690 miles in an electric car with a 18 months old :)
Discussion
pherlopolus said:
Mr yorkshire has been saying people can't do long journeys in an EV cos of the crap range and slow charging. he's just bee proved wrong. Must not be too happy.
1st hand knowledge trumps deluded thinking.
Rubbish.1st hand knowledge trumps deluded thinking.
I, too, have to do 500 mile round trips and only stop for pee breaks. I don't have time for leisurely meal breaks that the OP seems to enjoy. Quite apart from that, I'd rather be home sooner and the journey doesn't drag as much as one with several stops.
My old V70 would do 700 miles on one tank. Have to admit, the current E class doesn't. Which is a bit of an arse.
Very EVesque...
mybrainhurts said:
pherlopolus said:
Mr yorkshire has been saying people can't do long journeys in an EV cos of the crap range and slow charging. he's just bee proved wrong. Must not be too happy.
1st hand knowledge trumps deluded thinking.
Rubbish.1st hand knowledge trumps deluded thinking.
I, too, have to do 500 mile round trips and only stop for pee breaks. I don't have time for leisurely meal breaks that the OP seems to enjoy. Quite apart from that, I'd rather be home sooner and the journey doesn't drag as much as one with several stops.
My old V70 would do 700 miles on one tank. Have to admit, the current E class doesn't. Which is a bit of an arse.
Very EVesque...
Occasionally I'll have really long days driving - 700 miles or more. That's not really practical for the EVs today. At least in my price bracket.
Electric motors ARE the way forward, I'm convinced. But I'm still not sure that Li-Ion batteries are the way to store the pixies that make the power.
If you could quick charge from empty to full in 15 minutes, recharge on a charge network as robust as the petrol / diesel infrastructure currently, and have a genuine range of 400 miles, it's a no-brainer. But as it stands, it's still not really viable for me.
And they are bloody pricey. It would take me years and years and years of driving an EV to recoup the costs.
TobyLerone said:
If you could quick charge from empty to full in 15 minutes, recharge on a charge network as robust as the petrol / diesel infrastructure currently.... it's a no-brainer.
When my local station gets busy, it's very busy. If all vehicles were electric and each one took 15 minutes, I'd be waiting a hell of a long time to fill up.
an early adopter of any new technolgy will be an enthusiast. how long have we had the car as
it has developed into the fairly common format?
i am too tired and lazy and poor to drive an ev. but it is coming. whether we agree with the theories behind it or not.
thanks to the op for sharing.
it has developed into the fairly common format?
i am too tired and lazy and poor to drive an ev. but it is coming. whether we agree with the theories behind it or not.
thanks to the op for sharing.
mybrainhurts said:
TobyLerone said:
If you could quick charge from empty to full in 15 minutes, recharge on a charge network as robust as the petrol / diesel infrastructure currently.... it's a no-brainer.
When my local station gets busy, it's very busy. If all vehicles were electric and each one took 15 minutes, I'd be waiting a hell of a long time to fill up.
Depending on how I drive my commute I’ll get 620-660 miles before the 60mile range flags up so I fill up ASAP.
That’s a F10 535d.
That said I don’t think I’ve ever driven more than 180 miles without stopping for toilet/stretch the legs - normally 120 Miles I tend to grab a break.
Great to see a good review from an owner running long distance.
That’s a F10 535d.
That said I don’t think I’ve ever driven more than 180 miles without stopping for toilet/stretch the legs - normally 120 Miles I tend to grab a break.
Great to see a good review from an owner running long distance.
Welshbeef said:
Depending on how I drive my commute I’ll get 620-660 miles before the 60mile range flags up so I fill up ASAP.
That’s a F10 535d.
That said I don’t think I’ve ever driven more than 180 miles without stopping for toilet/stretch the legs - normally 120 Miles I tend to grab a break.
Great to see a good review from an owner running long distance.
None of my petrol cars have had a range of over 400 miles. Considerably less, if driven enthusiastically or short journeys - I think the first Saab averaged 22mpg and the second one 25 on my normal 7 mile commute. Even the Mx5 can't manage over 29 to the gallon normally. It's only on >30 mile journeys that I get half decent economy. That’s a F10 535d.
That said I don’t think I’ve ever driven more than 180 miles without stopping for toilet/stretch the legs - normally 120 Miles I tend to grab a break.
Great to see a good review from an owner running long distance.
rscott said:
Welshbeef said:
Depending on how I drive my commute I’ll get 620-660 miles before the 60mile range flags up so I fill up ASAP.
That’s a F10 535d.
