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gangzoom said:
We have a very modest 4KW PV panel, it's generating on average 3000kWh per year, that's actually more no-EV charging electricity we use up every year.
That's interesting to know, i was told i can get 4.6KW of panels on my place, 3000kWh would power my M3P (if it ever comes...) for the whole year! It really would be zero emission hooning then
gangzoom said:
oop north said:
I don’t have a Tesla power wall because WBW maths isn’t there. £7k for 13 kWh storage
PowerWall prices themselves recently went up and gateway 2 is also more expensive than gateway 1. Your now looking at £9K+ for total fresh install cost including tax.
Dave Hedgehog said:
That's interesting to know, i was told i can get 4.6KW of panels on my place, 3000kWh would power my M3P (if it ever comes...) for the whole year!
It really would be zero emission hooning then
Our panels aren't even in ideal positioning, adding more panels whilst getting the roof redone is a no-brainer. Especially if the summer keeps getting hotter, you can than run aircon most of the day without worrying about the electricity bill.It really would be zero emission hooning then
However to make use of that energy you either need to store it or have you car home charging in day time.
Powerwalls financially don't make sense, but knowing you can generate your own electricity for transportation is an attractive idea, and if you can afford it why not?
gangzoom said:
Our panels aren't even in ideal positioning, adding more panels whilst getting the roof redone is a no-brainer. Especially if the summer keeps getting hotter, you can than run aircon most of the day without worrying about the electricity bill.
However to make use of that energy you either need to store it or have you car home charging in day time.
Powerwalls financially don't make sense, but knowing you can generate your own electricity for transportation is an attractive idea, and if you can afford it why not?
Indeed, at that point we have reached a sustainable transportation method.However to make use of that energy you either need to store it or have you car home charging in day time.
Powerwalls financially don't make sense, but knowing you can generate your own electricity for transportation is an attractive idea, and if you can afford it why not?
gangzoom said:
Powerwalls financially don't make sense, but knowing you can generate your own electricity for transportation is an attractive idea, and if you can afford it why not?
Because I don’t like wasting money? Cos that’s what it is, isn’t it? I would rather give money away to a good charity than waste it on conning myself that I am being greener when driving aroundoop north said:
Because I don’t like wasting money? Cos that’s what it is, isn’t it? I would rather give money away to a good charity than waste it on conning myself that I am being greener when driving around
Buying a new car isn't wasting money? Or going on holiday isn't a waste of money? Or even having a beer? Plenty of ways of wasting money, not sure why going for solar PV/battery storage is any worse in your opion.
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 29th August 19:08
gangzoom said:
What exactly is your points, solar PV is rubbish? Local battery electricity storage doesn't work??
We have a very modest 4KW PV panel, it's generating on average 3000kWh per year, that's actually more no-EV charging electricity we use up every year.
I'm currently just waiting for WesterPower to give us the 'OK' to install a referral prize PowerWall, it will be interesting to see how much it reduces our grid demand - certainly our day time use will drop to 0 kWh, even in the middle of winter as we'll charge the PowerWall overnight (like the car) with cheap electricity if there isn't enough solar.
If the numbers look good when we do the house extension am certainly going to get another 4-6KW of solar PV added, which might warranty another PowerWall -However with Solar PV VAT going up to 20% very soon the numbers will certainly not justify it, but life isn't always about numbers.
Personally I really cannot see why anyone wouldn't want to reduce their grid consumption if they can.
If you buy the Powerwall through your own VAT-registered company, then sell the stored electricity to yourself at your lowest marginal rate + VAT, can’t you engineer getting back the VAT hike? We have a very modest 4KW PV panel, it's generating on average 3000kWh per year, that's actually more no-EV charging electricity we use up every year.
I'm currently just waiting for WesterPower to give us the 'OK' to install a referral prize PowerWall, it will be interesting to see how much it reduces our grid demand - certainly our day time use will drop to 0 kWh, even in the middle of winter as we'll charge the PowerWall overnight (like the car) with cheap electricity if there isn't enough solar.
If the numbers look good when we do the house extension am certainly going to get another 4-6KW of solar PV added, which might warranty another PowerWall -However with Solar PV VAT going up to 20% very soon the numbers will certainly not justify it, but life isn't always about numbers.
Personally I really cannot see why anyone wouldn't want to reduce their grid consumption if they can.
RobDickinson said:
2020 every new house in Cali is required to have Solar. I think they will be fine.
A quick look online shows that 'Cali' builds 80,000 homes a year. Assume many will be apartment blocks too.Would I be right in thinking that only high-end house-builders will buy the Tesla branded stuff as its more expensive and margins count? and the rest will go for cheaper ranges?
So the market available to Tesla is small?
Edited by hyphen on Thursday 29th August 22:00
RobDickinson said:
2020 every new house in Cali is required to have Solar. I think they will be fine.
That’s it all sorted then. The number three player is going to get a slice of new builds in one State. Not that the business case was built around exist home across the US changing their roof tiles. 
Blommberg today: 'Global electric vehicle sales hit 588,000 in the second quarter of 2019. The rate of growth is slowing down slightly in 2019, but the market is still up 43% year-on-year. Global EV penetration increased to 3.8% of sales, as total vehicle sales are dropping in large markets. Three times as many battery electrics were sold as plug-in hybrids'
PS2018 said:
Blommberg today: 'Global electric vehicle sales hit 588,000 in the second quarter of 2019. The rate of growth is slowing down slightly in 2019, but the market is still up 43% year-on-year. Global EV penetration increased to 3.8% of sales, as total vehicle sales are dropping in large markets. Three times as many battery electrics were sold as plug-in hybrids'
600,000 EVs sold with nearly 8 billion people on the planet.Wow.
T-195 said:
PS2018 said:
Blommberg today: 'Global electric vehicle sales hit 588,000 in the second quarter of 2019. The rate of growth is slowing down slightly in 2019, but the market is still up 43% year-on-year. Global EV penetration increased to 3.8% of sales, as total vehicle sales are dropping in large markets. Three times as many battery electrics were sold as plug-in hybrids'
600,000 EVs sold with nearly 8 billion people on the planet.Wow.
Heres Johnny said:
T-195 said:
PS2018 said:
Blommberg today: 'Global electric vehicle sales hit 588,000 in the second quarter of 2019. The rate of growth is slowing down slightly in 2019, but the market is still up 43% year-on-year. Global EV penetration increased to 3.8% of sales, as total vehicle sales are dropping in large markets. Three times as many battery electrics were sold as plug-in hybrids'
600,000 EVs sold with nearly 8 billion people on the planet.Wow.
. The demand would be insane especially if they had autonomous flush. Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff