Tesla Ups and Downs
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imagine what??? Am I missing something obvious?
Also, re the OP. There's clearly something wrong with your dads car, a 90D should certainly be getting more than 200 miles range, my 75D gets 260 miles, so I really don't know what's going on there, what is his average m/kwh?
Finally.........that youtube video........James and Kate are great channel to subscribe to. Down to earth and I think he's an AA man (she could be also) so no surprise she was able to dismantle the MS so easily.
Also, re the OP. There's clearly something wrong with your dads car, a 90D should certainly be getting more than 200 miles range, my 75D gets 260 miles, so I really don't know what's going on there, what is his average m/kwh?
Finally.........that youtube video........James and Kate are great channel to subscribe to. Down to earth and I think he's an AA man (she could be also) so no surprise she was able to dismantle the MS so easily.
I've had variable but mainly positive experiences so far. I was considering a Model X to replace my Rangie. I took a long test drive from home (before the Cambridge branch opened) - excellent service. The chap who turned up was enthusiastic and knowledgeable.
However, it wasn't a Range Rover replacement.
But it might suit my wife.
The thing is, I'd just bought her a PHEV and I know she wouldn't want to change so soon. But, there would be a moment when she'd regret not having a 7 seater car (a requirement about 2x per year) and that would be the moment. I explained this to the sales chap. He got it.
In the meantime, I'd been trying to get a car for the weekend so my wife could try it in her own time - the Tesla test drives are full-on geek fests (or my one was) and that would kill it stone dead. Some emails went unanswered but I was playing the long game here.
Well this weekend she was cursing not having a 7 seater. I phoned the dealer - "your moment has come - get a car to me in the next few days and you will probably have a sale".
Suddenly, it is very difficult. No car available unless we come in on a day that doesn't suit. Oh well. Another six months, then.
However, it wasn't a Range Rover replacement.
But it might suit my wife.
The thing is, I'd just bought her a PHEV and I know she wouldn't want to change so soon. But, there would be a moment when she'd regret not having a 7 seater car (a requirement about 2x per year) and that would be the moment. I explained this to the sales chap. He got it.
In the meantime, I'd been trying to get a car for the weekend so my wife could try it in her own time - the Tesla test drives are full-on geek fests (or my one was) and that would kill it stone dead. Some emails went unanswered but I was playing the long game here.
Well this weekend she was cursing not having a 7 seater. I phoned the dealer - "your moment has come - get a car to me in the next few days and you will probably have a sale".
Suddenly, it is very difficult. No car available unless we come in on a day that doesn't suit. Oh well. Another six months, then.
Well I picked up a Model X yesterday, so literally straight from a BMW into the Tesla (BMW is still in the Tesla car park to picked up by the lease company).
I have to say so far so good, the service has been good at the very least on par with BMW.
The quality of the interior is good, maybe not S class or Porsche good but similar to BMW/Audi/Mercedes, I will admit I was concerned after some of the things you read but then again they would not be the first manufacturer to go through bad batches (my father in law will never buy a Merc again).
I enjoyed getting the see the assembly plant in Tilburg (geeky but I like these things), drove 100km home in a mix of motorway and rush hour traffic around a city and nothing fell off or squeaked.
Post diesel I feel like I only have a qtr of tank of fuel but when I went from a 911 to diesel BMW it was the opposite way around. Over the next 2 weeks I have a couple of trips to the Germen office and a day of two of meetings in some Dutch cities (small roads and tiny parking spaces) so should get a feel for the thing quickly.
Davie
I have to say so far so good, the service has been good at the very least on par with BMW.
The quality of the interior is good, maybe not S class or Porsche good but similar to BMW/Audi/Mercedes, I will admit I was concerned after some of the things you read but then again they would not be the first manufacturer to go through bad batches (my father in law will never buy a Merc again).
I enjoyed getting the see the assembly plant in Tilburg (geeky but I like these things), drove 100km home in a mix of motorway and rush hour traffic around a city and nothing fell off or squeaked.
