.
red_slr said:
I have a test drive tomorrow, anyone know (don't all laugh at once) if there are any discounts to be had? Seems the standard car is basically £15k short of the actual spec to get all the tech, i.e autopilot £5k, prem pack £5k and another £3k for self driving and £1k for winter pack.
I wouldn't bother the prem pack on the X. For £5k you get some extra interior LEDs which you can retrofit your self as all the wiring is in place already, front doors are powered anyways even without the prem pack, I had the HEPA fitted and bio defence mode activated for £203. So essentially your paying £5k for bits of alcentra trim and some side turning lights.
The used/inventory cars may come with 'free for life' supercharging and if reg before April VED cost is £0 versus 5 years of £40k new car tax.
However if you order new now than delivery wouldn't be till summer, by than Tesla may introduce some new features to the X to help justify the high price compared to the Model 3.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 6th May 17:20
Heres Johnny said:
How did you get the hepa filter activated?
Tesla offered it as an retrofit back in Jan 2017. I called up Birmingham service centre as soon as I saw the offer, managed to speak to the head of service who ordered it for me. Initial quote for fitting was £750 but by the time my car was delivered Tesla had pulled the retrofit. So I was charged for the price of a HEPA filter only, which is £203. But they still activated 'Bio weapon defence' mode on my car.
So I think my X is probably the only UK car with Bioweapon defence mode activated but not have the premium pack option fitted
... But am pretty sure even though Tesla have pulled the offer you can ask them to fit just the HEPA filter, the actual software change is minimal, all the button seems to do is put the fan up to 9, turn aircon on, and turn cabin recirculation off.
Oh and it really does work, but Elon should have called it 'Small people poo poo smell remover', given the function of SUVs is to mainly transport lots of little people who don't have full bowel control at all times. Trust me on this, its the kind of experience am sure all parents can relate too, and even my wife agreed it was a worthwhile upgrade after the first time we used the mode in anger!!
http://electrek.co/2017/01/28/tesla-hepa-air-filer...
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 7th May 05:46
gangzoom said:
Tesla offered it as an retrofit back in Jan 2017. I called up Birmingham service centre as soon as I saw the offer, managed to speak to the head of service who ordered it for me.
Initial quote for fitting was £750 but by the time my car was delivered Tesla had pulled the retrofit. So I was charged for the price of a HEPA filter only, which is £203. But they still activated 'Bio weapon defence' mode on my car.
So I think my X is probably the only UK car with Bioweapon defence mode activated but not have the premium pack option fitted...
But am pretty sure even though Tesla have pulled the offer you can ask them to fit just the HEPA filter, the actual software change is minimal, all the button seems to do is put the fan up to 9, turn aircon on, and turn cabin recirculation off.
Oh and it really does work, but Elon should have called it 'Small people poo poo smell remover', given the function of SUVs is to mainly transport lots of little people who don't have full bowel control at all times. Trust me on this, its the kind of experience am sure all parents can relate too, and even my wife agreed it was a worthwhile upgrade after the first time we used the mode in anger!!
http://electrek.co/2017/01/28/tesla-hepa-air-filer...
Thanks, not seen anybody mention it on the various uk tesla forums before, but then half the time they just post pictures of their badly parked car or ask the same question regarding charging.Initial quote for fitting was £750 but by the time my car was delivered Tesla had pulled the retrofit. So I was charged for the price of a HEPA filter only, which is £203. But they still activated 'Bio weapon defence' mode on my car.
So I think my X is probably the only UK car with Bioweapon defence mode activated but not have the premium pack option fitted
... But am pretty sure even though Tesla have pulled the offer you can ask them to fit just the HEPA filter, the actual software change is minimal, all the button seems to do is put the fan up to 9, turn aircon on, and turn cabin recirculation off.
Oh and it really does work, but Elon should have called it 'Small people poo poo smell remover', given the function of SUVs is to mainly transport lots of little people who don't have full bowel control at all times. Trust me on this, its the kind of experience am sure all parents can relate too, and even my wife agreed it was a worthwhile upgrade after the first time we used the mode in anger!!
http://electrek.co/2017/01/28/tesla-hepa-air-filer...
