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[hyphen]

REALIST123 said:

Yipper said:

Have a couple of Tesla graphics, after their Q4 2017 results this week.

Am I reading that right? They owe £7B and the working capital is minus £1.5B?

Yipper's source: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4144481-first-loo...

[Heres Johnny]

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You know the shares were down over 8% today?

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Yipper said:

Have another graphic.

Your newfound interest in second rate graphics is a new development, as poor as they are. Why are you offering up what appears to be a 14 year old's representation of cashflow between subsidiaries?

[Heres Johnny]

ReverendCounter said:

Yipper said:

Have another graphic.

Your newfound interest in second rate graphics is a new development, as poor as they are. Why are you offering up what appears to be a 14 year old's representation of cashflow between subsidiaries?

It’s because he doesn’t understand business.

He has no concept of context of what he’s looking at or why, as an example pretty much everybody knows that a growing business should borrow on the basis that you can grow quicker than the interest, gearing you money t9 better advantage, but not with some in here

[RobDickinson]

Heres Johnny said:

You know the shares were down over 8% today?

The whole market is in free fall I wouldn't take today as worthwhile data.

[Yipper]

RobDickinson said:

Heres Johnny said:

You know the shares were down over 8% today?

The whole market is in free fall I wouldn't take today as worthwhile data.

Tesla share price has plunged almost -20% in 4 months!

That is good shorting business.

[RobDickinson]

Yipper said:

Tesla share price has plunged almost -20% in 4 months!

That is good shorting business.

more bks 4 months ago (2nd november) tlsa listed at $299 a share even now they are above that ($315).

[Yipper]

hyphen said:

Yipper's source: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4144481-first-loo...

Yippers source said:

Disclosure: I am/we are short TSLA.

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Lol.

Musk received $3,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000 in free cash subsidies from the US government. It wasn't his money and he didn't build the rocket himself.

[Yipper]

RobDickinson said:

Yipper said:

Tesla share price has plunged almost -20% in 4 months!

That is good shorting business.

more bks 4 months ago (2nd november) tlsa listed at $299 a share even now they are above that ($315).

It is down from $385 to $315 in 4 months and 20 days

[RobDickinson]

More utter bks.

Spacex won government contracts to do work for the government. Cheaper than Ula.

Ula who do get 1bn a year subsidy to do nothing. Not even bid on contracts.

[Heres Johnny]

Yipper said:

It is down from $385 to $315 in 4 months and 20 days

S&P 500 over 12 months = 17 percent return
Tesla over 12 months = 32 percent return

Negative people will always find negative things to say but overall the glass is always full.

What do you do yipper, apart from troll ?

I’m guessing he trades bitcoin, that’s an investment that can’t fail.

[Too Drunk to Funk]

REALIST123 said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

its almost as thou it costs billions to set up a car manufacturing plant to supply global demand

just as well the main auto manufacturers don't spend this much on their plants, oh wait ...


and its a bargain compared to how much he just spent firing his car at mars lol

They’re hardly supplying global demand. The opposite in fact.

Has any motor manufacturer ever been in so much debt, so early in its life?

You last sentence is probably true.

Exactly, other makers are supplying a demand. Tesla are throwing money in the fire.

[p1stonhead]

hyphen said:

Yipper's source: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4144481-first-loo...

Yippers source said:

Disclosure: I am/we are short TSLA.

Aaaand there it is

Yipper said:

Tesla share price has plunged almost -20% in 4 months!

That is good shorting business.

Yes if you got in 4 months ago. But if you got in 3 months ago they are 5% up. And a year ago they are still 20% up. Wind that back to 5 years when a lot of shorters have probably been in since, and its 900%.

Using your incredibly specific range of time for share value can tell you anything you want to hear.

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 9th February 09:15

[liner33]

Wow the power of the "Cult of Elon" is strong in this thread

Even the great one thinks the stock is overvalued

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/elon-musk-teslas-s...

Others explain why they are think Tesla and the stock value is vulnerable

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/7-big-worries-th...

[p1stonhead]

liner33 said:

Wow the power of the "Cult of Elon" is strong in this thread

Even the great one thinks the stock is overvalued

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/elon-musk-teslas-s...

Others explain why they are think Tesla and the stock value is vulnerable

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/7-big-worries-th...