Post diesel I feel like I only have a qtr of tank of fuel but when I went from a 911 to diesel BMW it was the opposite way around. Over the next 2 weeks I have a couple of trips to the Germen office and a day of two of meetings in some Dutch cities (small roads and tiny parking spaces) so should get a feel for the thing quickly.
Davie
superstreek said:
Well I picked up a Model X yesterday, so literally straight from a BMW into the Tesla (BMW is still in the Tesla car park to picked up by the lease company).
I have to say so far so good, the service has been good at the very least on par with BMW.
The quality of the interior is good, maybe not S class or Porsche good but similar to BMW/Audi/Mercedes, I will admit I was concerned after some of the things you read but then again they would not be the first manufacturer to go through bad batches (my father in law will never buy a Merc again).
I enjoyed getting the see the assembly plant in Tilburg (geeky but I like these things), drove 100km home in a mix of motorway and rush hour traffic around a city and nothing fell off or squeaked.
Post diesel I feel like I only have a qtr of tank of fuel but when I went from a 911 to diesel BMW it was the opposite way around. Over the next 2 weeks I have a couple of trips to the Germen office and a day of two of meetings in some Dutch cities (small roads and tiny parking spaces) so should get a feel for the thing quickly.
Davie
I hope yours has been built well. There are various lists floating around in things to double check but they're largely alignment and gaps of all doors, panels, trim etc, rubber seals having gaps, rough, twisted etc, front wheels rubbing the wheel loner on full lock, and check all the seats and door cards for damage, smoothness etc. You'd be unlucky to get more than one or two problems but these are the common areas, but certainly worth spending a bit of time.I have to say so far so good, the service has been good at the very least on par with BMW.
The quality of the interior is good, maybe not S class or Porsche good but similar to BMW/Audi/Mercedes, I will admit I was concerned after some of the things you read but then again they would not be the first manufacturer to go through bad batches (my father in law will never buy a Merc again).
I enjoyed getting the see the assembly plant in Tilburg (geeky but I like these things), drove 100km home in a mix of motorway and rush hour traffic around a city and nothing fell off or squeaked.
Post diesel I feel like I only have a qtr of tank of fuel but when I went from a 911 to diesel BMW it was the opposite way around. Over the next 2 weeks I have a couple of trips to the Germen office and a day of two of meetings in some Dutch cities (small roads and tiny parking spaces) so should get a feel for the thing quickly.
Davie
superstreek said:
Well I picked up a Model X yesterday, so literally straight from a BMW into the Tesla (BMW is still in the Tesla car park to picked up by the lease company).
I have to say so far so good, the service has been good at the very least on par with BMW.
The quality of the interior is good, maybe not S class or Porsche good but similar to BMW/Audi/Mercedes, I will admit I was concerned after some of the things you read but then again they would not be the first manufacturer to go through bad batches (my father in law will never buy a Merc again).
I enjoyed getting the see the assembly plant in Tilburg (geeky but I like these things), drove 100km home in a mix of motorway and rush hour traffic around a city and nothing fell off or squeaked.
Post diesel I feel like I only have a qtr of tank of fuel but when I went from a 911 to diesel BMW it was the opposite way around. Over the next 2 weeks I have a couple of trips to the Germen office and a day of two of meetings in some Dutch cities (small roads and tiny parking spaces) so should get a feel for the thing quickly.
Davie
I think these real life ownership threads give us a much better insight than any number of journalist reviews. so please keep us updated as to the Good Bad and Ugly I have to say so far so good, the service has been good at the very least on par with BMW.
The quality of the interior is good, maybe not S class or Porsche good but similar to BMW/Audi/Mercedes, I will admit I was concerned after some of the things you read but then again they would not be the first manufacturer to go through bad batches (my father in law will never buy a Merc again).
