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REALIST123 said:
As said, BIK isn’t a factor for the majority of them. They’re a small part of the whole.
“The HMRC estimates indicate that driver take-up of company cars continues to decline.
Newly published Benefit in Kind statistics from HMRC show an estimated 940,000 drivers paid Benefit?in?Kind on a car in 2016/17 – down 2% from 960,000 the year before.”
In general thats probably true and when they changed the rules where the actual tax was the higher of the true cost of the car or the BIK rate if the car was through an optional or salary sacrifice arrangement, with only ULEV being exempt you can see why many would walk away - whats the point of a company car if the cost to you is the same as the cost of running? All you do is lose the flexibility to change with a company car“The HMRC estimates indicate that driver take-up of company cars continues to decline.
Newly published Benefit in Kind statistics from HMRC show an estimated 940,000 drivers paid Benefit?in?Kind on a car in 2016/17 – down 2% from 960,000 the year before.”
I do uspect there will be a bump up for pure EVs next year - whether thats 1k or 100k cars is hard to know. But even 5k cars would be a big increase in the number of pure EVs. I can also imagine of lot of them will be totally hacked off if they think think they're issue free, just like the ipace owners were.
hyphen said:
Only for those who have a company car to keep them happy and just commute?
Those on the road making money won't be wanting to be making long charging stops, and neither will their employers.
It’s going to be a trade off for many companies as sitting on the flip side of staff inconvenience is the ability to promote an image of giving a fThose on the road making money won't be wanting to be making long charging stops, and neither will their employers.
k about the environment. According to a figure above there are 1m potential BIK consumers. Maybe around half don’t have offstreet parking? What percentage of those left currently use a car in a manner that suits an EV?
It’s a useful move but it’s still Command Economics at play not Free Market.
dmsims said:
DonkeyApple said:
It’s a useful move but it’s still Command Economics at play not Free Market.
Not sure it's about economics but more about killing diesel (rightly so) in a more "subtle" way than just slapping 30p on a litreMoving towards ‘killing’ diesel, without a wide range of affordable EV alternatives was a mistake, in hindsight. It may still be premature.
dmsims said:
REALIST123 said:
As diesel sales fall vehicle CO2 emissions are rising.
Source ? and if you did a modicum of research you would know that the health risks from diesel were known when Gordon Brown made the dash for diesel
dmsims said:
REALIST123 said:
As diesel sales fall vehicle CO2 emissions are rising.
Source ? and if you did a modicum of research you would know that the health risks from diesel were known when Gordon Brown made the dash for diesel
You can then choose from the many sources reporting this over the past couple of years. It’s not really in doubt.
And I’m well aware of the situation when Brown et al ‘made the dash for diesel’. In fact I was working with some businesses developing lean burn for petrol engines at the time.
The fact that they got it wrong back then doesn’t mean they’ve got it right more recently.
If you took your own advice, you might learn that new, well maintained diesels give similar levels of particulate emissions as petrol and less CO2. Of course that doesn’t remove the problem of older diesels which are far worse, but recent government policy doesn’t affect them, it affects new diesels.
What they’ve done, other than badly damaging the auto industry in general, is increase levels of CO2, and maintain levels of particulates.
V10 SPM said:
Are the health risks from electric cars really yet fully understood? I suspect not.
I know which one i'd be happy to lie down behind and breath in.And for local air quality? It will be a crazy good game changer. I hate some streets in Newcastle because you can taste the diesel in the air and where the buses sit you can see the diesel dirt up the walls.
jjwilde said:
I know which one i'd be happy to lie down behind and breath in.
And for local air quality? It will be a crazy good game changer. I hate some streets in Newcastle because you can taste the diesel in the air and where the buses sit you can see the diesel dirt up the walls.
electric buses are a boon to clean air in citiesAnd for local air quality? It will be a crazy good game changer. I hate some streets in Newcastle because you can taste the diesel in the air and where the buses sit you can see the diesel dirt up the walls.
we have them on the park & ride routes in York - game changer as far as local pollution is concerned
JPJPJP said:
jjwilde said:
I know which one i'd be happy to lie down behind and breath in.
And for local air quality? It will be a crazy good game changer. I hate some streets in Newcastle because you can taste the diesel in the air and where the buses sit you can see the diesel dirt up the walls.
electric buses are a boon to clean air in citiesAnd for local air quality? It will be a crazy good game changer. I hate some streets in Newcastle because you can taste the diesel in the air and where the buses sit you can see the diesel dirt up the walls.
we have them on the park & ride routes in York - game changer as far as local pollution is concerned
Burwood said:
when i worked in Canary Wharf it used to really get on my tits watching all the private hire chauffeurs just sit outside the banks(sometimes for an hour or more) engines running. I'm surprised they haven't banned it.
It would get on your tits seeing them all lined up at the Heathrow supercharger too while you're waiting to get on which is what quite a few Tesla private hire cars now do. dmsims said:
REALIST123 said:
Might I suggest you search on ‘Emissions rise as diesel sales fall’?
You can then choose from the many sources reporting this over the past couple of years. It’s not really in doubt.
Can you provide the actual data for emissions? (and answer the question)You can then choose from the many sources reporting this over the past couple of years. It’s not really in doubt.
As I said, it’s not really in doubt.
Prove me (and just about every authority involved) wrong if you can.
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