how long till hybrid lorries

[familyguy1]

Cycling to work this morning it struck me (in the lungs)

An electric motor and batteries could do the stop start portion of the driving, which is when lorries seem to kick out the most fumes and I imagine engine braking could regen ALOT to refill the batteries.

I'm sure its on the way, but it just seems a long way off for the smaller lorries we see around town causing a lot of pollution.

[TooMany2cvs]

7.5t here now.
http://canter.co.uk/eco_hybrid

Renault/Volvo were playing with bigger hybrids five years ago.
http://thechargingpoint.azurewebsites.net/news/UK-...
http://transportoperator.co.uk/2013/05/10/volvo-pu...

The fact they've not got any further suggests it's Not Quite That Simple...

[familyguy1]

interesting, thanks, I guess its got to trickle down and the hybrids are more expensive and complex.

[anonymous-user]

There`s an electric truck that delivers to our office sometimes. It has scared the crap out of me a few times as it just seems to appear next to you while crossing the road

[TooMany2cvs]

familyguy1 said:

interesting, thanks, I guess its got to trickle down and the hybrids are more expensive and complex.

The hybrid buses in London don't appear to have been an unmitigated technical success.

[anonymous-user]

For prime-movers doing local delivery type operations then heavy hybridisation, exhaust heat recovery, or full Electrification makes a lot of sense (low average speed, lots of stop starting), but for longer distance inter-city operations then alternate solutions are starting to be developed:

[bmw320ci]

Seems Tesla is building a semi too

https://electrek.co/2017/06/07/tesla-semi-producti...
Pure Electric
https://nikolamotor.com/one
Hybrid
100% ZERO EMISSIONS
HYDROGEN POWERED
800 - 1,200 MILE RANGE
15 MINUTE REFILL TIME
NEVER PLUG IN
100% ELECTRIC DRIVE
THE END OF DIESEL ENGINES
1/2 THE OPERATING COST COMPARED TO DIESEL
2,000 FT. LBS TORQUE
1,000 HORSEPOWER
320 kWh BATTERY
1 MILLION MILES FREE* HYDROGEN FUEL
REGENERATIVE BRAKING
NO COMPETITION

[Otispunkmeyer]

Pretty sure Volvo have a Hybrid FM/FH model

Mercedes are doing a run of their Urban eTruck (26T 3 Axle rigid)

Tevva Motors in the UK will sell you a converted range extended box van at 7T and they're making a 14T version. Its purely driven by EV drive train with a 1.6 Duratorq or 1.5 EcoBoost range extender.

Similarly, Magtec in Sheffield will rip the guts from your truck (again some small 7T jobbie) and replace it all with motors and batteries.


Many cities now are looking at clean air zones, ultra low emission zones and even zero emission zones. So OEMs and suppliers are looking at ways to enable EV only when travelling in these zones. They won't need mega range to do this so it should be quite doable.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Max_Torque said:

For prime-movers doing local delivery type operations then heavy hybridisation, exhaust heat recovery, or full Electrification makes a lot of sense (low average speed, lots of stop starting), but for longer distance inter-city operations then alternate solutions are starting to be developed:

That is mental

I like the US's super truck program. They've had trucks up to 55% overall efficiency, which is good going (Turbo compounding, WHR, aero etc etc).

I also believe there is real possibility that HD trucking moves to CNG/LNG first before EV stuff really becomes available and is applicable to all the applications. Gas is still a fossil fuel of course, but its the cleanest fuel going, esepcially in terms of NOx and PM. There is also the possibility realise about 10% CO2 reduction (Think in theory its 23% but that assumes you get the same energy efficiency, which you don't because the engines have lower compression ratios and are less efficient).

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 30th June 13:54

[Otispunkmeyer]

TooMany2cvs said:

7.5t here now.
http://canter.co.uk/eco_hybrid

Renault/Volvo were playing with bigger hybrids five years ago.
http://thechargingpoint.azurewebsites.net/news/UK-...
http://transportoperator.co.uk/2013/05/10/volvo-pu...

The fact they've not got any further suggests it's Not Quite That Simple...

Gross weight limits and vehicle size limits play a part as do all the emissions kit on them these days (i.e. there isn't much space to add extra things onto the chassis).

If the hybrid system adds another ton to the tractor, then its one less ton you can haul on the trailer and you can't readily extend the chassis because you might overstep the length limits.

[metelmickey]

i work for dennis eagle witch at the moment working on an all electric refuse truck, the trucks at the moment are euro-6 engines and are more clean than most cars out there.

[vsonix]

This is a really good question and actually it boggles me as to why the common domestic motorist is forced to adopt these expensive new technologies when it's the HGVs that consume the most fuel and emit the most noxious toxins, and are in daily use. Surely the cleanup process should start with the trucks and buses, then filter down to domestic users..?

[amancalledrob]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Max_Torque said:

For prime-movers doing local delivery type operations then heavy hybridisation, exhaust heat recovery, or full Electrification makes a lot of sense (low average speed, lots of stop starting), but for longer distance inter-city operations then alternate solutions are starting to be developed:

That is mental

I like the US's super truck program. They've had trucks up to 55% overall efficiency, which is good going (Turbo compounding, WHR, aero etc etc).

I also believe there is real possibility that HD trucking moves to CNG/LNG first before EV stuff really becomes available and is applicable to all the applications. Gas is still a fossil fuel of course, but its the cleanest fuel going, esepcially in terms of NOx and PM. There is also the possibility realise about 10% CO2 reduction (Think in theory its 23% but that assumes you get the same energy efficiency, which you don't because the engines have lower compression ratios and are less efficient).

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 30th June 13:54

At first glance I was sure it was not only mental but also completely made up, however a quick Google has proved me wrong. And left me very enlightened

https://www.siemens.com/innovation/en/home/picture...

[Willy Nilly]

Weight will be the main issue. A tonne of fuel will take you a long way. When you start adding batteries you decrease the amount of cargo you can carry.

[colin79666]

Quite a few diesel electric hybrid buses around these parts but as said above it works well due to the city stop/start driving rather than longer motorway runs. For trucks doing shorter runs a plugin hybrid might work - e.g. supermarket deliveries where the truck goes up to 100 miles then sits in a yard for an hour while tipped.

[Glasgowrob]

John Lewis are using dual fuel trucks are they not

[TooMany2cvs]

Glasgowrob said:

John Lewis are using dual fuel trucks are they not

Diesel/CNG.

[JonnyVTEC]

Refuse trunks and UPS are ideal for the hydraulic systems too, heavy duty kit operated by fleets rather than joe Bloggs.

[Dr Jekyll]

There were IC/Electric hybrid buses on London roads 100 years ago, so I'd be surprised if there weren't a few trucks.

[mickthemechanic]

Hybrid buses are no problem. Some truck applications like refuse collection as mentioned are ok. General HGV trucks are a bit of a problem as there is not enough regeneration opportunities so you end up lugging a big flat battery around using more fuel .

Edited by mickthemechanic on Saturday 1st July 17:58