I enjoyed getting the see the assembly plant in Tilburg (geeky but I like these things), drove 100km home in a mix of motorway and rush hour traffic around a city and nothing fell off or squeaked.
Post diesel I feel like I only have a qtr of tank of fuel but when I went from a 911 to diesel BMW it was the opposite way around. Over the next 2 weeks I have a couple of trips to the Germen office and a day of two of meetings in some Dutch cities (small roads and tiny parking spaces) so should get a feel for the thing quickly.
Davie
Will try to keep the updates coming or start another thread.
Due to an unforeseen scheduling change I have now done 220km since picking the X up yesterday and experienced the first parking in small underground car park, it is long but fitted OK. Weird sensation driving in with the screen going over your head.
Cons so far
Missing the heads up display and overhead camera via for parking but will see how I get used to it.
Dog got very confused when I walked by this morning and door opened
Pros so far
Stereo is very good
Davie
Due to an unforeseen scheduling change I have now done 220km since picking the X up yesterday and experienced the first parking in small underground car park, it is long but fitted OK. Weird sensation driving in with the screen going over your head.
Cons so far
Missing the heads up display and overhead camera via for parking but will see how I get used to it.
Dog got very confused when I walked by this morning and door opened
Pros so far
Stereo is very good
Davie
gangzoom said:
Biggest running cost of any car is deprecation, Tesla is no different, no one really knows how prices will hold up longterm, but 50% 'loss' on initial spend over 3 year is as good as anyone guess. Doesn't matter if you pay cash or finance, your still paying for deprecation one way or another.
That aside actual day to day running cost.....apart from insurance and tyres, it's pretty much nothing. You wouldn't notice the change in your electricity bill if your using E7, and there is no obligation to service the thing. Older cars are VED exempt, and long distance trips cost £0 in fuel.
But all of the above savings is really is peanuts compared to cost of deprecation, but than again unless you buy a garage queen or a £500 banger deprecation is something you cannot get away from in any car.
I am on my second Tesla, hit 24,000 miles in 6 months with the new one.That aside actual day to day running cost.....apart from insurance and tyres, it's pretty much nothing. You wouldn't notice the change in your electricity bill if your using E7, and there is no obligation to service the thing. Older cars are VED exempt, and long distance trips cost £0 in fuel.
But all of the above savings is really is peanuts compared to cost of deprecation, but than again unless you buy a garage queen or a £500 banger deprecation is something you cannot get away from in any car.
Depreciation and running costs of the first one.
Purchased at full list price Jan 2015 £72,000, £5,000 credit from HMRC so £67,000.
Bought through my company so 100% write down in year one for a £13,400 reduction in corporation tax so net cost £53,600
Benefit in kind cost year one ZERO. Benefit in kind cost in year two around £700 from memory so add that in and the cost of ownership for 2 years running at £54,300.
No road tax for 2 years. £10 per year to register for congestion charge exemption
I drove just over 53,000 miles and most of the time used the supercharger network but I did charge at home sometimes, at a cost of about £6 a time. I'm guessing I charged once or twice a week in full so lets max that out at circa £1,200 for electricity at home.
Total running costs, all in £55,520
Cost of petrol to do 53,000 miles in any of my other cars, approx. £11,000
Sold the car at 2 years old for £43,000 and bought another. Depreciation is covered quite nicely by the fuel savings!
ukshooter said:
I am on my second Tesla, hit 24,000 miles in 6 months with the new one.
Depreciation and running costs of the first one.
Purchased at full list price Jan 2015 £72,000, £5,000 credit from HMRC so £67,000.
Bought through my company so 100% write down in year one for a £13,400 reduction in corporation tax so net cost £53,600
Benefit in kind cost year one ZERO. Benefit in kind cost in year two around £700 from memory so add that in and the cost of ownership for 2 years running at £54,300.
