Anyone been for a test drive in a Jaguar i-Pace yet?
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A fairly honest and interesting piece of real car journalism about the IPace on Sniff Petrol by Richard Porter.
https://sniffpetrol.com/2018/08/31/a-week-with-a-j...
https://sniffpetrol.com/2018/08/31/a-week-with-a-j...
essayer said:
A comment in the leasing thread got me thinking - the early tests are settling around 200 miles for 90kWh - that’s not great is it? 2.2 miles per kWh?
Or is this just journos booting it down the motorway to determine ‘range’ ?
It isn't great. I suspect the actual range is a little higher than 200 miles when driven reasonably, but it seems the car is noticeably less efficient than Tesla. Or is this just journos booting it down the motorway to determine ‘range’ ?
I commented on the same point a bit earlier in this thread. Personally I think this is a big issue and will influence many people's decision whether to purchase one or not. Others including RacerMike think it won't matter to most people and is nothing to be concerned about.
essayer said:
A comment in the leasing thread got me thinking - the early tests are settling around 200 miles for 90kWh - that’s not great is it? 2.2 miles per kWh?
Similar to the new Merc EQC apparently, but with another 10kWh battery capacity! That Merc is going to really struggle to do much more than 150 miles.There's a 90D owner who's posted on https://www.facebook.com/groups/JaguariPaceUK a writeup of what seems to be a vehicle with the production software (including CarPlay). He's intimating 260miles range ..
essayer said:
Why is the range so bad given Leaf/ZOE etc easily do 4mpkwh?
The Jag’s being tested in some pretty decent weather. In winter are we going to be mid 100s range?
Well.....that's a bit like asking why an ICE hatchback can do 50mpg, but an SUV can only do 30mpg with the same engine. Weight, aero and driveline losses basically.The Jag’s being tested in some pretty decent weather. In winter are we going to be mid 100s range?
RacerMike said:
Well.....that's a bit like asking why an ICE hatchback can do 50mpg, but an SUV can only do 30mpg with the same engine. Weight, aero and driveline losses basically.
An AWD 90D model X can do nearly 4mpkwh on official figures, and this has the same drivetrain arrangement, same weight and probably similar aeros I’d be surprised if customer cars do less than 3.5mpkwh once driven normally - that should put the range at around 300 miles - if the car can really only do 200 (or less in winter) that’s not going to go down well with public perception
Perhaps that’s why Jag are knocking them out on cheap leases, to get improved consumption figures reported
essayer said:
RacerMike said:
Well.....that's a bit like asking why an ICE hatchback can do 50mpg, but an SUV can only do 30mpg with the same engine. Weight, aero and driveline losses basically.
An AWD 90D model X can do nearly 4mpkwh on official figures, and this has the same drivetrain arrangement, same weight and probably similar aeros I’d be surprised if customer cars do less than 3.5mpkwh once driven normally - that should put the range at around 300 miles - if the car can really only do 200 (or less in winter) that’s not going to go down well with public perception
Perhaps that’s why Jag are knocking them out on cheap leases, to get improved consumption figures reported
Maybe time for me to a do a volte-face.....
I lease a Leaf as our local runaround car. Car goes back to Nissan end of March next year. So I'm starting to think about alternatives.
Getting a new 40 kwh Leaf is an option, but the lease costs are not yet competitive. So my option I think would be buy an ex-demo car for around £25k. Or I was thinking of looking to try and find a 6 month old i3s maybe for £27k.
But over on the leasing thread, they have this deal on the i-pace. It is only an 18 month lease but that suits me fine. Mileage is also too low, so I've asked for a quote with a higher allowance.
https://www.fleetprices.co.uk/personal-lease-cars/...
So it's only the base model, and I stand by what I was saying previously that I don't think it is a quite a good enough range as a main family car. But at this price, the cost would probably be about same amount of depreciation as the i3s, for a car which has a much bigger battery and much higher performance.
