Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

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RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Same day Ford recall 1.4 million cars because the steering wheel falls of..

liner33

10,699 posts

203 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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TimeForAZafira said:
Saw this, thought of this thread -

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/14/tesla-manufacturin...
Yep Model 3 issues have been well reported on the web with many owners taking delivery and immediately having issues for which there is no current fix

Blib

44,238 posts

198 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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liner33 said:
no current fix
ISWYDT.

wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Frankly a hatchet job from someone with an axe to grind.
Is it? Time will tell, I guess.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Same day Ford recall 1.4 million cars because the steering wheel falls of..
Well not really. Those cars have a bolt which may loosen and allow the steering wheel to come loose.

A major problem if it happens, good to see the potential issue acted upon. 1.3 million cars from a period where they produced about 25 million from what I read.


hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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So Audi have announced a 4 door electric sports car, shared platform with Porsche.

Seems logical that the rest of the VAG groups will follow suit.Tesla need to make their first mover advantage really count before the big boys get to launch, should look to raise lots of cash asap I reckon.


https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/aud...

AstonZagato

12,721 posts

211 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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Tesla's stock was down 8.2% on Moody’s downgrade (to B3). They cited slow production ramp of Model 3, cash burn and the debt maturity profile. Stock currently down another 5% pro-open in New York.

Negative news about self-driving cars is probably not helping either.

The credit spread on the 7.4yr straight blew out 65bps to 445bp.

There is increasing talk of more capital being needed.

We get more Model 3 production numbers next week. There is now the material possibility that the Model 3 ramp goes so badly that it breaks the story (move from niche to mass market) that investors were willing to finance. If that happens, it will be really tough - Wile E Coyote being forced to stop and look down at the yawning abyss under his feet.

I hope not - I want him to be out there supporting the value of my Model X.

Tony427

2,873 posts

234 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-27...

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-trac...

Looks like a perfect storm is brewing.

Not even close to the revised, revised, revised production targets at just over 1,000 Model 3's per week being made and still burning through cash at an alarming rate. Crash investigations ongoing.

Stock being shorted and investors losing confidence.

About time for a distraction launch of something. Anything.

We've had Car, Rocket, Truck, Have we already had a Tesla Train?

Cheers,

Tony


liner33

10,699 posts

203 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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Nasa's announcement about not using the Falcon heavy wont have helped Space X either

p1stonhead

25,584 posts

168 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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liner33 said:
Nasa's announcement about not using the Falcon heavy wont have helped Space X either
SpaceX are not public.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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Tony427 said:
This bit sounds worrying: "An analyst at Citigroup Inc. wrote Tuesday that Tesla may be struggling to convert car shoppers into Model 3 buyers, "

p1stonhead

25,584 posts

168 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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hyphen said:
Tony427 said:
This bit sounds worrying: "An analyst at Citigroup Inc. wrote Tuesday that Tesla may be struggling to convert car shoppers into Model 3 buyers, "
Outside of the pre-order backlog? Or actual reservation holders?

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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p1stonhead said:
hyphen said:
Tony427 said:
This bit sounds worrying: "An analyst at Citigroup Inc. wrote Tuesday that Tesla may be struggling to convert car shoppers into Model 3 buyers, "
Outside of the pre-order backlog? Or actual reservation holders?
Dunno, it has an additional link for more detail, but its a premium thing. Any Bloomberg subscribers about?

AstonZagato

12,721 posts

211 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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p1stonhead said:
hyphen said:
Tony427 said:
This bit sounds worrying: "An analyst at Citigroup Inc. wrote Tuesday that Tesla may be struggling to convert car shoppers into Model 3 buyers, "
Outside of the pre-order backlog? Or actual reservation holders?
"Tesla may be struggling to convert car shoppers into Model 3 buyers, based on analysis of competing vehicle segments that should be seeing pressure from its new roll out, writes Citi analyst Itay Michaeli, who warns of a potential downside catalyst risk over the next 90 days.
Michaeli says that competing car sales don’t appear to “compellingly show the strain” that he would expect to see given Model 3 pre-orders, which should leave would-be buyers “notably absent” from the market
Disappointing order conversions could put pressure on Tesla to improve margins and differentiate the Model 3 with an update to the Autopilot OTA, accelerate a leasing option and lower-priced versions and shore up balance sheet, as delays could hurt free cash flow"

AstonZagato

12,721 posts

211 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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Stock now down 8.4% on the day. Though, to be fair, it only puts the stock back where it was this time last year.

jjwilde

1,904 posts

97 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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If it goes below or near to 200 I'm buying in, did the same last year with bitcoin and that was the best investment of my life.

While Tesla may be troubled now I feel confident they will be a success in the long term.

98elise

26,683 posts

162 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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p1stonhead said:
liner33 said:
Nasa's announcement about not using the Falcon heavy wont have helped Space X either
SpaceX are not public.
It's also not news. Falcon can lift X and NASA also need something that can lift > X. For those missions it can't use the Falcon, no matter how cheap it is! They didn't say they would not use Falcons at all, they were explaining why they also needed their launch system.

That wasn't news to Space X.


gangzoom

6,316 posts

216 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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jjwilde said:
If it goes below or near to 200 I'm buying in, did the same last year with bitcoin and that was the best investment of my life.

While Tesla may be troubled now I feel confident they will be a success in the long term.
What platform do you use to trade US stock?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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Nsa need sls to launch big things they've not yet designed or have budget for. It's purely pork justification.

p1stonhead

25,584 posts

168 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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gangzoom said:
jjwilde said:
If it goes below or near to 200 I'm buying in, did the same last year with bitcoin and that was the best investment of my life.

While Tesla may be troubled now I feel confident they will be a success in the long term.
What platform do you use to trade US stock?
I use Hargreaves Lansdown. You need to sign a W8BEN form first though.

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