690 miles in an electric car with a 18 months old :)
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The Mad Monk said:
Hmm.
Not quite.
FFS, if people want to argue about emissions claims etc do it on a different thread.Not quite.
How many times have I mentioned 'zero emission' as my movitation for getting an EV? I think your find its zero
.I cannot stop driving our EV because ita a BETTER driving experience, I thought people on this forum would understand that more than most??
I've done 12K in the Tesla since March last year, previously my annual mileage was just 8k. When ever possible I now take the scenic route, and I thought I never say that when driving a 2.5 ton 6 seater SUV!!!
rscott said:
Not a particularly sensible point though. Most people considering purchasing a new EV would probably also have evaluated a new ICE vehicle as an alternative option, not a £1k barge.
Similarly someone looking to spend £60k on a new ICE BMW is highly unlikely to be comparing it to a £1k 20 year old BMW.
Actually my other chocie of car would have been one of these...Similarly someone looking to spend £60k on a new ICE BMW is highly unlikely to be comparing it to a £1k 20 year old BMW.
Or this
So I find any comparisons with a E46 or talk of saving the planet to be quite comical!!
Incidentally I have no interest in either anymore
.gangzoom said:
I find your concern about EVs odd as you have nothing invested in EVs
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Last post on Tinrobot's 'Five reasons not to own an LPG car' thread...
wuckfitracing said:
I only have one thing to contribute to this. Next week Im having LPG fitted to my Car ,
And guess who converted it Tinrobot? Cheers for the thread mate. Hope you're getting over the depression you mentioned you were suffering from over Xmas on that other thread you started but thought this was Pistonheads not Dear Deidre. SimonYorkshire said:
gangzoom said:
I find your concern about EVs odd as you have nothing invested in EVs
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Last post on Tinrobot's 'Five reasons not to own an LPG car' thread...
wuckfitracing said:
I only have one thing to contribute to this. Next week Im having LPG fitted to my Car ,
And guess who converted it Tinrobot? Cheers for the thread mate. Hope you're getting over the depression you mentioned you were suffering from over Xmas on that other thread you started but thought this was Pistonheads not Dear Deidre. Nice to see you're gaining free advertising from your posting on here though.
rscott said:
I can probably guess the answer to this - at the time it was the better option, but technology has advanced considerably, making other options far more appealing to him.
Nice to see you're gaining free advertising from your posting on here though.
I didn't get any free advertising, my username on Pistonheads isn't the same as my business name because Pistonheads wouldn't allow me to use my business name. The last poster on Tinrobot's 'Five reasons not to LPG' thread has never contacted me on Pistonheads and we haven't even been on the same thread before. I only know it's the same bloke because when he collected his car after I'd converted it he mentioned other LPG cars that he owns and a rally spec Landrover Tomcat. If there's any hint of free advertising it would have been Tinrobot doing the advertising for the LPG conversion industry due to his 'Five reasons not to LPG' thread having the opposite effect to that which he intended. Nice to see you're gaining free advertising from your posting on here though.
Why are you so ready to guess Tinrobot's motives for running LPG converted cars for 20 years? Why not just let him answer himself? Is this an attempt to save him some embarrassment and distance him from his own hypocrisy after he started the 'Five reasons not have LPG' thread?
Or, if you're talking about the guy on the 'Five reasons' thread who had his vehicle converted to LPG... This LPG conversion was done last week.
Got to go, someone just had a Nissan Elgrand arrive for LPG conversion. Next week the someone will have a Subaru Outback 3L arrive for conversion, then another Elgrand, then a 4.2 supercharged Jag F, etc etc. Many of which could probably cover more than 690 miles without a fuel stop after being converted to LPG, all of which will be able to be refuelled in minutes, all of which were vehicles their owners chose to suit their requirements and pocket from the full range of vehicles available on the market as opposed to the couple of models of EV that might be able to do a couple of hundred miles without having to stop for a long charge beside some special fast rate charger and which cost £80k.
Still not bought an EV yourself Rscott?
Edited by SimonYorkshire on Monday 15th January 10:09
Edited by SimonYorkshire on Monday 15th January 10:11
SimonYorkshire said:
rscott said:
I can probably guess the answer to this - at the time it was the better option, but technology has advanced considerably, making other options far more appealing to him.
