Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...
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JonChalk said:
Burwood - what's the source for that photo, please?
Or can I shamelessly steal it and re-post on SpeakEv - that opening vent in the ID.3 bonnet is curious & not seen that in any ID.3 picture before.
Just VW copying Tesla's market leading presence yet again. "Panel Gaps are the new black".Or can I shamelessly steal it and re-post on SpeakEv - that opening vent in the ID.3 bonnet is curious & not seen that in any ID.3 picture before.
t! I thought I was being original and then sure enough, no I wasn't. In my defence, I'd not read that far down the thread yet =)p1stonhead said:
JonChalk said:
Could actually be popped open for something?
p1stonhead said:
DonkeyApple said:
jjwilde said:
I wish Tesla would get on and release their pickup. It looks amazingly cool from what we've seen.
It’ll be interesting to see how a left wing, climate change believing, hippy, commie, traitor drivetrain will be accepted into a Freedom Fries, God loving, animal loving, apocalypse expecting, colour hating, sister loving body shape. It’s a massive market but when you start much more than 70 miles from the sea in America it goes Nazi mental really quickly.
It’s also a really US specific product in many ways which gives it weak appeal overseas in contrast to say a mid sized SUV.
But then again for the people who you refer to their hatred of being seen as ‘green’ probably overrules that.
hyphen said:
Why do you think Elon was sucking up to Trump, he needs an endorsement for the rednecks
Trump had/has a Tesla before he was president. So I think the redneck types are ok with Tesla.The Tesla truck would pull a boat sure, but you might want to look at the Rivian truck for now.
Oh and I found this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQBRyR1JGBo a ModelX pulling a 287,000pound plane. A record apparently.
REALIST123 said:
You don’t believe that story do you?
Are you imagining the poster standing there, counting the passers by, estimating how many of them were expressing positive comments as they stopped?
Doesn’t happen. Not even with proper super cars.
I doubt most people would even notice a Tesla of any flavour, anywhere, any more than any other car. They just don’t.
It’s the myth of fingerprints.
Believe it or not. I went out to get takeout, the Tesla was parked outside one of the curry houses, whose owner I know well and whose son is a friend. I stopped to chat. A large number of people came up to the Tesla and said exactly the things above (large as a proportion of those walking by of an evening).Are you imagining the poster standing there, counting the passers by, estimating how many of them were expressing positive comments as they stopped?
Doesn’t happen. Not even with proper super cars.
I doubt most people would even notice a Tesla of any flavour, anywhere, any more than any other car. They just don’t.
It’s the myth of fingerprints.
Meanwhile there was actually a Lamborghini doing “laps” of the area, as usually happens on Asian wedding days. And the level of interest generated by it was minimal.
I was chatting with my friends for about 15 minutes. I didn’t have a clipboard, I didn’t stay all night, and I certainly don’t present it as data.
But if you don’t believe me by all means call Monsoon on Brick Lane and ask to talk to the owner’s son. Hell, come by and talk to himself - he’ll make you a nice Biryani whilst there
Heres Johnny said:
I don't know what you're going on about but I have trouble not staring at people with a big boil on their face, doesn't make them attractive.
I've got enough data points to make your eyes weep at some of the price changes. A 2017 MX 100D average advertised price has dropped 11k in the last 3 months, it was holding its value fairly well, but its on a free fall at the moment as the P100Ds are tumbling after the price cuts earlier in the year.
These are the average advertsied prices each quarter for the make and model
Advertised price =/= transaction price.I've got enough data points to make your eyes weep at some of the price changes. A 2017 MX 100D average advertised price has dropped 11k in the last 3 months, it was holding its value fairly well, but its on a free fall at the moment as the P100Ds are tumbling after the price cuts earlier in the year.
These are the average advertsied prices each quarter for the make and model
And I’m not at all surprised at those values if they are indeed transaction prices. A Model X is a big chunk of change, it is not a mass market vehicle, and it’s purchase will be driven by sentiment - something that has been very volatile of late.
Forgive me for saying so, but your apparent misapprehension is that deals (and prices) are driven solely or mainly by sentiment about the vehicle itself, and not also (and possibly predominantly) by external forces.
Does that make it “harder” to move on than say a BMW? Undoubtedly, but that was always apparent. Just as values of Astons, McLarens and so on are volatile and demand can be patchy.
To pull this back to the thread title, does this unsurprising feature of the pricey car market indicate an inherent weakness in the brand so much so that it calls into question Tesla’s survival? For me the answer is “not obviously.”
skwdenyer said:
Heres Johnny said:
I don't know what you're going on about but I have trouble not staring at people with a big boil on their face, doesn't make them attractive.
