Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

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DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Saturday 8th September 2018
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Yup but aren’t those screenshots stating that the product 500,000 people signed up isn’t available on to order direct for another 4-7 Tesla Month Units?

The company can’t sell the car they all paid a deposit for yet as it would be loss making. They need to sell the more expensive version until there is enough volume or desperation whicher comes sooner.

Heres Johnny

7,228 posts

124 months

Saturday 8th September 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
Yup but aren’t those screenshots stating that the product 500,000 people signed up isn’t available on to order direct for another 4-7 Tesla Month Units?

The company can’t sell the car they all paid a deposit for yet as it would be loss making. They need to sell the more expensive version until there is enough volume or desperation whicher comes sooner.
The 500k is a global figure, but even so, a large proportion will be US, so they must be waiting for the cheaper model as you say, or current leases to come up for renewal, but there lies another oddball, Tesla will soon be losing a $7500 credit on the car, its either dropping to 3750 or disappearing (I can't say I fully understand the US system), but either way it seems people are waiting to save 10k on a lesser spec car and are going to lose much of that saving due to less rebate

TooLateForAName

4,747 posts

184 months

Saturday 8th September 2018
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I do wonder how many reservations are actually ego trips or wishful thinking. 'Yeah, I have a reservation on a model 3' but no ability or desire to actually complete on the purchase.

Edited by TooLateForAName on Saturday 8th September 15:14

DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Saturday 8th September 2018
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TooLateForAName said:
I do wonder how many reservations are actually ego trips or wishful thinking. 'Yeah, I have a reservation on a model 3' but no ability or desire to actually complete on the purchase.

Edited by TooLateForAName on Saturday 8th September 15:14
There are probably various industry figures for that behaviour. Lots of tools just want the benefit of saying they are a buyer but no intention or ability to transition through to being a buyer. What would be interesting given Tesla’s brand attraction is whether their figure transpires to be higher or lower.

98elise

26,599 posts

161 months

Saturday 8th September 2018
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TooLateForAName said:
I do wonder how many reservations are actually ego trips or wishful thinking. 'Yeah, I have a reservation on a model 3' but no ability or desire to actually complete on the purchase.

Edited by TooLateForAName on Saturday 8th September 15:14
Why would you pay the deposit to do that. If you're going to bullst you can do it without paying out money.

All I got for my 1k deposit was an email.



Tony427

2,873 posts

233 months

Saturday 8th September 2018
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98elise said:
TooLateForAName said:
I do wonder how many reservations are actually ego trips or wishful thinking. 'Yeah, I have a reservation on a model 3' but no ability or desire to actually complete on the purchase.

Edited by TooLateForAName on Saturday 8th September 15:14
Why would you pay the deposit to do that. If you're going to bullst you can do it without paying out money.

All I got for my 1k deposit was an email.
When is your car being delivered ? Is it the base cheapest model ?


hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Saudi's have switched sides. Pouring $1bn into another US Electric car company
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-09-17...

Also numbers of electric on the market is increasing;



Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 18th September 00:29

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Lucid gets a billion invested the same month Tesla sell a billion worth of vehicles.

There's going to be many startups and a lot of investing.

DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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hyphen said:
Saudi's have switched sides. Pouring $1bn into another US Electric car company
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-09-17...

Also numbers of electric on the market is increasing;



Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 18th September 00:29
It’s just a hedge though. A big fund like that which is looking to diversify away from oil revenues is going to take stakes in more than one enterprise.

Access to a sovereign wealth fund like that is probably great news for the EV industry as a whole?

Probably the key news right now is that Musk kept his gob shut for a week and TSLA rose 10%. biggrin

DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Lucid gets a billion invested the same month Tesla sell a billion worth of vehicles.

There's going to be many startups and a lot of investing.
Delivered a billion worth of vehicles. Not sold. They were already sold. Big difference. The actual figure being somewhat critical to the business post pre-order delivery phase don’t you think? wink

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Nothing to do with EVs, but all to do with share prices - given some views on the TSLA share price

Tilray (TLRY)

$28m annual sales, nett assets = ($5.8m), no profits...

Market cap = $11.68 billion / 94th in the S&P500

DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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JPJPJP said:
Nothing to do with EVs, but all to do with share prices - given some views on the TSLA share price

Tilray (TLRY)

$28m annual sales, nett assets = ($5.8m), no profits...

Market cap = $11.68 billion / 94th in the S&P500
At least there is a well established and proven market for their product and they can easily undercut the incumbent suppliers and still retain good margins. biggrin

CBD is the new place to be and seemingly the survivors of the previous get rich quick market, cryptos, are being moved in to this latest get rich quick sector.

CBD is apparently an appetite suppressant so in fairness it probably does have an enormous market potential in motobility, would you like chips with that, fatland.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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DonkeyApple said:
Delivered a billion worth of vehicles. Not sold. They were already sold. Big difference. The actual figure being somewhat critical to the business post pre-order delivery phase don’t you think? wink
Nope sold.
Cash Swapped for vehicles in the month. How else do you think it works..

DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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RobDickinson said:
DonkeyApple said:
Delivered a billion worth of vehicles. Not sold. They were already sold. Big difference. The actual figure being somewhat critical to the business post pre-order delivery phase don’t you think? wink
Nope sold.
Cash Swapped for vehicles in the month. How else do you think it works..
Rob,seriously??!!!

Even you must know that isn’t how this works. It’s painful watching all your spin and propaganda. You must be smarter than this?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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So fking what if some of them are pre orders there still sales, you were bhing about the pre orders not actually being sakes not long ago, can't have it both ways.

DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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RobDickinson said:
So fking what if some of them are pre orders there still sales, you were bhing about the pre orders not actually being sakes not long ago, can't have it both ways.
Not all of them will Be will they? But what you are seeing now is revenue from 2016 pre-orders. Do you know how many sales of the model 3 have taken place this month? wink

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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https://twitter.com/Model3VINs

suggests the highest VIN for model 3 is, so far, 116263

and that the proportion of cars registered that are AWD / dual motor is far higher than Tesla was predicting in the Q2 earnings call - there is an obvious knock on to the financials

In other news, the maturity dates of a collection of debt instruments called Warehouse Agreements that are associated with vehicle leasing, value $1.1bn, has been extended from Sep 19 to Sep 20

http://ir.tesla.com/static-files/d7d7ef40-8ac4-47b...



Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 18th September 12:38

RumbleOfThunder

3,557 posts

203 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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dukeboy749r

2,628 posts

210 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Does there seem to be a pattern (more so recently) of Mr Musk doing more and more weird/outrageous/whacky things (read tweets)

Are they, in of themselves, systematic of someone breaking down under (no doubt) considerable strain?

RumbleOfThunder

3,557 posts

203 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Possibly. This really is crunch time for Tesla.
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