Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

[Heres Johnny]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Heres Johnny said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

the single thing that has put me off tesla more than anything else is the morally bankrupt way they treat repairs / spare parts, do anything out of the network to avoid the hyper over inflated prices and they remote kill the cars key features

Remote killing features? The only thing I’m aware of is a cat C car that Tesla wouldn’t support. This is just scare mungering. My first car was repaired at a bog standard (although with generic training to work on electric cars) body shop without issue nearly 2 years ago.

there are vlogs on a guy who changed a door and a wing himslef, nothing structural and they killed the fast charger, auto pilot and overair updates leaving him stranded 600 miles from home

You believe this? I'm sure the video exists but the story telling will be one sided. As I said, I had the rear of my car replaced, tailgate, crash structure behind bumper and bumper. and no issues at all. Tesla are only worried when people screw up repairs, are unwilling to re register CAT C cars etc. and I don't really blame them.

[Evanivitch]

Dave Hedgehog said:

cause even a talentless muppet like me can unbolt and swap a door

I'm not sure that's anyone's definition of structural.

[AstonZagato]

George Soros investing once more in Tesla:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-16...

[Dave Hedgehog]

Heres Johnny said:

You believe this? I'm sure the video exists but the story telling will be one sided. As I said, I had the rear of my car replaced, tailgate, crash structure behind bumper and bumper. and no issues at all. Tesla are only worried when people screw up repairs, are unwilling to re register CAT C cars etc. and I don't really blame them.

I suspect EU law also offers far more protection to customers than the US in situations like this

[Plug Life]

AstonZagato said:

George Soros investing once more in Tesla:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-16...

Is this a good sign?

[M4cruiser]

jamoor said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

the single thing that has put me off tesla more than anything else is the morally bankrupt way they treat repairs / spare parts, do anything out of the network to avoid the hyper over inflated prices and they remote kill the cars key features

Yes because they're an"tech company"

They all operate to vastly different moral standards than other companies. They initially treat their stakeholders like kings, then turn around and screw them over at the first chance they can get away with it.


I can't say I've ever seen a Japanese company bahave in this fashion.

Didn't I hear that Apple behave like this with iPhones? i.e. if a non-standard repair was done then they brick the phone. Just hearsay for me, I've never owned an iPhone or a Tesla, but maybe someone has the link(s) to prove or disprove this.

[Toaster]

https://cdn-mobapi.bloomberg.com/wssmobile/v1/vide...

It seems that the Model 3 Goes well, but the brakes do not seem as good and "152 foot to come to a stop from 60mph 7 foot more than the fords F150" In context reviews say the Ford Focus will stop in 110 foot.

Whilst the Tesla Fans may say so what, I suspect in future when more electric cars are out there this type of performance may become more important.

[DapperDanMan]

Toaster said:

https://cdn-mobapi.bloomberg.com/wssmobile/v1/vide...

It seems that the Model 3 Goes well, but the brakes do not seem as good and "152 foot to come to a stop from 60mph 7 foot more than the fords F150" In context reviews say the Ford Focus will stop in 110 foot.

Whilst the Tesla Fans may say so what, I suspect in future when more electric cars are out there this type of performance may become more important.

The issue has been identified has it not and a software fix is in the pipeline

https://electrek.co/2018/05/22/tesla-will-update-m...

So nothing to see here really.

[RobDickinson]

but OMG TESTA BAD NEWS MUST BE HEADLINES!!!

[hyphen]

DapperDanMan said:

So nothing to see here really.

Tesla initially denied it was a problem...

There is something to see here, as if they are neglecting testing something as essential as this, then investors may worry at what may be uncovered next.

[RobDickinson]

Yeah your right traditional car makers never miss anything.

[DapperDanMan]

hyphen said:

DapperDanMan said:

So nothing to see here really.

Tesla initially denied it was a problem...

There is something to see here, as if they are neglecting testing something as essential as this, then investors may worry at what may be uncovered next.

You make two statements neither of which is backed up. You present 'facts' without the responsibility to prove them.

Do you seriously believe that Tesla just ticked the brakes are good box without performing any tests?

[hyphen]

DapperDanMan said:

You make two statements neither of which is backed up. You present 'facts' without the responsibility to prove them.

Do you seriously believe that Tesla just ticked the brakes are good box without performing any tests?

Not backed up? For the first point it is factual, Tesla released a statement, go and read it. Only later did Elon tweet an admission... I am not here to spoon feed you, ya big baby

For the second, that was clearly not a statement of fact, the word 'may' should have helped you deduce this

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 24th May 09:47

[hyphen]

RobDickinson said:

Yeah your right traditional car makers never miss anything.

Who said otherwise?

The various governments have shown by their actions multiple times in the past, that they consider traditional manufacturers as 'too big to fail' so the next scandal or general mis-management will be yet another 'blip'.

Unless you can show me a cast iron guarantee that Trump feels the same about Tesla and has a blank cheque on standby if a bailout is ever needed, it is irrelevant as to how errors compare between Tesla and Detroit. One has been around for over 100 years, the other has not.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 24th May 09:52

[DapperDanMan]

hyphen said:

DapperDanMan said:

You make two statements neither of which is backed up. You present 'facts' without the responsibility to prove them.

Do you seriously believe that Tesla just ticked the brakes are good box without performing any tests?

Not backed up? For the first point it is factual, Tesla released a statement, go and read it. Only later did Elon tweet an admission... I am not here to spoon feed you, ya big baby

For the second, that was clearly not a statement of fact, the word 'may' should have helped you deduce this

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 24th May 09:47

You state facts you back them up. Now go and do a quick google to prove how right you are and report back or is the teacher watching you when you should be finger painting

[hyphen]

Not worth replying to. Have a good day.

[DapperDanMan]

hyphen said:

Not worth replying to. Have a good day.

If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

[Mr2Mike]

DapperDanMan said:

Do you seriously believe that Tesla just ticked the brakes are good box without performing any tests?

How else did cars leave the factory with such poor and inconsistent braking performance?

[Toaster]

DapperDanMan said:

Toaster said:

https://cdn-mobapi.bloomberg.com/wssmobile/v1/vide...

It seems that the Model 3 Goes well, but the brakes do not seem as good and "152 foot to come to a stop from 60mph 7 foot more than the fords F150" In context reviews say the Ford Focus will stop in 110 foot.

Whilst the Tesla Fans may say so what, I suspect in future when more electric cars are out there this type of performance may become more important.

The issue has been identified has it not and a software fix is in the pipeline

https://electrek.co/2018/05/22/tesla-will-update-m...

So nothing to see here really.

Ah a software fix will make a car stop faster....So why was this not done in R&D stopping distances are a major consideration for any Manufacturer is it not

[liner33]

Toaster said:

Ah a software fix will make a car stop faster....So why was this not done in R&D stopping distances are a major consideration for any Manufacturer is it not

No you have to pay extra for "premium brakes"