Never said it wasnt overvalued - I think it is too. This is coming from someone who was long on TSLA but got out a couple years ago.

Just pointing out that (like everything Yipper says) its moronic to try and make a point by only focussing on the exact time periods you want. Anyone can do that to make any point.

'PLUNGED in 4 months (but up over three, 12 and most other measures)'

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liner33 said:

Wow the power of the "Cult of Elon" is strong in this thread

Anti Cult of Yipper's Bullst is the only movement I'm interested in.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Too Drunk to Funk said:

REALIST123 said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

its almost as thou it costs billions to set up a car manufacturing plant to supply global demand

just as well the main auto manufacturers don't spend this much on their plants, oh wait ...


and its a bargain compared to how much he just spent firing his car at mars lol

They’re hardly supplying global demand. The opposite in fact.

Has any motor manufacturer ever been in so much debt, so early in its life?

You last sentence is probably true.

Exactly, other makers are supplying a demand. Tesla are throwing money in the fire.

i don't think anyone would deny they have a huge global demand with approx 500k model 3 pre orders

i don't think anyone would deny they have made a total cock up of gearing up to manufacturer on that scale

[Yipper]

liner33 said:

Wow the power of the "Cult of Elon" is strong in this thread

Even the great one thinks the stock is overvalued

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/elon-musk-teslas-s...

Others explain why they are think Tesla and the stock value is vulnerable

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/7-big-worries-th...

There is defo some cultism around, blended with a whiff of hysteria.

Structurally bankrupt, major quality issues, free subsidies starting to fade, old models have peaked, delay after delay after delay to new models, and classic diversionary tactics with flashy rocket launches... and, still, some people continue to stick their head in the sand and oppress the non-believers.

Signs of cultish mania and group hysteria.

[AW111]

Yipper said:

There is defo some cultism around, blended with a whiff of hysteria.

Structurally bankrupt, major quality issues, free subsidies starting to fade, old models have peaked, delay after delay after delay to new models, and classic diversionary tactics with flashy rocket launches... and, still, some people continue to stick their head in the sand and oppress the non-believers.

Signs of cultish mania and group hysteria.

How exactly is pointing out when you're spouting bullst (again) opressing you, snowflake?

[Heres Johnny]

Yipper said:

liner33 said:

Wow the power of the "Cult of Elon" is strong in this thread

Even the great one thinks the stock is overvalued

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/elon-musk-teslas-s...

Others explain why they are think Tesla and the stock value is vulnerable

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/7-big-worries-th...

There is defo some cultism around, blended with a whiff of hysteria.

Structurally bankrupt, major quality issues, free subsidies starting to fade, old models have peaked, delay after delay after delay to new models, and classic diversionary tactics with flashy rocket launches... and, still, some people continue to stick their head in the sand and oppress the non-believers.

Signs of cultish mania and group hysteria.

Your grasp of the law on the obligations of a company direct are simply staggering. As are your understanding of US GAAP. And the attachment of activity to the appropriate company.

I'm far from a blinkered supporter of Musk, I'm daily arguing with others on tesla forums and have quite happily taken a lot of heat for calling the rocket launch massively over hyped on the basis that the Apollo rockets took double the payload nearly 50 years ago, but you act like a baby throwing anything you can out of your pram to get attention.

Structurally bankrupt, - no, trading when bankrupt is a pretty serious issue and his accountants would not have signed off the numbers off, although as an aside, his accountants can't give the right envelope out at the oscars,
major quality issues, - major is a loaded word but there are problems, although my first one didn't go wrong, nor has my second one, my Aston Martin was worse, that took 3 days before it had to go back to the dealers.
free subsidies starting to fade, are we talking space x or Tesla? Are we talking to buyers in each country as part of wider EV incentives that are changing or direct to Tesla? And what "Major" subsidies are we talking about?
old models have peaked, - more made and sold than ever before - peak? Just as well they have an order book of half a million for the new model if they have
delay after delay after delay to new models, - The core product is there, its the bells and whistles that are delayed, mainly around autopilot
and classic diversionary tactics with flashy rocket launches.- different company but classic implies this is typical method of causing a diversion, I'm not sure who else did this type of thing, maybe Nixon or more likely Kennedy who came up with the idea.

Did you watch Gran Tour? Even Clarkson, the guy who has petrol running through his veins and couldn't operate an electrical appliance to save his life seems to rather like the car.