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DonkeyApple said:
The logical step forward is for home chargers to be fitted with payment systems so that EV owners have the commercial option to advertise parking/charging on networks such as Parkopedia and earn an income.
Simply wouldn't work, even the potential the idea the government might try to 'monitor' home EV chargers using smart chargers is never going to happen.I've just finished taking part in the Electric Nation trial, they installed a 'smart' charger and the idea was Electric Nation could 'cap' charging rates depending on local grid demand, the trial is essentially trying to replicate how future grid demand from EVs can be offset across different times.
It took the engineer longer to set up the 'smart' bit of the charger than installing the thing, despite us tying to place the WiFi interface for the charger within 5 meters of the actual charger we could only find one spot where the thing would connect properly after much faffing. The following months was filled with almost routine calls from Electric Nation to reset the charger/move the WiFi box etc because it kept on stopping talking to mothership - They even ended up sending a second WifFI interface box and if the trial had last longer am sure a 2nd engineer visit was on the cards.
Bare-in mind this was a trial setup with one specific charger, and I presume one set of communication protocols - Trying to do something on a national scale with multiple different brands etc will be one massive never ending headache.
My guess is that Kari is a bit less of a Tesla advocate than she once was
https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
JPJPJP said:
My guess is that Kari is a bit less of a Tesla advocate than she once was
https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
Do you blame her. It’s the way US companies roll, legally it seems. https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
gangzoom said:
DonkeyApple said:
The logical step forward is for home chargers to be fitted with payment systems so that EV owners have the commercial option to advertise parking/charging on networks such as Parkopedia and earn an income.
Simply wouldn't work, even the potential the idea the government might try to 'monitor' home EV chargers using smart chargers is never going to happen.I've just finished taking part in the Electric Nation trial, they installed a 'smart' charger and the idea was Electric Nation could 'cap' charging rates depending on local grid demand, the trial is essentially trying to replicate how future grid demand from EVs can be offset across different times.
It took the engineer longer to set up the 'smart' bit of the charger than installing the thing, despite us tying to place the WiFi interface for the charger within 5 meters of the actual charger we could only find one spot where the thing would connect properly after much faffing. The following months was filled with almost routine calls from Electric Nation to reset the charger/move the WiFi box etc because it kept on stopping talking to mothership - They even ended up sending a second WifFI interface box and if the trial had last longer am sure a 2nd engineer visit was on the cards.
Bare-in mind this was a trial setup with one specific charger, and I presume one set of communication protocols - Trying to do something on a national scale with multiple different brands etc will be one massive never ending headache.
RobDickinson said:
Yeah not logging who uses it is a great way to be able to bill someone...
Wrapped into the daily parking charge. Nice and simple and guaranteed to contain a profit. Despite the logic of gadget fans, life doesn't need to be complicated or need expensive kit. Got an empty driveway with a charger, just price it up and stick it on the parking apps. It’s no different from renting commuter parking for non EVs. DonkeyApple said:
It can be done today just using a normal home charger. Just list your parking space on one of the apps, calculate how much electricity would be used on an 8 hour charge, add that and your bonus and standard parking rate. Done. Anyone with a home charger and a parking space they aren’t using during the day who lives in Town could do it. It doesn’t have to be ‘smart’.
A company has launched doing this, they use mobile phone apps, gps and various other ways to minimise the tech outlay for home owners and they work on a profit share model. Only problem is they ripped a database from one of the online databases where owners have listed their chargers for social good and ran a mail shot which has trashed their reputation before they started,Heres Johnny said:
A company has launched doing this, they use mobile phone apps, gps and various other ways to minimise the tech outlay for home owners and they work on a profit share model. Only problem is they ripped a database from one of the online databases where owners have listed their chargers for social good and ran a mail shot which has trashed their reputation before they started,
It doesn’t even need to be that complicated. I use the JustPark app but there are several to chose from. They all charge based on a hourly rate set by the owner. An owner with an EV point just needs to adjust their hourly rate. The point is that charging of EVs is never really going to be an issue. Cars leave a point where there is electricity and travel to a point where there is electricity and there is electricity all along the route taken. It is just that it is another of those points where the devout believers and non-believers struggle to think logically over. The reason why there is no pan U.K. all encompassing charging network today is simply a function of there being bugger all EVs on the road that need it today. Whenever the point arrives that the EV consumer market is large enough to warrant the commercial investment then charging points and intelligent solutions will simply appear over night. No commercial location that has the ability to profit from EV charging is goin to not do so but it will happen when there is profit, which there very clearly is not at present which is why almost the entire network is subsidised by either investment capital or tax payer funds.
The second phase of EV consumer growth will be completely reliant on a massive charging network as this phase will be the price competition phase and the smaller the battery pack you can fit to your product the cheaper and more efficient it will be and to achieve the ultimate target of dominating the bottom end of the consumer market the cheapest of EVs with the smallest of battery packs require charging ubiquity. And charging ubiquity is exactly what we will get because it is essential in order for the major manufacturers to expand sales from a few rich blokes wanting the latest gadget to the millions upon millions of normal consumers who are highly price sensitive and who underpin the entire existence of the likes of Ford, GM, VW, Toyota and all the global manufacturers etc.
