Tesla on fire: not good.
Discussion
Blaster72 said:
Going back to your other question, Tesla's do have crash relays which can isolate the battery but the energy still remains in the battery just like fuel remains in a fuel tank.
The holy grail I guess is to produce a pack that self extinguishes or can't catch fire in the first place. Tricky considering the amount of energy and how densly its packed in there.
I didn't know that but it makes sense - I figured they'd have some electrical equivalent of the fuel-cutoff in a ICE vehicle. Like you say - it's what to do with the potential energy that's left in there in a controlled manner, rather than an uncontrolled one.The holy grail I guess is to produce a pack that self extinguishes or can't catch fire in the first place. Tricky considering the amount of energy and how densly its packed in there.
Max_Torque said:
Fair enough, that's your choice, just don't expect me to join you in idiots corner quite yet...... ;-)
Ah... I see my break from the forum has seen some changes and some not. The Max Torque method of argumentation for example - 'If you don't agree with me then you must be an idiot.' I'm sure the sheer quantity of internal combustion-using infidels who disagree with you running amok on Britain's roads must aggravate you greatly. The near religious zeal and sanctimonious supremacy that some EV drivers display is probably one of the key reasons why I don't view that particular motive power with any fondness. Oddly enough it tends to rile people when you go around telling them how stupid they all are for not sharing your point of view. You could perhaps think about the image of the EV driving fraternity that you are inadvertently portraying.
I take your legitimate points of reasoning on relative chances/risk. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and overlook your insults as perhaps the product of using the internet after a bad day at work.
Helicopter123 said:
still its very clear that safety improvements need (and will) be made.
is it? You say "it's clear that safety improvements still need to be made", but EVs are less likely to catch on fire overall than ICE's so surely the safety improvements are required for the ICE vehicles?
Max_Torque said:
Helicopter123 said:
still its very clear that safety improvements need (and will) be made.
is it? You say "it's clear that safety improvements still need to be made", but EVs are less likely to catch on fire overall than ICE's so surely the safety improvements are required for the ICE vehicles?
When I see an EV car on fire because the battery has failed, then yes, I think it is obvious that a safety improvement needs to be made.
Unless of course, you think 'the odd one' catching fire is ok?
Helicopter123 said:
Unless of course, you think 'the odd one' catching fire is ok?
Why is it OK for an ICE power vehicle then and not for an EV?Double standards, simply because of what you are used too.......
BTW, no car is ever 100% safe, 100% fire proof, 100% reliable, or 100% anything. What matters is the overall risk of any of those things occurring. Right now, you drive an ICE, and you must be happy with the current level of risk of a fire occurring, be that due to a fault, or as a result of a crash. And as i have said, statistics to date show a typical EV to be 6 to 8 times less likely to experience a thermal event (industry speak for "fire"). So, why do you keep saying "EV's are too dangerous" when they are less dangerous than what you currently drive??
Max_Torque said:
Helicopter123 said:
Unless of course, you think 'the odd one' catching fire is ok?
Why is it OK for an ICE power vehicle then and not for an EV?Double standards, simply because of what you are used too.......
BTW, no car is ever 100% safe, 100% fire proof, 100% reliable, or 100% anything. What matters is the overall risk of any of those things occurring. Right now, you drive an ICE, and you must be happy with the current level of risk of a fire occurring, be that due to a fault, or as a result of a crash. And as i have said, statistics to date show a typical EV to be 6 to 8 times less likely to experience a thermal event (industry speak for "fire"). So, why do you keep saying "EV's are too dangerous" when they are less dangerous than what you currently drive??
Helicopter123 said:
Max_Torque said:
Helicopter123 said:
Unless of course, you think 'the odd one' catching fire is ok?
Why is it OK for an ICE power vehicle then and not for an EV?Double standards, simply because of what you are used too.......
BTW, no car is ever 100% safe, 100% fire proof, 100% reliable, or 100% anything. What matters is the overall risk of any of those things occurring. Right now, you drive an ICE, and you must be happy with the current level of risk of a fire occurring, be that due to a fault, or as a result of a crash. And as i have said, statistics to date show a typical EV to be 6 to 8 times less likely to experience a thermal event (industry speak for "fire"). So, why do you keep saying "EV's are too dangerous" when they are less dangerous than what you currently drive??
Helicopter, i see you drive a porsche Cayenne (nice car btw), guess what, they catch on fire "randomly"
oh dear oh dear, clearly "unacceptable" so i guess you're selling yours tomorrow yeah?
This is my point, NOTHING is 100% reliable. We accept a level of risk of any event, based on the probability of it occurring and the possible damage that might result if it were to occur. You Cayenne can catch fire, due to a fault, or an accident , but you have made a very sensible decision to drive it, as the risk you feel to yourself is not significant.
And, statistics show, EV's are, as i've said 3 or 4 times now, LESS likely to suffer a fire (due to either an accident or a fault) than an ICE powered vehicle.
So, if you drive your Cayenne, then there is no reason not to drive an EV.......
oh dear oh dear, clearly "unacceptable" so i guess you're selling yours tomorrow yeah?
This is my point, NOTHING is 100% reliable. We accept a level of risk of any event, based on the probability of it occurring and the possible damage that might result if it were to occur. You Cayenne can catch fire, due to a fault, or an accident , but you have made a very sensible decision to drive it, as the risk you feel to yourself is not significant.
And, statistics show, EV's are, as i've said 3 or 4 times now, LESS likely to suffer a fire (due to either an accident or a fault) than an ICE powered vehicle.
So, if you drive your Cayenne, then there is no reason not to drive an EV.......
Petrol/Diesel car crashes and catches fire, rapidly burns and explodes. People injured/killed. No one cares, happens all the time, doesn’t even make it beyond a local news sidebar. Tragic, shame blah blah.
Electric car crashes, catches fire, and slowly burns. No one injured. Makes world news and the great unwashed thinks they’re dangerous and no amount of hard facts to the contrary will dissuade them from their parochial Luddite opinions.
Electric car crashes, catches fire, and slowly burns. No one injured. Makes world news and the great unwashed thinks they’re dangerous and no amount of hard facts to the contrary will dissuade them from their parochial Luddite opinions.
car_fires_gov_statistics
approx 15,000 accidental (ie not set on fire deliberately/arson) car fires in the Uk per year, that's 43 per day!
approx 15,000 accidental (ie not set on fire deliberately/arson) car fires in the Uk per year, that's 43 per day!
Max_Torque said:
Audi A3 Blaster?
Opps, turns out they aren't 100% fireproof either:
Might have burn ya legs getting out of that one too.....
Wrong model unfortunately, mine is the fireproof 8V model Opps, turns out they aren't 100% fireproof either:
Might have burn ya legs getting out of that one too.....
Again trying to steer this thread (a Tesla on fire thread) away from Tesla's and burning just won't work.
See now Tesla can improve fire safety with further enclose and comparmentalisation of the batteries but it'd add weight to an already heavy car. Maybe the Model 3 has improved fire protection for its battery?
Edited by Blaster72 on Sunday 17th June 18:07
Blaster72 said:
Plenty of melty Tesla photos to choose from online too. Amazing really considering how few are on the roads and how they're so much less likely to burn than a ICE car.
(i've done the math, as i sit on an industry safety advisory board)
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