That said I don’t think I’ve ever driven more than 180 miles without stopping for toilet/stretch the legs - normally 120 Miles I tend to grab a break.
Great to see a good review from an owner running long distance.
None of my petrol cars have had a range of over 400 miles. Considerably less, if driven enthusiastically or short journeys - I think the first Saab averaged 22mpg and the second one 25 on my normal 7 mile commute. Even the Mx5 can't manage over 29 to the gallon normally. It's only on >30 mile journeys that I get half decent economy. That’s a F10 535d.
That said I don’t think I’ve ever driven more than 180 miles without stopping for toilet/stretch the legs - normally 120 Miles I tend to grab a break.
Great to see a good review from an owner running long distance.
RobDickinson said:
The point isnt to do x miles its to do x miles without choking people on fumes.
I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say this, buuuuut.... I'm sticking with my petrol and diesel cars and bikes because the infrastructure is far more robust, and it suits my needs better.And it's VASTLY cheaper. My current car cost a touch over £1400. I can't get an EV for that.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader without battery leasing complications was a ~£6k 24KW Nissan Leaf. Looking on an EV forum, it seems the cost of running is around 5p/mile.
With my rough calculations, with my barge at 25mpg...
EV: 5p/mile. At 6000 miles a year, it'll be around £300 in leccy.
LS400: Petrol at £1:20/L, at 25mpg, means I'll be buying ~240 gallons, or ~1,090L. Which will cost me ~£1,300.
The thing is, I can drive effectively for free, for about 4 more years. I don't know what sort of depreciation the Leaf will suffer, so, after 4 years, maybe I can sell for £3k. I.genuinely don't know.
The LS400 will be worth at least what I paid for it, perhaps more, with a bit of love. So I've not really lost any money. I won't have made any after servicing and repair, but with luck and a tailwind, I may break even.
The biggest hurdle for me - putting aside the slightly controversial range anxiety issue - is price. I can't get something as large and luxurious as my barge unless I spend a lot more money. By which time the break even point sails into the distance. And yeah, it's better for the environment, I know. But that isn't my issue. I know EVs are cleaner, it's a price and infrastructure hurdle.
Finally, back to the Leaf. For a typical one-way journey I do twice a week - a train is ~£140. But then I need another train and a taxi to get home. Probably £170 - each way. My car will cost about £50 each way. An EV (if you already own it) is by far the cheapest. But with an EPA range of just 84 miles, it means at best it's 2 stops.
Even with a fast charge, it takes about 4 hrs to charge, so that's 8 hrs of waiting. If I can run the battery to 84 miles. The whole journey typically takes 4hrs door to door!
As much as I enjoy the EV experience, and it is better for reducing pollution, it's not practical for all use cases.
Edited by TobyLerone on Sunday 10th December 02:59
TobyLerone said:
I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say this, buuuuut.... I'm sticking with my petrol and diesel cars and bikes because the infrastructure is far more robust, and it suits my needs better.
And it's VASTLY cheaper. My current car cost a touch over £1400. I can't get an EV for that.
You are comparing a 20 year old car with a 4 years old one. that's illogical to the extreme, why not compare your LS400 to a 2013 LS460 and act surprised when the barge is cheaper.And it's VASTLY cheaper. My current car cost a touch over £1400. I can't get an EV for that.
Perversely I think one of the best arguments for the EV is this kind of comparison, if this is the best counter that can be offered then EVs are definitely the future.
TobyLerone said:
I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say this, buuuuut.... I'm sticking with my petrol and diesel cars and bikes because the infrastructure is far more robust, and it suits my needs better.
And it's VASTLY cheaper. My current car cost a touch over £1400. I can't get an EV for that.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader without battery leasing complications was a ~£6k 24KW Nissan Leaf. Looking on an EV forum, it seems the cost of running is around 5p/mile.
With my rough calculations, with my barge at 25mpg...
EV: 5p/mile. At 6000 miles a year, it'll be around £300 in leccy.
LS400: Petrol at £1:20/L, at 25mpg, means I'll be buying ~240 gallons, or ~1,090L. Which will cost me ~£1,300.
The thing is, I can drive effectively for free, for about 4 more years. I don't know what sort of depreciation the Leaf will suffer, so, after 4 years, maybe I can sell for £3k. I.genuinely don't know.
The LS400 will be worth at least what I paid for it, perhaps more, with a bit of love. So I've not really lost any money. I won't have made any after servicing and repair, but with luck and a tailwind, I may break even.