Nice to see you're gaining free advertising from your posting on here though.
I didn't get any free advertising, my username on Pistonheads isn't the same as my business name because Pistonheads wouldn't allow me to use my business name. The last poster on Tinrobot's 'Five reasons not to LPG' thread has never contacted me on Pistonheads and we haven't even been on the same thread before. I only know it's the same bloke because when he collected his car after I'd converted it he mentioned other LPG cars that he owns and a rally spec Landrover Tomcat. If there's any hint of free advertising it would have been Tinrobot doing the advertising for the LPG conversion industry due to his 'Five reasons not to LPG' thread having the opposite effect to that which he intended. Nice to see you're gaining free advertising from your posting on here though.
Why are you so ready to guess Tinrobot's motives for running LPG converted cars for 20 years? Why not just let him answer himself? Is this an attempt to save him some embarrassment and distance him from his own hypocrisy after he started the 'Five reasons not have LPG' thread?
Or, if you're talking about the guy on the 'Five reasons' thread who had his vehicle converted to LPG... This LPG conversion was done last week.
Got to go, someone just had a Nissan Elgrand arrive for LPG conversion. Next week the someone will have a Subaru Outback 3L arrive for conversion, then another Elgrand, then a 4.2 supercharged Jag F, etc etc. Many of which could probably cover more than 690 miles without a fuel stop after being converted to LPG, all of which will be able to be refuelled in minutes, all of which were vehicles their owners chose to suit their requirements and pocket from the full range of vehicles available on the market as opposed to the couple of models of EV that might be able to do a couple of hundred miles without having to stop for a long charge beside some special fast rate charger and which cost £80k.
Still not bought an EV yourself Rscott?
Edited by SimonYorkshire on Monday 15th January 10:09
Edited by SimonYorkshire on Monday 15th January 10:11
SimonYorkshire said:
Still not bought an EV yourself Rscott?
rscott said:
Nope - and you've been told the reason why several times.
I seem to remember you were waiting for a soft top EV coming out, and one that had far better range than current EVs? If that's the case... What EV soft top are you waiting for, when will it be on the market, how much will it cost and what will it's range be? Of course, you could have a soft top right now, at a lower price, that holds value better, that won't tie you to a battery lease, that can be refuelled in the usual places and in the usual amount of time. But you might just want the soft top to use for nipping down Tesco's, never enjoying a trip of more than 20 miles in a day. If you have to pay battery lease on a soft top, if it's a second car and you don't use it much through winter, do you still have to pay lease during winter?
SimonYorkshire said:
SimonYorkshire said:
Still not bought an EV yourself Rscott?
rscott said:
Nope - and you've been told the reason why several times.
I seem to remember you were waiting for a soft top EV coming out, and one that had far better range than current EVs? If that's the case... What EV soft top are you waiting for, when will it be on the market, how much will it cost and what will it's range be? Of course, you could have a soft top right now, at a lower price, that holds value better, that won't tie you to a battery lease, that can be refuelled in the usual places and in the usual amount of time. But you might just want the soft top to use for nipping down Tesco's, never enjoying a trip of more than 20 miles in a day. If you have to pay battery lease on a soft top, if it's a second car and you don't use it much through winter, do you still have to pay lease during winter?
Whatever I do get next will also be my daily driver, just like my current ICE convertible.
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I think you'd find people are more inclined to think you spread a sea of s
te and that you're the stalker.. Have another read through your 'Five reasons not to LPG' thread https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...Where did you tell me before, got a link to that post?
Sorry to read you rate your father as a backstreet cowboy shoving in unregulated installations, if you tell me who it is I might be able to provide an informed opinion. Perhaps it was he that didn't keep up rather than the tech - I don't have problems getting excellent results but I've seen a lot go out of business on that point and I repair a lot of LPG installs fitted elsewhere.
You'll be getting rid of your ice cars, then, considering you think petrol clunkers will soon be going to the scrapheap in the sky? And replacing them with an EV for each occasion(?).. What would you have instead of the Porsche? What would recommend Rscott buys as the convertible? Must have forgot hybrids will still have ice engines that can be converted?