Burwood said:
JPJPJP said:
My guess is that Kari is a bit less of a Tesla advocate than she once was
https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
Do you blame her. It’s the way US companies roll, legally it seems. https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
Able to exploit a non unionised workforce that enjoys very few legal protections, and still unable to make the car profitable at an affordable price. They design their "mass market" car as a saloon when all the top selling cars in the the world are hatchbacks.
I like the products and the vision, but I am coming to think the company's days are numbered.
I like the products and the vision, but I am coming to think the company's days are numbered.
Witchfinder said:
and still unable to make the car profitable at an affordable price.
12 months ago Tesla 'were selling every car at a loss' and 'no path to profit'Yes they are treating their employees like s
t, from what I can see its about par for USA sadly. They grew the workforce 30% last year and will end 2019 with more. But still not great if you are one getting booted.If USA is going to have a car industry in 20 years it will be built around Tesla and similar.
Leithen said:
Burwood said:
JPJPJP said:
My guess is that Kari is a bit less of a Tesla advocate than she once was
https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
Do you blame her. It’s the way US companies roll, legally it seems. https://twitter.com/_kariedaway_/status/1086913043...
k off. For a company like Tesla that is driven by PR I would wager they at least thought long and hard about which people to dispose of, favouring elements such as Mexican labour as much as possible as no one gives a f
k if they starve on the streets and they have no voice. The benefit that the finance industry has is that no one cares if people are laid off and many will get pleasure from reading about it. Tesla isn’t likely to have that advantage but the reality is that Tesla does not exist to make friends or to be nice but to make money whatever the human cost.
RobDickinson said:
12 months ago Tesla 'were selling every car at a loss' and 'no path to profit'
Yes they are treating their employees like st, from what I can see its about par for USA sadly. They grew the workforce 30% last year and will end 2019 with more. But still not great if you are one getting booted.
If USA is going to have a car industry in 20 years it will be built around Tesla and similar.
Yup. They are just martyrs to the greater good. Yes they are treating their employees like s
t, from what I can see its about par for USA sadly. They grew the workforce 30% last year and will end 2019 with more. But still not great if you are one getting booted.If USA is going to have a car industry in 20 years it will be built around Tesla and similar.
I worked in the great US of A for while on an airtight UK employment contract; after the contract expired [time limited to USA] I was asked to stay on and work in Seattle on an American contract, I came home and there was no opportunities in the business so took redundancy.
The employment laws are appalling; the culture is 10 years behind us. Others will say they had a great time and loved it and I am pleased for them; however whilst I liked what I was doing it wasn't a place I would remain and work
The employment laws are appalling; the culture is 10 years behind us. Others will say they had a great time and loved it and I am pleased for them; however whilst I liked what I was doing it wasn't a place I would remain and work
DonkeyApple said:
It’s pretty standard behaviour to be honest. It’s very common in the finance industry. The promise of bonuses allows you to pay deflated salaries and keep the workforce motivated to pump the share price. Someone with a bonus pending is only ever going to promote the company. The normal practice though is to just cancel their security pass on Friday night and email them on Sunday to fk off.
For a company like Tesla that is driven by PR I would wager they at least thought long and hard about which people to dispose of, favouring elements such as Mexican labour as much as possible as no one gives a fk if they starve on the streets and they have no voice.
The benefit that the finance industry has is that no one cares if people are laid off and many will get pleasure from reading about it. Tesla isn’t likely to have that advantage but the reality is that Tesla does not exist to make friends or to be nice but to make money whatever the human cost.
Not according to Musk; it’s “to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy.”k off. For a company like Tesla that is driven by PR I would wager they at least thought long and hard about which people to dispose of, favouring elements such as Mexican labour as much as possible as no one gives a f
k if they starve on the streets and they have no voice. The benefit that the finance industry has is that no one cares if people are laid off and many will get pleasure from reading about it. Tesla isn’t likely to have that advantage but the reality is that Tesla does not exist to make friends or to be nice but to make money whatever the human cost.
It used to be to “to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable transport”.
Nowhere does he say it’s to make money whatever the human cost........
So that’s a big change; from saving humanity to leeching on it.
There is no question that the changes at Tesla HQ are driven by the need to be more efficient. They see the German forces gathering on the horizon. It's all good for the consumer. I don't want Tesla to fail. I want them to push their competitors to make the best product they can for the money.
10.30am and it's risen to -1 C. The diesel has been rattling away for 15 mins on the drive before I brave the cold
Looking forward to preheating next winter
10.30am and it's risen to -1 C. The diesel has been rattling away for 15 mins on the drive before I brave the cold
Looking forward to preheating next winterBurwood said:
There is no question that the changes at Tesla HQ are driven by the need to be more efficient. They see the German forces gathering on the horizon. It's all good for the consumer. I don't want Tesla to fail. I want them to push their competitors to make the best product they can for the money.
10.30am and it's risen to -1 C. The diesel has been rattling away for 15 mins on the drive before I brave the cold Looking forward to preheating next winter
You can fit a preheater to an ICE car, when i was in -30C in Canada it was what everyone did.10.30am and it's risen to -1 C. The diesel has been rattling away for 15 mins on the drive before I brave the cold
Looking forward to preheating next winterHas the first boatload of Model 3's cleared the Panama Canal yet? Supposed to be 3000 cars on their way to Zeebrugge in time for mid February deliveries.
Ignore that, I've found the ship. Still working its way through Panama
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9707015
Ignore that, I've found the ship. Still working its way through Panama
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9707015
Edited by Smiljan on Monday 21st January 11:07
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