The biggest hurdle for me - putting aside the slightly controversial range anxiety issue - is price. I can't get something as large and luxurious as my barge unless I spend a lot more money. By which time the break even point sails into the distance. And yeah, it's better for the environment, I know. But that isn't my issue. I know EVs are cleaner, it's a price and infrastructure hurdle.
Finally, back to the Leaf. For a typical one-way journey I do twice a week - a train is ~£140. But then I need another train and a taxi to get home. Probably £170 - each way. My car will cost about £50 each way. An EV (if you already own it) is by far the cheapest. But with an EPA range of just 84 miles, it means at best it's 2 stops.
Even with a fast charge, it takes about 4 hrs to charge, so that's 8 hrs of waiting. If I can run the battery to 84 miles. The whole journey typically takes 4hrs door to door!
As much as I enjoy the EV experience, and it is better for reducing pollution, it's not practical for all use cases.
Ignore my username, you're right to a point that banger nomic cars are and will be cheaper than running an EV for a good while yet.And it's VASTLY cheaper. My current car cost a touch over £1400. I can't get an EV for that.
The cheapest EV on Autotrader without battery leasing complications was a ~£6k 24KW Nissan Leaf. Looking on an EV forum, it seems the cost of running is around 5p/mile.
With my rough calculations, with my barge at 25mpg...
EV: 5p/mile. At 6000 miles a year, it'll be around £300 in leccy.
LS400: Petrol at £1:20/L, at 25mpg, means I'll be buying ~240 gallons, or ~1,090L. Which will cost me ~£1,300.
The thing is, I can drive effectively for free, for about 4 more years. I don't know what sort of depreciation the Leaf will suffer, so, after 4 years, maybe I can sell for £3k. I.genuinely don't know.
The LS400 will be worth at least what I paid for it, perhaps more, with a bit of love. So I've not really lost any money. I won't have made any after servicing and repair, but with luck and a tailwind, I may break even.
The biggest hurdle for me - putting aside the slightly controversial range anxiety issue - is price. I can't get something as large and luxurious as my barge unless I spend a lot more money. By which time the break even point sails into the distance. And yeah, it's better for the environment, I know. But that isn't my issue. I know EVs are cleaner, it's a price and infrastructure hurdle.
Finally, back to the Leaf. For a typical one-way journey I do twice a week - a train is ~£140. But then I need another train and a taxi to get home. Probably £170 - each way. My car will cost about £50 each way. An EV (if you already own it) is by far the cheapest. But with an EPA range of just 84 miles, it means at best it's 2 stops.
Even with a fast charge, it takes about 4 hrs to charge, so that's 8 hrs of waiting. If I can run the battery to 84 miles. The whole journey typically takes 4hrs door to door!
As much as I enjoy the EV experience, and it is better for reducing pollution, it's not practical for all use cases.
Edited by TobyLerone on Sunday 10th December 02:59
Your numbers though don't make sense, you forget the whacking cost of VED/RFL on your LS400 very year for a starter?
Also you talk about the train journey twice a week and how a 24KW Leaf would need two charges; etc. Then you say your comparison on the LS400 is over 6000 miles a year??
I'm a petrol head too and not solely an EV drum banger, but you clearly aren't using the LS400 for the journeys you take each week on a train either.
As for these deluded ones (or astroturfers), who prattle on about 500-600 miles on one petrol tank and traveling 300 miles without a break, they should look at the average use of vehicles.
https://www.thinkmoney.co.uk/news-advice/what-is-t...
Over 90% of cars are idle over 90% of the time. In 2015, motorists drove an average of 7,900 miles each. Average trip length was 7 miles in 2014.
https://www.licencebureau.co.uk/wp-content/uploads...
Now will all these people stop prattling tripe - the astroturfers will continue to do so.
https://www.thinkmoney.co.uk/news-advice/what-is-t...
Over 90% of cars are idle over 90% of the time. In 2015, motorists drove an average of 7,900 miles each. Average trip length was 7 miles in 2014.
https://www.licencebureau.co.uk/wp-content/uploads...
Now will all these people stop prattling tripe - the astroturfers will continue to do so.
Edited by RayTay on Sunday 10th December 11:04
mybrainhurts said:
TobyLerone said:
If you could quick charge from empty to full in 15 minutes, recharge on a charge network as robust as the petrol / diesel infrastructure currently.... it's a no-brainer.
When my local station gets busy, it's very busy. If all vehicles were electric and each one took 15 minutes, I'd be waiting a hell of a long time to fill up.
Edited by 98elise on Sunday 10th December 12:59
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