No road tax for 2 years. £10 per year to register for congestion charge exemption
I drove just over 53,000 miles and most of the time used the supercharger network but I did charge at home sometimes, at a cost of about £6 a time. I'm guessing I charged once or twice a week in full so lets max that out at circa £1,200 for electricity at home.
Total running costs, all in £55,520
Cost of petrol to do 53,000 miles in any of my other cars, approx. £11,000
Sold the car at 2 years old for £43,000 and bought another. Depreciation is covered quite nicely by the fuel savings!
Don't you have to pay corp tax on the £43000 you put back into the company that year?Depreciation and running costs of the first one.
Purchased at full list price Jan 2015 £72,000, £5,000 credit from HMRC so £67,000.
Bought through my company so 100% write down in year one for a £13,400 reduction in corporation tax so net cost £53,600
Benefit in kind cost year one ZERO. Benefit in kind cost in year two around £700 from memory so add that in and the cost of ownership for 2 years running at £54,300.
No road tax for 2 years. £10 per year to register for congestion charge exemption
I drove just over 53,000 miles and most of the time used the supercharger network but I did charge at home sometimes, at a cost of about £6 a time. I'm guessing I charged once or twice a week in full so lets max that out at circa £1,200 for electricity at home.
Total running costs, all in £55,520
Cost of petrol to do 53,000 miles in any of my other cars, approx. £11,000
Sold the car at 2 years old for £43,000 and bought another. Depreciation is covered quite nicely by the fuel savings!
f1ten said:
Very useful update on ownership experiences and real world use. I couldn't make do with those limitations for how I drive so I will stock to my v8 Ferrari and 6l v8 mercedes !
I sold my Ferrari V8 a few months ago as it didn't get the use any more. Still have 2 Morgan V8's though for my petrol fix (and a classic flat 4 Lancia)ukshooter said:
elliot330 said:
Don't you have to pay corp tax on the £43000 you put back into the company that year?
Yes, but I have bought a second Tesla that gets the credit again so this second one will still get a net corporation tax reduction but only about £6,000 this time.Heres Johnny said:
Depreciation was low a while back but Tesla themselves have reduced used prices by 20% in the last 3 months. Anything but a 75 will be shedding thousands. BIK is on the rise. The good old days are gone.
BIK is going up yes - hits 16% in 2019-20. But from April 2020 (I hope I have the date correct!) it drops back to 2% for pure electric cars (hybrids will have BIK rates depending on range they can manage on leccy only).So for me I think I may be out of an electric car when the i3 goes back in December 2018, but will almost certainly have one in April 2020
Yes the BIK in 2020 is going to be on 'range on battery'. This is to catch out the PHEVs and Hybrids that are claiming ridiculously low CO2 omissions.
For example like a Mitsubishi Outlander which does about 20 miles on Electric. When in real world driving, no one plugs them in and runs on petrol only and they do about 25mpg! If on current BIK rules they pay hardly anything on P11D when they're a dirty monster of a car.
Hoophole closed......too late in my opinion.
For example like a Mitsubishi Outlander which does about 20 miles on Electric. When in real world driving, no one plugs them in and runs on petrol only and they do about 25mpg! If on current BIK rules they pay hardly anything on P11D when they're a dirty monster of a car.
Hoophole closed......too late in my opinion.
AstonZagato said:
My wife now has an Outlander PHEV. She principally does short journeys, usually in horrendous traffic. She plugs it in religiously (which surprised even me - I thought that task would get delegated to me).
She has done 2,500 miles in it and has so far put in £25 of fuel.
Wow.....fair enough. Is it a company car though?She has done 2,500 miles in it and has so far put in £25 of fuel.
audi321 said:
AstonZagato said:
My wife now has an Outlander PHEV. She principally does short journeys, usually in horrendous traffic. She plugs it in religiously (which surprised even me - I thought that task would get delegated to me).
She has done 2,500 miles in it and has so far put in £25 of fuel.
Wow.....fair enough. Is it a company car though?She has done 2,500 miles in it and has so far put in £25 of fuel.
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