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 7th May 05:46
Well test drive done. Good experience but not perfect.
I thought the ride was pretty harsh. I was shocked there was no comfort setting on the suspension only ride height adjust. Interior was pretty poor quality wise, I was expecting a lot better. There were quite a few rattles and squeaks.
Performance was good, not mind blowing which I was a surprise. That said I don't think I got chance to really use WOT.
Dealership were very laid back which I liked and I got the feeling they were more tech people than car people which was also interesting.
Considering putting the deposit on the model 3 just for the fun of it. The sales guy said we would be well into 2019 now.
Model X - not sure, I think our main issue right now is it wont fit in the garage as its over 5m long.
I thought the ride was pretty harsh. I was shocked there was no comfort setting on the suspension only ride height adjust. Interior was pretty poor quality wise, I was expecting a lot better. There were quite a few rattles and squeaks.
Performance was good, not mind blowing which I was a surprise. That said I don't think I got chance to really use WOT.
Dealership were very laid back which I liked and I got the feeling they were more tech people than car people which was also interesting.
Considering putting the deposit on the model 3 just for the fun of it. The sales guy said we would be well into 2019 now.
Model X - not sure, I think our main issue right now is it wont fit in the garage as its over 5m long.
Heres Johnny said:
Thanks, not seen anybody mention it on the various uk tesla forums before, but then half the time they just post pictures of their badly parked car or ask the same question regarding charging.
The face book group and various forums as OK but some of the questions asked really are very simple. Actually quite amazed people spend £100k+ on a car and not know they wouldn't get the NEDC range, or have no idea usable kWh is not the same as the label/badge on the back of the cars. The American TMC site is worth keeping an eye on, they have forum members with real skill running around in hacked Teslas with different batteries/motor set ups.
Actually cannot wait till someone in the UK gets involved with modding the motor control units in these cars. Even the non 'P`motors are capable of 400bhp+ each at the crank. Tesla previously had claimed the non P cars were power restricted due to lower voltage, this is clearly marketing BS as this guy was able to extract way beyond 400bhp using two volt battery packs.
Am pretty sure even the non 'P' Tesla cars are actually capable of delivering near supercar beating 0-60 times, but for marketing reasons their performance is software limited. After all if a £60k base 75D can get to 60 in sub 4 seconds you have to be really really obsessed with drag racing to go and spend an extra £60k on a P100D to better than time by 1 second!!
https://youtu.be/WDu9HpPD8VY
gangzoom said:
Heres Johnny said:
Thanks, not seen anybody mention it on the various uk tesla forums before, but then half the time they just post pictures of their badly parked car or ask the same question regarding charging.
The face book group and various forums as OK but some of the questions asked really are very simple. Actually quite amazed people spend £100k+ on a car and not know they wouldn't get the NEDC range, or have no idea usable kWh is not the same as the label/badge on the back of the cars. The American TMC site is worth keeping an eye on, they have forum members with real skill running around in hacked Teslas with different batteries/motor set ups.
Actually cannot wait till someone in the UK gets involved with modding the motor control units in these cars. Even the non 'P`motors are capable of 400bhp+ each at the crank. Tesla previously had claimed the non P cars were power restricted due to lower voltage, this is clearly marketing BS as this guy was able to extract way beyond 400bhp using two volt battery packs.
Am pretty sure even the non 'P' Tesla cars are actually capable of delivering near supercar beating 0-60 times, but for marketing reasons their performance is software limited. After all if a £60k base 75D can get to 60 in sub 4 seconds you have to be really really obsessed with drag racing to go and spend an extra £60k on a P100D to better than time by 1 second!!
https://youtu.be/WDu9HpPD8VY
Its a bit like a remap I suppose, turn your turbo up to 11 and your ICE car will be faster...but bits of it might expire very quickly.
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