Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

[jamoor]

hyphen said:

SWoll said:

jamoor said:

SWoll said:

I think calling an ICE car obsolete in 2019 is a ridiculous statement personally.

We will soon be running 2 EV's as they suit our use perfectly and I'm a big fan of the technology but we are still a long way from that being the case for everyone IMHO and a good 5-10 years before EV's overtake ICE in new sales.

Well with cities looking to ban ICE cars today and now, I’d say it’s not far off obsolescence if you buy a car and can only drive it on motorways and towns.

I thought the ban was for diesel in the very centre of certain cities rather than all ICE cars?

Either way still plenty of people that won't be affected I'm sure.

Yup, Jamoor is in fantasy land.

Certain cities can just about get away with banning ice vehicles that are measurably poorer than other ice cars, but banning ice cars 'today and now' is not true.

Ah so just 40% of the cars on the road today... that’s a lot of cars that will begin to get banned from cities ....

I’d say the government won’t need to go ahead with their plan to ban the sale of engine powered cars in 2040 as the market will have taken care of it.

[The_Nugget]

Lt. Coulomb said:

For that Tesla must disable the cars’ indicators first.

It’s ok, they can do that with an over the air update.
It’s already programmed in for 1st April 2020 to put the final nail in BMW’s coffin.

[Tuna]

The challenge for Tesla in the UK particularly when it comes to stealing those suburban BMW owners is surely the number of owners who only have on-street parking.

[anonymous-user]

I have home charging but it’s usually equally convenient to charge when out and about. So I use it much less than expected to point I’m not sure I’d get another if I moved.

[Tuna]

Sambucket said:

I have home charging but it’s usually equally convenient to charge when out and about. So I use it much less than expected to point I’m not sure I’d get another if I moved.

That's something you need to find out for yourself - I'd not buy a car on the off chance I can charge it when out and about.

To a large extent I think the manufacturers have answered the range anxiety question - but I don't know that the average purchaser has enough exposure to EV ownership to feel confident to make the choice.

[anonymous-user]

charging times are dropping fast. Super chargers currently do 600 miles an hour. Car parks 165.

How long before it takes 5 mins to fill up? Not long IMO.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 16th November 21:47

[jamoor]

Sambucket said:

charging times are dropping fast. Super chargers currently do 600 miles an hour. Car parks 165.

How long before it takes 5 mins tp fill up? Not long IMO

Edited by Sambucket on Saturday 16th November 21:02

You don’t even need to fill up, it’s just enough to get you back home which the car calculates then you can plug in once home.

[Burwood]

jamoor said:

Sambucket said:

charging times are dropping fast. Super chargers currently do 600 miles an hour. Car parks 165.

How long before it takes 5 mins tp fill up? Not long IMO

Edited by Sambucket on Saturday 16th November 21:02

You don’t even need to fill up, it’s just enough to get you back home which the car calculates then you can plug in once home.

We’re years away from that. You like in an EV bubble if you believe that.

[jamoor]

Burwood said:

We’re years away from that. You like in an EV bubble if you believe that.

Haha nice one

[anonymous-user]

Some years. Not too many.

[ZesPak]

SWoll said:

I thought the ban was for diesel in the very centre of certain cities rather than all ICE cars?

Either way still plenty of people that won't be affected I'm sure.

Here in Belgium they are doing it year by year based on Euro norm. By 2025 no diesels lower than Euro 6 and petrol lower than Euro 3 are allowed in Antwerp and Ghent. That's just 5 years from now.
The biggest problem however is the uncertainty. Some people buy their car to keep it more than 5 years, but no restrictions beyond '25 have been announced...
Euro 6 is the most recent norm, but no guarantee you can drive it in the bigger cities in 7 years.

[jamoor]

Sambucket said:

Some years. Not too many.

By some you mean 0

[Dave Hedgehog]

jamoor said:

Sambucket said:

Some years. Not too many.

By some you mean 0

In that it’s exactly what Tesla’s do lol

If you use the 2005 2D inaccurate sat nav built into the car of course

[Heres Johnny]

Burwood said:

jamoor said:

Sambucket said:

charging times are dropping fast. Super chargers currently do 600 miles an hour. Car parks 165.

