690 miles in an electric car with a 18 months old :)
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babatunde said:
Well the Model X is too new for there to be a reflective 2nd hand market, but comparing the price of 2014 Model S's to BMW 7 series and S-Classes, the Model S holds it's value a lot better, though figures may be distorted by the 15%+ discounts available on these competitors from new
2014 S class 25k from £65k ish
2014 Model S 40k from £65k ish
2014 7 Series 20k from £65k ish (ouch)
One reason for the better residuals of the Tesla is due to it's OTA update capability. The Merc/BMW are running 4yr old software whereas the Tesla's been updated many times adding new features plus performance improvements. 2014 S class 25k from £65k ish
2014 Model S 40k from £65k ish
2014 7 Series 20k from £65k ish (ouch)
babatunde said:
Well the Model X is too new for there to be a reflective 2nd hand market, but comparing the price of 2014 Model S's to BMW 7 series and S-Classes, the Model S holds it's value a lot better, though figures may be distorted by the 15%+ discounts available on these competitors from new
2014 S class 25k from £65k ish
2014 Model S 40k from £65k ish
2014 7 Series 20k from £65k ish (ouch)
I probably haven't been paying attention (again!), but Autotrader has got 2014 S Class Mercedes from around £25,000. 2014 S class 25k from £65k ish
2014 Model S 40k from £65k ish
2014 7 Series 20k from £65k ish (ouch)
pherlopolus said:
and I bet it was great fun! I'd love to eventually have a GT with at least a v8 and go for a european tour. Still have EV for the daily grind by then though.When we drove to the south of France we had a 30 mins stop every 2 hours anyway (and an hour for lunch) so could have quite easily used a Tesla, just the fact that I'm not flush enough for a £80k car meant I don't have one.
Lot of sticks in the mud on this thread. Really great original post, and having worked to develop an EV over the past 14 months, I'm actually pretty convinced. Being single and without a family, I'm still currently sticking with my impractical and thirsty road car, but, if and when I need a second car with more space, I'm now strongly considering an EV. I really like them, and they're no where near as impractical as some on this thread would have you believe. I also just don't see the point anymore in cars like the Panamera, M5 or S Class. Next years Porsche Misson E will absolutely blow them out of the water. It'll be faster, handle better, be more refined and be as useable as any of the conventional cars.
The thing a lot of people completely miss is the fact that, if you stop for said coffee break, you don't actually have to charge it to 100%! Put it this way, in the time it takes to stop and have a coffee and a wee, you'll have spent at least 10-15 mins at a service station. From genuine experience, on a 90kWh battery charging at the lower 50kWh rate (when a Supercharger is 130kWh), you get around 1% per minute of charging. So, if you were doing a 300 mile journey, you're 10-15min pit stop would see about 10-15% battery capacity added which equates to about 40 miles or so in that time. Considering that a 90kWh EV has a solid 250+mile range, this should be enough to complete your trip. And the reality is, it's barely any imposition at all to leave it plugged in for another 5 mins and get another 10-20 miles! The inconvenience even now (at the relative cusp of mainstream EVs) is minute for a significant proportion of road users....
The thing a lot of people completely miss is the fact that, if you stop for said coffee break, you don't actually have to charge it to 100%! Put it this way, in the time it takes to stop and have a coffee and a wee, you'll have spent at least 10-15 mins at a service station. From genuine experience, on a 90kWh battery charging at the lower 50kWh rate (when a Supercharger is 130kWh), you get around 1% per minute of charging. So, if you were doing a 300 mile journey, you're 10-15min pit stop would see about 10-15% battery capacity added which equates to about 40 miles or so in that time. Considering that a 90kWh EV has a solid 250+mile range, this should be enough to complete your trip. And the reality is, it's barely any imposition at all to leave it plugged in for another 5 mins and get another 10-20 miles! The inconvenience even now (at the relative cusp of mainstream EVs) is minute for a significant proportion of road users....
Edited by RacerMike on Thursday 1st February 11:48
RacerMike said:
Lot of sticks in the mud on this thread. Really great original post, and having worked to develop an EV over the past 14 months, I'm actually pretty convinced. Being single and without a family, I'm still currently sticking with my impractical and thirsty road car, but, if and when I need a second car with more space, I'm now strongly considering an EV. I really like them, and they're no where near as impractical as some on this thread would have you believe. I also just don't see the point anymore in cars like the Panamera, M5 or S Class. Next years Porsche Misson E will absolutely blow them out of the water. It'll be faster, handle better, be more refined and be as useable as any of the conventional cars.
The thing a lot of people completely miss is the fact that, if you stop for said coffee break, you don't actually have to charge it to 100%! Put it this way, in the time it takes to stop and have a coffee and a wee, you'll have spent at least 10-15 mins at a service station. From genuine experience, on a 90kWh battery charging at the lower 50kWh rate (when a Supercharger is 130kWh), you get around 1% per minute of charging. So, if you were doing a 300 mile journey, you're 10-15min pit stop would see about 10-15% battery capacity added which equates to about 40 miles or so in that time. Considering that a 90kWh EV has a solid 250+mile range, this should be enough to complete your trip. And the reality is, it's barely any imposition at all to leave it plugged in for another 5 mins and get another 10-20 miles! The inconvenience even now (at the relative cusp of mainstream EVs) is minute for a significant proportion of road users....
90kWh EV developed over the last 14 months....wouldnt have to be a Jaggg The thing a lot of people completely miss is the fact that, if you stop for said coffee break, you don't actually have to charge it to 100%! Put it this way, in the time it takes to stop and have a coffee and a wee, you'll have spent at least 10-15 mins at a service station. From genuine experience, on a 90kWh battery charging at the lower 50kWh rate (when a Supercharger is 130kWh), you get around 1% per minute of charging. So, if you were doing a 300 mile journey, you're 10-15min pit stop would see about 10-15% battery capacity added which equates to about 40 miles or so in that time. Considering that a 90kWh EV has a solid 250+mile range, this should be enough to complete your trip. And the reality is, it's barely any imposition at all to leave it plugged in for another 5 mins and get another 10-20 miles! The inconvenience even now (at the relative cusp of mainstream EVs) is minute for a significant proportion of road users....
Edited by RacerMike on Thursday 1st February 11:48
.Got one eye on the EV XJ, Jag could leap frog the German brands over the next fews years with the early adoption of EVs.
Volvocars.com - 'Twin engine' section said:
You don’t have to worry about running out of power, because there is a conventional engine that will always get you to your destination
The whole reason for this thread is because in a pure EV there is and was concern about running out of battery charge and not making it to your destination, at least not without having to stop for battery charging that takes an age compared to the time it takes to refuel an ice. DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.
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