It sounds strange to replace a Leaf with an I-Pace, but the deal sounds quite good - views?
I lease a Leaf as our local runaround car. Car goes back to Nissan end of March next year. So I'm starting to think about alternatives.
Getting a new 40 kwh Leaf is an option, but the lease costs are not yet competitive. So my option I think would be buy an ex-demo car for around £25k. Or I was thinking of looking to try and find a 6 month old i3s maybe for £27k.
But over on the leasing thread, they have this deal on the i-pace. It is only an 18 month lease but that suits me fine. Mileage is also too low, so I've asked for a quote with a higher allowance.
https://www.fleetprices.co.uk/personal-lease-cars/...
So it's only the base model, and I stand by what I was saying previously that I don't think it is a quite a good enough range as a main family car. But at this price, the cost would probably be about same amount of depreciation as the i3s, for a car which has a much bigger battery and much higher performance.
It sounds strange to replace a Leaf with an I-Pace, but the deal sounds quite good - views?
It's worth noting that pretty much all the chassis settings (except ride height) that improve handling and grip are a detriment to losses!
Wide tyres, aggressive camber and toe, stiff tyre carcasses all increase losses. In order to make an iPace "more sporty" than a Tesla they have effectively also made it more lossy!
Wide tyres, aggressive camber and toe, stiff tyre carcasses all increase losses. In order to make an iPace "more sporty" than a Tesla they have effectively also made it more lossy!
Just to update the thread on the lease deal mentioned earlier, I've just signed my order form. The car is scheduled for delivery by Feb/March next year.
If you changed anything in terms of the base mileage or term length it pushed the price up quite significantly, so I've stuck with the original deal (9+17 for £283.06 inc VAT).
Mileage is 5,000 per annum with excess mileage at 29.48 pence per mile. Strangely, paying the excess mileage charge is cheaper than increasing the mileage allowance.
The averaged monthly cost is around £408 / month. I'm expecting to pay around £465 / month based on the amount I plan to use the car.
Hopefully by the time it goes back towards the end of 2020 they should be lots of alternative electric cars to choose from!
If you changed anything in terms of the base mileage or term length it pushed the price up quite significantly, so I've stuck with the original deal (9+17 for £283.06 inc VAT).
Mileage is 5,000 per annum with excess mileage at 29.48 pence per mile. Strangely, paying the excess mileage charge is cheaper than increasing the mileage allowance.
The averaged monthly cost is around £408 / month. I'm expecting to pay around £465 / month based on the amount I plan to use the car.
Hopefully by the time it goes back towards the end of 2020 they should be lots of alternative electric cars to choose from!
EddieSteadyGo said:
Just to update the thread on the lease deal mentioned earlier, I've just signed my order form. The car is scheduled for delivery by Feb/March next year.
If you changed anything in terms of the base mileage or term length it pushed the price up quite significantly, so I've stuck with the original deal (9+17 for £283.06 inc VAT).
Mileage is 5,000 per annum with excess mileage at 29.48 pence per mile. Strangely, paying the excess mileage charge is cheaper than increasing the mileage allowance.
The averaged monthly cost is around £408 / month. I'm expecting to pay around £465 / month based on the amount I plan to use the car.
Hopefully by the time it goes back towards the end of 2020 they should be lots of alternative electric cars to choose from!
Nice! I worked out earlier that with my current yearly mileage, if I switched to electric and charged between 2300 and 0600, I'd save over £150 a month in fuel cost, so that £465/month is a mega deal really when you consider it's a £65k car! You're effectively paying just over £300 a month for a brand new I-PaceIf you changed anything in terms of the base mileage or term length it pushed the price up quite significantly, so I've stuck with the original deal (9+17 for £283.06 inc VAT).
Mileage is 5,000 per annum with excess mileage at 29.48 pence per mile. Strangely, paying the excess mileage charge is cheaper than increasing the mileage allowance.
The averaged monthly cost is around £408 / month. I'm expecting to pay around £465 / month based on the amount I plan to use the car.
