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Tesla now introducing Supercharging for inner city location at 73KW using some ultra slim looking chargers.
Currently only in Boston, but if Tesla can roll them out at the same rate as normal SuperChargers they'll have the EV market to them selves for quite a while!!
Other manufacturer need to take note, the up and coming Jag iPace is the present example. It may have the spec of a Tesla but try driving around Europe using only 50KW Chadamo chargers.
http://jalopnik.com/tesla-just-quietly-solved-the-...
Currently only in Boston, but if Tesla can roll them out at the same rate as normal SuperChargers they'll have the EV market to them selves for quite a while!!
Other manufacturer need to take note, the up and coming Jag iPace is the present example. It may have the spec of a Tesla but try driving around Europe using only 50KW Chadamo chargers.
http://jalopnik.com/tesla-just-quietly-solved-the-...
gangzoom said:
Tesla now introducing Supercharging for inner city location at 73KW using some ultra slim looking chargers.
Currently only in Boston, but if Tesla can roll them out at the same rate as normal SuperChargers they'll have the EV market to them selves for quite a while!!
Other manufacturer need to take note, the up and coming Jag iPace is the present example. It may have the spec of a Tesla but try driving around Europe using only 50KW Chadamo chargers.
http://jalopnik.com/tesla-just-quietly-solved-the-...
I wouldn't want to drive around Europe in any EV. Currently only in Boston, but if Tesla can roll them out at the same rate as normal SuperChargers they'll have the EV market to them selves for quite a while!!
Other manufacturer need to take note, the up and coming Jag iPace is the present example. It may have the spec of a Tesla but try driving around Europe using only 50KW Chadamo chargers.
http://jalopnik.com/tesla-just-quietly-solved-the-...
DJP31 said:
Dazed and Confused said:
I wouldn't want to drive around Europe in any EV.
Why not? Countless posts on FB from Tesla owners driving all over Europe. Many from people who had never driven long distances abroad but the Supercharging network makes it very doable. And free. Not Ideal said:
DJP31 said:
Dazed and Confused said:
I wouldn't want to drive around Europe in any EV.
Why not? Countless posts on FB from Tesla owners driving all over Europe. Many from people who had never driven long distances abroad but the Supercharging network makes it very doable. And free. What would you suggest?
Dazed and Confused said:
I'm not exactly a planner and like to able to go where the mood takes us. Why would I spend £70k+ on a car just so it can get me to the South of France. Regarding charging points, service stations are very few and far between on the French Motorways?
What would you suggest?
Goto www.Tesla.com, click on the Charging sub menu and than enter the destination to see how many Supercharging sites are nearby to where your going.What would you suggest?
If your talking about just driving around randomly in Europe with no destination in mind or any planning than yes an EV wouldnt be a good idea.
gangzoom said:
Dazed and Confused said:
I'm not exactly a planner and like to able to go where the mood takes us. Why would I spend £70k+ on a car just so it can get me to the South of France. Regarding charging points, service stations are very few and far between on the French Motorways?
What would you suggest?
Goto www.Tesla.com, click on the Charging sub menu and than enter the destination to see how many Supercharging sites are nearby to where your going.What would you suggest?
If your talking about just driving around randomly in Europe with no destination in mind or any planning than yes an EV wouldnt be a good idea.
Calais to South of France in a Nissan Leaf - best part of a week.
Dazed and Confused said:
But I started by saying I didn't want to drive an EV around Europe, why do people keep talking about what the vastly more expensive Teslas are capable of.
Calais to South of France in a Nissan Leaf - best part of a week.
I suspect people keep talking about what Teslas are capable of because the thread is about Teslas, and for long distance travel Teslas are, currently, the most capable EV cars around. Part of that is the range of Tesla vs other EVs, but a big part of that is charging infrastructure that each EV has access to.Calais to South of France in a Nissan Leaf - best part of a week.
If you want a discussion on what, non-Tesla, is the best EV to travel around Europe in, that would seem to be best done by starting a new thread.