I've got enough data points to make your eyes weep at some of the price changes. A 2017 MX 100D average advertised price has dropped 11k in the last 3 months, it was holding its value fairly well, but its on a free fall at the moment as the P100Ds are tumbling after the price cuts earlier in the year.
These are the average advertsied prices each quarter for the make and model
Advertised price =/= transaction price.I've got enough data points to make your eyes weep at some of the price changes. A 2017 MX 100D average advertised price has dropped 11k in the last 3 months, it was holding its value fairly well, but its on a free fall at the moment as the P100Ds are tumbling after the price cuts earlier in the year.
These are the average advertsied prices each quarter for the make and model
And I’m not at all surprised at those values if they are indeed transaction prices. A Model X is a big chunk of change, it is not a mass market vehicle, and it’s purchase will be driven by sentiment - something that has been very volatile of late.
Forgive me for saying so, but your apparent misapprehension is that deals (and prices) are driven solely or mainly by sentiment about the vehicle itself, and not also (and possibly predominantly) by external forces.
Does that make it “harder” to move on than say a BMW? Undoubtedly, but that was always apparent. Just as values of Astons, McLarens and so on are volatile and demand can be patchy.
To pull this back to the thread title, does this unsurprising feature of the pricey car market indicate an inherent weakness in the brand so much so that it calls into question Tesla’s survival? For me the answer is “not obviously.”
REALIST123 said:
hyphen said:
skwdenyer said:
On Brick Lane tonight, a white 2017 Model X 100D was parked, owned by a chauffeur company who operate only Teslas. Probably 50% of passers by stopped to take a look. At the same time, due to a local Asian wedding, one of the "yoot done good" was parading around in a hired Aventador. That Lamborghini got nary a glance compared to the Tesla.
It should be pointed out that Brick Lane is frequently home to glammed-up Range Rovers, various hired exotica, the odd Bentley or Rolls Royce, some Porsches, etc. Decent cars are not uncommon. Admiring glances are not unusual. But a gaggle of passers-by flocking around a plain white SUV asking "how much" and "how fast" and "only £60k for a 2017 plate with free fuel for life? I'm off to look on Autotrader!" is a little more unusual.
Nice anecdote. Meanwhile in the real world a member on here started a thread just a few days ago, saying its a nightmare to sell his X. Tesla won't buy it, no one else will, he is doing a sale or return...It should be pointed out that Brick Lane is frequently home to glammed-up Range Rovers, various hired exotica, the odd Bentley or Rolls Royce, some Porsches, etc. Decent cars are not uncommon. Admiring glances are not unusual. But a gaggle of passers-by flocking around a plain white SUV asking "how much" and "how fast" and "only £60k for a 2017 plate with free fuel for life? I'm off to look on Autotrader!" is a little more unusual.
skwdenyer said:
But Tesla is already as large as BMW were when they launched the iconic E30 3 series
Im not sure you can directly compare the sales volumes of two dates that far apart...Edited by hyphen on Thursday 18th July 23:00
Are you imagining the poster standing there, counting the passers by, estimating how many of them were expressing positive comments as they stopped?
Doesn’t happen. Not even with proper super cars.
I doubt most people would even notice a Tesla of any flavour, anywhere, any more than any other car. They just don’t.
It’s the myth of fingerprints.
Where to park the Monster Truck sized X?
jjwilde said:
Trump had/has a Tesla before he was president. So I think the redneck types are ok with Tesla.
The Tesla truck would pull a boat sure, but you might want to look at the Rivian truck for now.
Oh and I found this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQBRyR1JGBo a ModelX pulling a 287,000pound plane. A record apparently.
I'd suggest that an electric car is the perfect thing for towing - it's the epic torque from low. Makes sense that diesel trains aren't really diesel but are rather diesel electric, where the ability to move a gajillion tonnes from standstill is key.The Tesla truck would pull a boat sure, but you might want to look at the Rivian truck for now.
Oh and I found this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQBRyR1JGBo a ModelX pulling a 287,000pound plane. A record apparently.
Might hurt the range, but you'll be going slower anyway.
RobDickinson said:
Lol reality doesn't exist for the Tesla fudsters
Rob: "OMG Tesla is largest growing car manufacturer in USA"Everyone else: "But Rob, EV sales are still less than 1% of the total market, and Tesla has been going for 16 years... The other manufacturers haven't bothered to compete properly yet as they are selling tons of non-evs"
Rob: "I will be flying my Tesla to Mars next week."
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 20th July 09:36
RobDickinson said:
Lol reality doesn't exist for the Tesla fudsters
Says someone obsessed with propaganda, obsessed with ignoring any facts that don’t suit, obsessed with attacking any product that might be deemed competition to Tesla, who resorts the angry insults at the drop of a hat and who has a whole list of ‘names’ and ‘words’ by which to categorise other people. 
If there is one chap who has opted out of reality the whole of PH knows who it is.
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