Audi e-tron SUV 2018/2019

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

glm1977 said:

but the tech around energy recovery sounds a touch more advanced than Jag or Tesla (from what I have been able to see)...
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/audi-e-tron-ele...

Which bit in the article suggest Audi a better regen system than Tesla or Jaguar.

Talking about Jaguar, whilst all the PR material and press reviews goes on about how 'advanced' the Jaguar iPace is, all the current real life reviews are suggesting its about 20% LESS efficient than a Model X - which is a proper 7 seater, and 30%+ LESS efficient than a Model S, which still have more passenger/cargo space than the iPace.

One thing the traditional manufactures definitely have an edge over Tesla is their PR departments.

Will be interesting to see just how efficient the Audi is in real life, and how much better than the S/X it is.

Oh FFS, enough with your propaganda on behalf of your hero.

Every review I’ve seen of the i Pace rates it highly and confirms its range. It’s a lot cheaper than a decent X and, whilst hardly a looker, is a lot less ugly.

And almost every review I’ve seen of a Tesla questions the build quality and remarks on the blandness.

They’re all stupidly overpriced, in any case, for most sensible people.

Do you have a pic of Elon in your downstairs bog?

[oop north]

Gangzoom is very keen on Tesla! (Also regularly slagging off the iPace on speakev sure). There are some concerns about jag iPace range, but with Audi’s wlpt range 20% worse it seems unlikely it will beat the iPace.

I just tested an iPace but didn’t like it (just didn’t like the feel of it and too much tyre noise - there in the background even on the smoothest tarmac) - need to try the merc eqc when that comes (Jonny Smith did a video and engineer said their main aim was refinement and silence so might suit me better) and also maybe the Audi - Range comfort refinement and price dependent. Tesla’s leave me cold somehow and the way they deliberately hide the full price does my head in - and change price incredibly regularly. Oh and some of the owners insist on slagging everything else off at any excuse.

[gangzoom]

Found some more info on the regen system Audi is going to produce. Sounds interesting, essentially another brake piston but only directly linked to inverter?

The numbers look crazy, 70% kinetic energy recapture is double what all current EVs manage 20-40%. 220KW feeding back into the pack is also more than double what all current EVs top out on a charge let alone regen, so the battery management system must be pretty advanced.

It does looks like Audi has spent time developing this car properly, am sorry but the iPace is looking more and more like a school project compared to other EVs. The E-Tron may have a lower WTLP range but in real life will likely beat the iPace for range.

Tesla/Nissan/Hyundai all can achieve 90% of WTLP range in real world tests, and it looks like Audi will do ad well, but the iPace only 65%.....Someone somewhere has been fiddling numbers, which lets face it seems to be a common trait for all car manfactures.

https://electrek.co/2018/08/08/audi-e-tron-quattro...

[glm1977]

One reason why i think the Audi will be in the mix, if not slightly ahead of the current competition (when released Q1/2 2019) is down to one simple fact - this drive train will be the basis of other VAG brand products and will not doubt share a lot of R&D with the Porsche Taycan etc... as is the current way across the VAG set-up.

So they will have been able to pour a vast chunk of money into the R&D when compared to Tesla and Jag firstly, but also, if the same tech is to underpin many variants of VAG cars they can't afford to get it wrong - it would be financial and PR disaster

time will tell i guess

[JonnyVTEC]

gangzoom said:

220KW feeding back into the pack is also more than double what all current EVs top out on a charge let alone regen, so the battery management system must be pretty advanced.

It does looks like Audi has spent time developing this car properly, am sorry but the iPace is looking more and more like a school project compared to other EVs. The E-Tron may have a lower WTLP range but in real life will likely beat the iPace for range.

I don’t understand 3C regen isn’t impressive.

[modeller]

gangzoom said:

Found some more info on the regen system Audi is going to produce. Sounds interesting, essentially another brake piston but only directly linked to inverter?
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My reading is that the regen is purely motor generator->battery , the hydraulic piston just achieves faster brake response (using friction brakes). Regen is brilliant but will have bugger all effect on motorway range where aerodynamics are most important. It's the latter that makes the Tesla/Hyundai so efficient (and the i3/I-pace not!)

[CAPP0]

They're going to struggle for sales in France!

"Qu'est-ce que tu conduis?"

"Moi? Un étron"

"Désolé! "

Edited by CAPP0 on Friday 10th August 08:52

[modeller]

glm1977 said:

One reason why i think the Audi will be in the mix, if not slightly ahead of the current competition (when released Q1/2 2019) is down to one simple fact - this drive train will be the basis of other VAG brand products and will not doubt share a lot of R&D with the Porsche Taycan etc... as is the current way across the VAG set-up.