How long before it takes 5 mins tp fill up? Not long IMO

Edited by Sambucket on Saturday 16th November 21:02

You don’t even need to fill up, it’s just enough to get you back home which the car calculates then you can plug in once home.

We’re years away from that. You like in an EV bubble if you believe that.

No, that’s exactly what Teslas do, they tell you how long you need to charge before resuming your trip to reach your destination with a reserve of about 10%

On the other side, the 600 miles per hour charging lasts for about 5 mins, that’s still 50 miles chucked in the car in that time but they then tend to taper down.

[Some Gump]

Gandahar said:

Coming late to the party can be a poor thing though. For example video cards for PCs. Nvidia typically have got out their first and got the limelight, as Tesla have done so far and VW now doing, lots of interest and column inches. In 18 months time it will be just one of many popping up weekly. It will be a news item on Autocar that soon drifts off the front page unless they really raise the bar.

We will see though.

Nvidia were late to the party though.

In the early days of 3d / GPU's, the market leader was 3Dfx, then you had S3, etc. It was only after the voodoo 2 that nvidia launched the first geforce, which was so much better that the voodoo 3 was the last 3dfx card.

..not that the analogy is right anyway but imo nvidia shows that the advantage doesn't sit with the first to market, but rather with the people that get in relatively early, but after the market is created and then execute the best product based on the costly learnings of all the early players. Apple and google did much the same with the emerging mp3 and search products.

[ZesPak]

I really don't see the obsession with ever faster charging.
Right now it's easy to get 600km/h.
This means that on a holiday (as regular driving can be covered by home /work charging) every 300km you'd have to stop for half an hour. Maybe too much for a young guy on his own, but for a family far from problematic. And that's two times /year.

[Tuna]

Some Gump said:

Gandahar said:

Coming late to the party can be a poor thing though. For example video cards for PCs. Nvidia typically have got out their first and got the limelight, as Tesla have done so far and VW now doing, lots of interest and column inches. In 18 months time it will be just one of many popping up weekly. It will be a news item on Autocar that soon drifts off the front page unless they really raise the bar.

We will see though.

Nvidia were late to the party though.

In the early days of 3d / GPU's, the market leader was 3Dfx, then you had S3, etc. It was only after the voodoo 2 that nvidia launched the first geforce, which was so much better that the voodoo 3 was the last 3dfx card.

..not that the analogy is right anyway but imo nvidia shows that the advantage doesn't sit with the first to market, but rather with the people that get in relatively early, but after the market is created and then execute the best product based on the costly learnings of all the early players. Apple and google did much the same with the emerging mp3 and search products.

Glad I'm not the only one to spot the inconsistency. Palm with the Palm Pilot, Blackberry with their communicator, Nokia with the cell phone, Psion with the hand held. Compaq, IBM, Sun...

I'm sure there must be examples of 'first mover advantage' in tech sales, but it seems to me there are many counter examples. The big point here is that Tesla's sales have not put anyone out of business, nor significantly dented their profits - which means that their competitors are still able to compete.

[DonkeyApple]

Tuna said:

The challenge for Tesla in the UK particularly when it comes to stealing those suburban BMW owners is surely the number of owners who only have on-street parking.

It’s the challenge they all face but you’d think it would be less of an issue for a brand like BMW? 50% of UK households have off street parking and you’d think that outside of the 1 series that 50% would be larger for your average BMW owner than for other brands?

I don’t get the animosity for BMW other than they were the IT brand in CA before it was Tesla’s turn. They’ve brought out two EVs so far and are launching the Mini soon. Plus they are investing with JLR to electrify their SUVs. In reality they are moving along well in terms of delivering EVs to the very slowly growing consumer market demand for EVs.

[Evanivitch]

DonkeyApple said:

They’ve brought out two EVs so far and are launching the Mini soon.

i3 and...?

[DonkeyApple]

Evanivitch said:

DonkeyApple said:

They’ve brought out two EVs so far and are launching the Mini soon.

i3 and...?

I’m including the i8 but for pedantry that can be binned.

They’ve done the ground up i3, the mini is due shortly and they are working on the SUVs. It doesn’t seem like a company that has sat on its arse or ignored the impending change but rather one that has noted the change and is working in line with that rate of change. Not much point in building a million EVs if you can’t buy a million battery packs and there aren’t a million consumers.