Hopefully by the time it goes back towards the end of 2020 they should be lots of alternative electric cars to choose from!
RacerMike said:
Nice! I worked out earlier that with my current yearly mileage, if I switched to electric and charged between 2300 and 0600, I'd save over £150 a month in fuel cost, so that £465/month is a mega deal really when you consider it's a £65k car! You're effectively paying just over £300 a month for a brand new I-Pace
I agree - TBH I do think it is a good deal. And it will be nice to have something again which has more sprightly performance! EddieSteadyGo said:
I agree - TBH I do think it is a good deal. And it will be nice to have something again which has more sprightly performance!
Or brutal :P There's very little out there that can stay with an I-Pace to 60mph. On most A Roads, I genuinely think even a 911 would struggle against it, purely due to the traction and punch out of the corners. It's genuinely quite shocking at times!EddieSteadyGo said:
Mileage is 5,000 per annum with excess mileage at 29.48 pence per mile. Strangely, paying the excess mileage charge is cheaper than increasing the mileage allowance.
Thats very cheap for a £60k ish car, not quite crazy £200/month Nissan Leaf cheap but not far off, and anyone in market for a longish range EV need to run the numbers as I suspect financially it makes alot of sense!!Even based on doing 14k a year which is what am doing in the Tesla thats 'only' £625/month.
I suspect first 18 month deprecation will be easily 50% on top of that. Jaguar must be 'supporting' that deal in some way or other, much like how RCI backed the Leaf deals.
Edited by gangzoom on Monday 10th September 17:46
gangzoom said:
Thats very cheap for a £60k ish car, not quite crazy £200/month Nissan Leaf cheap but far off, and anyone in market for a longish range EV need to run the numbers as I suspect financially it makes alot of sense!!
Even based on doing 14k a year which is what am doing in the Tesla thats 'only' £625/month.
I suspect first 18 month deprecation will be easily 50% on top of that. Jaguar must be 'supporting' that deal in some way or other, much like how RCI backed the Leaf deals.
Yep - I agree. There is no way when I hand the car back at 18 months old it is going to be worth circa £57k. I can only presume they needed to fill up some build slots due to the build contract they have with Magna.Even based on doing 14k a year which is what am doing in the Tesla thats 'only' £625/month.
I suspect first 18 month deprecation will be easily 50% on top of that. Jaguar must be 'supporting' that deal in some way or other, much like how RCI backed the Leaf deals.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Yep - I agree. There is no way when I hand the car back at 18 months old it is going to be worth circa £57k. I can only presume they needed to fill up some build slots due to the build contract they have with Magna.
Just had a look on the specs of the 'S', manual mirrors and manual seats?? On a £60k car??I persume any added options pushes the price up? I suppose if you know your handing the car back after 18 months you can live that, at least 18inch wheels should be almost impossible to kerb
gangzoom said:
Just had a look on the specs of the 'S', manual mirrors and manual seats?? On a £60k car??
I persume any added options pushes the price up? I suppose if you know your handing the car back after 18 months you can live that, at least 18inch wheels should be almost impossible to kerb
True - and I checked and it was confirmed that none of the options according to Jaguar had any "residual" value in terms of the lease. So the full cost had to be divided into 18 months. So I'm going to have to put up with the base spec. Having said that, I still get the 90 kwh battery and the near 700Nm of torque I persume any added options pushes the price up? I suppose if you know your handing the car back after 18 months you can live that, at least 18inch wheels should be almost impossible to kerb
gangzoom said:
Just had a look on the specs of the 'S', manual mirrors and manual seats?? On a £60k car??
I persume any added options pushes the price up? I suppose if you know your handing the car back after 18 months you can live that, at least 18inch wheels should be almost impossible to kerb
I can assure you it most certainly doesn’t have manual mirrors!I persume any added options pushes the price up? I suppose if you know your handing the car back after 18 months you can live that, at least 18inch wheels should be almost impossible to kerb
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