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[DonkeyApple]

Burwood said:

DonkeyApple said:

I think it’s fair that they haven’t to be honest. You can’t specifically judge a man by his parentage. He is a weird chap, he does hail from a weird family but I do feel that someone should be taken to task on the things that they do and not necessarily the things their father has done.

That you Donkey? Login hijack

It’s not as if he isn’t short of his own failings to have a pop at in any regard.

But like most weird, tech billionaires you wouldn’t rush to invite him to entertain at your child’s party.

[jjwilde]

I would not invite that Thai expat diver to a children's party either, would you?

No matter what Musk said, that divers history is sketch.

[Heres Johnny]

jjwilde said:

I would not invite that Thai expat diver to a children's party either, would you?

No matter what Musk said, that divers history is sketch.

Educate us...

[jamoor]

DonkeyApple said:

I think it’s fair that they haven’t to be honest. You can’t specifically judge a man by his parentage. He is a weird chap, he does hail from a weird family but I do feel that someone should be taken to task on the things that they do and not necessarily the things their father has done.

Or anyone else for that matter.

[Smiljan]

jjwilde said:

I would not invite that Thai expat diver to a children's party either, would you?

No matter what Musk said, that divers history is sketch.

Ok, explain please.

[Burwood]

Smiljan said:

jjwilde said:

I would not invite that Thai expat diver to a children's party either, would you?

No matter what Musk said, that divers history is sketch.

Ok, explain please.

Thailand, the deviants playground?

[Smiljan]

He said the divers history is sketchy so he wouldn't invite him to a children's party.

Pretty much the exact same fact less slander Musk has found himself in court for. Is the only base for that slander "because he lives in Thailand"? or does our Pistonhead commenter actually have some actual facts pertaining to the case that he can share. I'd suggest if he does the court may like to know given the ongoing case.

[Smiljan]

Moving back to Tesla

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-nurburgrin...

Pretty impressive if true, 20 seconds off the Taycan time even if it's a highly modified prototype on slick tyres.

[Smiljan]

In Tesla timescales it'll actually happen in 2040. Production version starting production Oct / Nov 2020.

Admitting this isn't a production car so no record can be set, comparing it to the Porsche therefore pointless.

[Some Gump]

Smiljan said:

Moving back to Tesla

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-nurburgrin...

Pretty impressive if true, 20 seconds off the Taycan time even if it's a highly modified prototype on slick tyres.

If it 's slicks vs road tyres its not a comparison worth making for a second.
Not that ring times mean anything anyway, but as an example a 944 on slicks is considerably quicker (>5s a lap) over a lap of croft than a 944 turbo on p zero corsas. If the gap osthat big over a short track like croft, with slower cars then gut feel says that 20s faster on slicks is slower in comparison.

I'm sure in time it'll get a bit more clear, and when it does it'll still be mostly irrelevent...

[Smiljan]

It's done the job of getting free press for Tesla on the back of a Porsche launch, for that you can't fault them.

Sadly the preachers at the church of Tesla (aka nutjobs) will now attribute this lap time as some sort of second coming and proof that their beloved Model S is in fact "better" than any other car - despite the fact they abandoned it in droves when the Model 3 arrived and S sales have tanked.

It'll be interesting to see if they actually release a lap time and some more details on the car after this week is over, just to see what they've done.

[Witchfinder]

I guess Porsche will just have to do a Taycan GT3 RS

[RobDickinson]

Smiljan said:

In Tesla timescales it'll actually happen in 2040. Production version starting production Oct / Nov 2020.

Admitting this isn't a production car so no record can be set, comparing it to the Porsche therefore pointless.

The Porsche wasn't a production car either.

[Some Gump]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29089178/tesla-...

Car and driver reporting that the tesla was running ps2's.

Ps2's are NOT slicks. If that lap was on ps2's then that pisses on porche's chips quite significantly... There should be no doubt that anything Porsche do at the ring would be on the edge if road legal tyres sothat would be quite like for like...

[Dave Hedgehog]

Smiljan said:

In Tesla timescales it'll actually happen in 2040. Production version starting production Oct / Nov 2020.

Admitting this isn't a production car so no record can be set, comparing it to the Porsche therefore pointless.

Does not matter, it will create huge amounts of free coverage for Tesla

[RobDickinson]

Just look at all the news sites, Porsche must be pissed multi million dollar car launch gets tesla all the press

[hyphen]

Smiljan said:

Moving back to Tesla

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-nurburgrin...

Pretty impressive if true, 20 seconds off the Taycan time even if it's a highly modified prototype on slick tyres.

Anyone else not believe it had a 20sec gap? As always, follow the money, and struggling publishers like this old mag will know full well the amount of press they will get out of it.

I imagine it won't be long before we see Taycan vs production S in Topgear or other shows, so that will indicate the realities a bit more.

The Option for breaks on Taycan are carbon ceramic , 16.5 inches up front, 16.1 inches in back which is probably what was used by Porsche for their timed lap.

What does a Model S come with?

Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 17th September 21:06

[anonymous-user]

Why the pessimism? Do you think Musk is a bit of a con artist or something?

Maybe his companies are working on the edge of progress, after all.

[hyphen]

Sambucket said:

Why the pessimism....

Tesla didn't set-out to create a sports car with the S, they made a saloon with fast acceleration.

Unless I'm wrong, I recall nothing of the Model S being designed for aerodynamics, or laps and laps of laptime put in to fine tune it. And isn't there a 'use the launch control too much and warranty is gone' type attitude?

So accidentally they have managed to create a track monster, by accident.

[skwdenyer]

hyphen said:

Sambucket said:

Why the pessimism....

Tesla didn't set-out to create a sports car with the S, they made a saloon with fast acceleration.

Unless I'm wrong, I recall nothing of the Model S being designed for aerodynamics, or laps and laps of laptime put in to fine tune it. And isn't there a 'use the launch control too much and warranty is gone' type attitude?

So accidentally they have managed to create a track monster, by accident.

This model (that with the "Plaid" underpinnings) is specifically developed as a driving machine. It has been tuned at Laguna Seca. It is not the same machine as the regular S. That said, the S' fundamentals (decent suspension, low CoG, wide track, etc.) mean it isn't hard to imagine it as a proper sports saloon.