This must be about the 8th time I've asked you what cars you've had than ran on LPG, and why you 'bothered' to run on LPG considering every one of them could still run on petrol? You must have had a few cars run on LPG over the 20 years you ran on LPG. What and when was your last LPG'd car?
Edited by SimonYorkshire on Tuesday 16th January 10:27
My thoughts on the OP's trip vs doing it in an ICE car
1) It cost less for fuel
2) It took longer
3) OP was restricted in places to stop and eat (mostly motorway services - no nice country pubs)
So, there are advantages and disadvantages but all things are not yet equal in terms of convenience.
Point 4) would be a comparison of depreciation on a Tesla vs the competition but I've no idea, can anyone chip in?
1) It cost less for fuel
2) It took longer
3) OP was restricted in places to stop and eat (mostly motorway services - no nice country pubs)
So, there are advantages and disadvantages but all things are not yet equal in terms of convenience.
Point 4) would be a comparison of depreciation on a Tesla vs the competition but I've no idea, can anyone chip in?
SimonYorkshire said:
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I think you'd find people are more inclined to think you spread a sea of ste and that you're the stalker.. Have another read through your 'Five reasons not to LPG' thread https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...Where did you tell me before, got a link to that post?
Sorry to read you rate your father as a backstreet cowboy shoving in unregulated installations, if you tell me who it is I might be able to provide an informed opinion. Perhaps it was he that didn't keep up rather than the tech - I don't have problems getting excellent results but I've seen a lot go out of business on that point and I repair a lot of LPG installs fitted elsewhere.
You'll be getting rid of your ice cars, then, considering you think petrol clunkers will soon be going to the scrapheap in the sky? And replacing them with an EV for each occasion(?).. What would you have instead of the Porsche? What would recommend Rscott buys as the convertible? Must have forgot hybrids will still have ice engines that can be converted?
This must be about the 8th time I've asked you what cars you've had than ran on LPG, and why you 'bothered' to run on LPG considering every one of them could still run on petrol? You must have had a few cars run on LPG over the 20 years you ran on LPG. What and when was your last LPG'd car?
Edited by SimonYorkshire on Tuesday 16th January 10:27
He already has replaced one ICE with an EV, presumably because a suitable EV exists for that usage. As has been said before, there aren't EVs to suit everyone yet. Why would there be - not every manufacturer makes an ICE vehicle in every market segment either. As take up of the more mainstream models grows (which it clearly is), manufacturers will start producing niche models (like convertibles).
Converting hybrids - yep, possible, but is it worthwhile? Wouldn't want to convert a brand new vehicle as that risks invalidating the warranty on the drivetrain, or even entire vehicle. Not an option on leased vehicles either.
As for your waffle in bold, did you even read his post? he clearly stated the vehicles were converted because his father worked in the industry (until the company decided it wasn't worth it).
SimonYorkshire said:
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I think you'd find people are more inclined to think you spread a sea of ste and that you're the stalkerLG9k said:
My thoughts on the OP's trip vs doing it in an ICE car
1) It cost less for fuel
2) It took longer
3) OP was restricted in places to stop and eat (mostly motorway services - no nice country pubs)
So, there are advantages and disadvantages but all things are not yet equal in terms of convenience.
Point 4) would be a comparison of depreciation on a Tesla vs the competition but I've no idea, can anyone chip in?
Well the Model X is too new for there to be a reflective 2nd hand market, but comparing the price of 2014 Model S's to BMW 7 series and S-Classes, the Model S holds it's value a lot better, though figures may be distorted by the 15%+ discounts available on these competitors from new1) It cost less for fuel
2) It took longer
3) OP was restricted in places to stop and eat (mostly motorway services - no nice country pubs)
So, there are advantages and disadvantages but all things are not yet equal in terms of convenience.
Point 4) would be a comparison of depreciation on a Tesla vs the competition but I've no idea, can anyone chip in?
2014 S class 25k from £65k ish
2014 Model S 40k from £65k ish
2014 7 Series 20k from £65k ish (ouch)
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