So they will have been able to pour a vast chunk of money into the R&D when compared to Tesla and Jag firstly, but also, if the same tech is to underpin many variants of VAG cars they can't afford to get it wrong - it would be financial and PR disaster

Nah, VW have been caught napping (and cheating), the etron is an ICE with batteries all over the place - just look at the bonnet to see its roots. By contrast JLR started earlier and have a clean design. JLR also developed their own motors , BMS, etc .. That shows depth of engineering which VW have still to show.
VW were complacent and arrogant and when their crap engineering failed decided to cheat - cost them a few tens of billions and will have shrunk their R&D quite a bit.

[manracer]

It's not really quattro is it? yes it may be AWD by virtue of having either 2 or 4 motors, probably 2, but it inst a true quattro in the sense of the word.

[amstrange1]

CAPP0 said:

They're going to struggle for sales in France!

"Qu'est-ce que tu conduis?"

"Moi? Un étron"

"Désolé! "

Edited by CAPP0 on Friday 10th August 08:52

Someone needed to pick up the MR2's mantle!

[CAPP0]

amstrange1 said:

CAPP0 said:

They're going to struggle for sales in France!

"Qu'est-ce que tu conduis?"

"Moi? Un étron"

"Désolé! "

Edited by CAPP0 on Friday 10th August 08:52

Someone needed to pick up the MR2's mantle!

Seriously, I thought the big manufacturers had whole departments who checked this sort of thing out?

[amstrange1]

Maybe we'll get Peugeot T-URD in return?

[glm1977]

modeller said:

glm1977 said:

One reason why i think the Audi will be in the mix, if not slightly ahead of the current competition (when released Q1/2 2019) is down to one simple fact - this drive train will be the basis of other VAG brand products and will not doubt share a lot of R&D with the Porsche Taycan etc... as is the current way across the VAG set-up.

So they will have been able to pour a vast chunk of money into the R&D when compared to Tesla and Jag firstly, but also, if the same tech is to underpin many variants of VAG cars they can't afford to get it wrong - it would be financial and PR disaster

Nah, VW have been caught napping (and cheating), the etron is an ICE with batteries all over the place - just look at the bonnet to see its roots. By contrast JLR started earlier and have a clean design. JLR also developed their own motors , BMS, etc .. That shows depth of engineering which VW have still to show.
VW were complacent and arrogant and when their crap engineering failed decided to cheat - cost them a few tens of billions and will have shrunk their R&D quite a bit.

not quite sure i follow - the e-tron has a sealed unit for all the batteries that forms the basis for the chassis/crash structure, the motors are being built in-house, the prototype did feature a few moveable aero parts for better efficiency which may/may not make production etc... so i don't see how its an ICE platform that has been converted.

as for R&D budgets, in 2017, Volkswagen had the 5th largest spend globally at $12.1bn of which (supposedly) was due to go on EV tech, compared to $4.2bn for Jag (which is total R&D for the company so EV tech would be a portion of..). Obviously, it can depends how you spend it, but i don't quite see things the way you are.

either way, the competition in this area can only be a good thing for us punters

[caseys]

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/e-tron/104641/n...

Not too cheap.

Interesting that you have to pay for an AC charging port.

[IanCress]

caseys said:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/e-tron/104641/n...

Not too cheap.

Interesting that you have to pay for an AC charging port.

Indeed. Who has DC charging at home?

150kW charging available - but not in this country, for now anyway.

[Smiljan]

caseys said:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/e-tron/104641/n...

Not too cheap.

Interesting that you have to pay for an AC charging port.

It has a CCS port on one side as standard which is AC Type 2 + Fast DC charging combined.

You can have an additional AC type 2 port on the other side if you want though.

[Witchfinder]

Another seventy grand novelty that is worthless to the majority of motorists. Eagerly awaiting the decent, affordable EVs.

[RobDickinson]

TeslaBjorn has a nice video of the exterior/interior/infotainment etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJFKIXkxiSo

Looks a decent motor overall. With some very cool features ( dual chargning ports, seat massage etc).

Exterior is boring Audi and its 'pretty slow' in the competition (only as fast as a Lamborghini Countach:O ) , I suspect it will be the least involving to drive but slot in between the iPace and the model X in terms of usefulness/efficiency

[cvega]

From £70,805 RRP gulp.

Sad that pistonheads completely missed the reveal, or chose not to post about it.

[RobDickinson]

cvega said:

From £70,805 RRP gulp.

Not surprised. Looks decent if very very dull, and if it can manage reasonable efficiency.

iPace is what 60k there, $160k nzd here so this will start at $180k?? X100D is $167k here