As regards driving around Europe, the chap upthread who was getting 120 miles from a Tesla driven hard (90) was interesting. Is this expected? My use case is a drive down to the South of France that I do twice a year. Cruise is set at a minimum of 85, usually 90, if I am in a convoy of Belgians, somewhat more. I tend to do 600 miles in one hit at that speed. We arrive considerably earlier than my mate with a 4.8 litre X5 who has to fill up every 250 miles...
How far would a Tesla go at a cruise of 95? I suppose the real question is "what is the consumption rate in Kw/h of a Tesla at 95".
How far would a Tesla go at a cruise of 95? I suppose the real question is "what is the consumption rate in Kw/h of a Tesla at 95".
rxe said:
As regards driving around Europe, the chap upthread who was getting 120 miles from a Tesla driven hard (90) was interesting. Is this expected? My use case is a drive down to the South of France that I do twice a year. Cruise is set at a minimum of 85, usually 90, if I am in a convoy of Belgians, somewhat more. I tend to do 600 miles in one hit at that speed. We arrive considerably earlier than my mate with a 4.8 litre X5 who has to fill up every 250 miles...
How far would a Tesla go at a cruise of 95? I suppose the real question is "what is the consumption rate in Kw/h of a Tesla at 95".
A MS at 95mph in summer would be around 400-420 wh/m. An MX would be probably 450wh/m mile if not more. Winter would be higher again. You can chuck in 50kwh into a say a 90 battery from a low % in 35 mins, giving you only 125 miles between stops at those speeds, if you went for 80kwh it will take over an hour for less than double the amount so no benefit. Auto pilot doesn't work at higher speeds either so the "Tesla" way is to stick it on cruise at 80mph and let the car do the work, stop less often, and get there more relaxed even if it takes longer door to door. Its a choice, doesn't mean its better, but plenty enjoy driving thousands of miles getting there knowing its cost them nothing in fuel. Your X5 is doing what - 20mpg at those speeds? (My X5 40D struggled to get much about 30 mpg), so 600 miles, 30 gallons, £150 - thats a nice mealHow far would a Tesla go at a cruise of 95? I suppose the real question is "what is the consumption rate in Kw/h of a Tesla at 95".
I drove back from Scotland last week in my Model S 75D and a majority of this was on cruise set at 85 - ahem km/h 
One thing to note is this is actually a true 85, as the speedo is set from the sat nav, so incredibly accurate. The similar speed in a 'normal' car would probably be an indicated 92-93. I only noticed this in the roadworks when set to 50mph I was overtaking most other cars who were probably doing 45-46mph, so checked it on my phone and indeed I was doing a true 50mph. When I got home I followed my wife for a while and at my 70mph she was doing 76mph (Toyota Auris).
I was getting a maximum of 215 miles range to almost empty at 85. Supercharger took 30 mins to get to 80% recharge, which at that speed would be another 180 miles.
One thing to note is this is actually a true 85, as the speedo is set from the sat nav, so incredibly accurate. The similar speed in a 'normal' car would probably be an indicated 92-93. I only noticed this in the roadworks when set to 50mph I was overtaking most other cars who were probably doing 45-46mph, so checked it on my phone and indeed I was doing a true 50mph. When I got home I followed my wife for a while and at my 70mph she was doing 76mph (Toyota Auris).
I was getting a maximum of 215 miles range to almost empty at 85. Supercharger took 30 mins to get to 80% recharge, which at that speed would be another 180 miles.
audi321 said:
I drove back from Scotland last week in my Model S 75D and a majority of this was on cruise set at 85 - ahem km/h
One thing to note is this is actually a true 85, as the speedo is set from the sat nav, so incredibly accurate. The similar speed in a 'normal' car would probably be an indicated 92-93. I only noticed this in the roadworks when set to 50mph I was overtaking most other cars who were probably doing 45-46mph, so checked it on my phone and indeed I was doing a true 50mph. When I got home I followed my wife for a while and at my 70mph she was doing 76mph (Toyota Auris).
I was getting a maximum of 215 miles range to almost empty at 85. Supercharger took 30 mins to get to 80% recharge, which at that speed would be another 180 miles.
Do you not just look at the speed on the Sat Nav anyhoo.One thing to note is this is actually a true 85, as the speedo is set from the sat nav, so incredibly accurate. The similar speed in a 'normal' car would probably be an indicated 92-93. I only noticed this in the roadworks when set to 50mph I was overtaking most other cars who were probably doing 45-46mph, so checked it on my phone and indeed I was doing a true 50mph. When I got home I followed my wife for a while and at my 70mph she was doing 76mph (Toyota Auris).
I was getting a maximum of 215 miles range to almost empty at 85. Supercharger took 30 mins to get to 80% recharge, which at that speed would be another 180 miles.
Dazed and Confused said:
audi321 said:
I drove back from Scotland last week in my Model S 75D and a majority of this was on cruise set at 85 - ahem km/h
One thing to note is this is actually a true 85, as the speedo is set from the sat nav, so incredibly accurate. The similar speed in a 'normal' car would probably be an indicated 92-93. I only noticed this in the roadworks when set to 50mph I was overtaking most other cars who were probably doing 45-46mph, so checked it on my phone and indeed I was doing a true 50mph. When I got home I followed my wife for a while and at my 70mph she was doing 76mph (Toyota Auris).
I was getting a maximum of 215 miles range to almost empty at 85. Supercharger took 30 mins to get to 80% recharge, which at that speed would be another 180 miles.
Do you not just look at the speed on the Sat Nav anyhoo.One thing to note is this is actually a true 85, as the speedo is set from the sat nav, so incredibly accurate. The similar speed in a 'normal' car would probably be an indicated 92-93. I only noticed this in the roadworks when set to 50mph I was overtaking most other cars who were probably doing 45-46mph, so checked it on my phone and indeed I was doing a true 50mph. When I got home I followed my wife for a while and at my 70mph she was doing 76mph (Toyota Auris).
I was getting a maximum of 215 miles range to almost empty at 85. Supercharger took 30 mins to get to 80% recharge, which at that speed would be another 180 miles.
Although that's irrelevant really, I can't remember when I last 'cruised' at only 50/55 mph. Except in road works or 50 limited roads.
Edited to add: I can remember; it was in the 1970s.
Dazed and Confused said:
But I started by saying I didn't want to drive an EV around Europe, why do people keep talking about what the vastly more expensive Teslas are capable of.
Calais to South of France in a Nissan Leaf - best part of a week.
Actually you said "any" EV not "an" EV, which is why I pointed out what a Tesla can do. Calais to South of France in a Nissan Leaf - best part of a week.
Heres Johnny said:
A MS at 95mph in summer would be around 400-420 wh/m. An MX would be probably 450wh/m mile if not more. Winter would be higher again. You can chuck in 50kwh into a say a 90 battery from a low % in 35 mins, giving you only 125 miles between stops at those speeds, if you went for 80kwh it will take over an hour for less than double the amount so no benefit. Auto pilot doesn't work at higher speeds either so the "Tesla" way is to stick it on cruise at 80mph and let the car do the work, stop less often, and get there more relaxed even if it takes longer door to door. Its a choice, doesn't mean its better, but plenty enjoy driving thousands of miles getting there knowing its cost them nothing in fuel. Your X5 is doing what - 20mpg at those speeds? (My X5 40D struggled to get much about 30 mpg), so 600 miles, 30 gallons, £150 - thats a nice meal
Just for clarity, its my mate who drives the X5. We drive a diesel estate that does pretty much the entire journey in one hit. I tend to fill up before driving up into the mountains because its cheaper around Grenoble. So our trip costs about £70, and we're actually there in time for dinner and pick up skis. 120 effective range at speed is pretty disastrous IMO. rxe said:
Just for clarity, its my mate who drives the X5. We drive a diesel estate that does pretty much the entire journey in one hit. I tend to fill up before driving up into the mountains because its cheaper around Grenoble. So our trip costs about £70, and we're actually there in time for dinner and pick up skis. 120 effective range at speed is pretty disastrous IMO.
Ah ok. There is little to compete with a good diesel for long distance driving. I did 80k in 3 years in a BMW 640D and 30k in 1 year in a Tesla Model S. They're just different, there are things I much prefer in eachGassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff