iPace currently available for £400/month wow!!

[Amateurish]

onedsla said:

Through FP. Finance through LEX autolease, trading as Jaguar Contract Hire.

Not a fan of the paperwork process - was asked to print out a 30+ page PDF, then sign (only 3 places) before scanning to pdf to return. Ever heard of e-signature providers!?

Now that is weird, I also used FleetPrices and I signed my contract online!

[red_slr]

Same! Took about 15 seconds.

I am going to email them tomorrow to see what the crack is but I suspect there are 2 different deals ongoing here.

[Amateurish]

Business vs personal maybe?

[hab1966]

I signed a PCH Order form electronically with Fleetprices in September.

This week i have had a 30page pdf to print, sign and return. The lease is with Lex Autolease Ltd T/A Jaguar Contract Hire. They also wanted a copy of my driving licence.

Edited by hab1966 on Wednesday 7th November 15:50

Edited by hab1966 on Wednesday 7th November 15:50

[Vorix]

Ditto for me. The call I had for them was saying they were able to bring delivery forward to January so did I want to proceed. Hence all the paperwork. Don't have a build date yet though. I ordered 17/9/18.

[red_slr]

Been given a build date of mid Jan. If that comes off will be much better than the initial prediction of April.
Also been sent the contract which appears to be the same as what others have had.
Got to say very good service so far from FP.

[Witchfinder]

Interesting to see the real world range of the I-Pace here in an independent test. Still beaten by the 65kWh Kona, but better than the 75kWh Model S
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/hyunda...

[Amateurish]

253 miles is surprisingly good

[DJP31]

Amateurish said:

253 miles is surprisingly good

Unbelievably good IMO. The official EPA range is only 234! I didn’t read the article fully but it looks like they drive it for a bit and then divided the kWh by the nominal pack size. Not sure that’s an accurate way to determine the range as the full battery isn’t normally available for usage.

My advice to any prospective purchaser is to join the closed Facebook I Pace group. There real owners are beginning to post their experiences.

I’m 100% behind Jag being the first established manufacturer to get a car to market rivalling Tesla but it is aero dynamically akin to a brick and there is nowhere it can get a charge of beyond 50kW. I’ve seen one report from an owner who drove pretty carefully on the motorway and managed 188 miles. Popped the car onto an Electric Highway DC charger and was getting 33kW.

It’s a well built car and apparently nice to drive but I am worried the real life experience doesn’t match expectations.

Edited by DJP31 on Thursday 8th November 16:59

[gangzoom]

Amateurish said:

253 miles is surprisingly good

I wouldn't try to push a 75D S to 250 miles in the real world.....But hey good on Jag as they clearly have found a way to game the system, presumably its also why the WLTP range is near 300 miles and EPA about 230 miles.

VAG has built an empire by distorting test data, sadly its still the consumer who ends up with a rubbish product in the real world regardless of what test data shows .

[DonkeyApple]

Amateurish said:

253 miles is surprisingly good

Over the summer I met the chap who put the Portugal event together at JLR. He mentioned that they had all been positively surprised by the real world range of the cars during the event.

[DJP31]

DonkeyApple said:

Amateurish said:

253 miles is surprisingly good

Over the summer I met the chap who put the Portugal event together at JLR. He mentioned that they had all been positively surprised by the real world range of the cars during the event.

I guess we’ll find out soon enough. The worst outcome would be purchasers being massively disappointed in range and charging speed and then flocking back to the Jag ICE. Other manufactures then cite that experience to slow down the already painfully slow release of EV’s.

[Witchfinder]

I can't see that happening. The Tesla Model 3 is a runaway sales success in North America. It must be terrifying the Germans. If I were VAG, Daimler-Benz and BMW, I'd be eyeing the likes of Byton and Nio very nervously too.

Legislation will kill the ICE . Much as they'd love to keep burning petrol and diesel, car manufacturers won't have a choice.

[DonkeyApple]

Agree but the legislation permits hybrids and the incumbent manufacturers build millions of cars a year. There just aren’t millions of potential EV buyers at present but every single car buyer can be sold a hybrid. EVs don’t offer the sales potential or the profit potential that hybrids do, which is why they are just doing enough with EVs to tick boxes.

Jaguar doesn’t build millions of cars and has hit the buffers, plus their brand positioning is right so EVs are a more appealing opportunity on a commercial basis and I think the ipace is a very nice looking car and hope it’s a real success.

[Witchfinder]

DonkeyApple said:

There just aren’t millions of potential EV buyers at present ...

I disagree. Anyone who owns a car now is a potential EV buyer. Within 10 years, fast charging and solid state batteries will give a petrol-station like experience for those who don't have the ability to charge at home.

Hybrids will also ultimately be banned.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_...

Edited by Witchfinder on Thursday 8th November 21:10

[RobDickinson]

Yep I'd say a massive chunk of people really don't care what powers their cars.

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

Yep I'd say a massive chunk of people really don't care what powers their cars.

Absolutely.

But they care about what they cost.

[RobDickinson]

REALIST123 said:

RobDickinson said:

Yep I'd say a massive chunk of people really don't care what powers their cars.

Absolutely.

But they care about what they cost.

Absolutely. For higher daily millage commuters an EV is likely cheaper long term no than what they are running when you factor in fuel costs.

They will be cheaper to buy 2023/24 or so.

[gangzoom]

REALIST123 said:

Absolutely.

But they care about what they cost.

As this thread shows if you time it right you can get an EV as cheaply as any equivalent combustion car....£400/month for a £60k list car with minimal deposit, thats pretty damn cheap.

Perhaps you should sign up and see what all this EV fuss is all about.

[DonkeyApple]

Witchfinder said:

DonkeyApple said:

There just aren’t millions of potential EV buyers at present ...

I disagree. Anyone who owns a car now is a potential EV buyer. Within 10 years, fast charging and solid state batteries will give a petrol-station like experience for those who don't have the ability to charge at home.

Hybrids will also ultimately be banned.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_...

Edited by Witchfinder on Thursday 8th November 21:10

I agree with that, she bjext obviously to some completely new tech not appearing. But it’s a matter of time frames, investment and cultural shift. All new car buyers today can buy a hybrid of pure ICE didn’t exist. Only a tiny number can buy an EV without significant changes to their lifestyle.

When that will change is unknown but it is precicely how it is today and today the incumbent manufacturers must sell 80,000 cars with reliable profits. Tomorrow the industry must sell 80,001 cars around the world. And the same every single day until they have sold 30m new cars worldwide in 12 months and booked profits for the shareholders.

The potential market for EVs is huge. It’s 30m+ cars a year but what is relevant is when and that is what ICE manufacturers need to factor in and is precicely why to all intents and purposes marketing lip service is being paid to the EV while the entire industry gears up to sell 30m hybrids a year and to continue to do so until the present economics clearly define that there is more sales potential and more profit potential in building EVs in those numbers.

But until we reach that unknown economic tipping point in the future, EVs will remain as they currently are, marketing and PR tools to get the brand in the media, niche products in highly selective small markets and toys for the global wealthy such as you and me. We don’t need an EV but we have the purchasing power of the minority to at least have the option to indulge ourselves if we do wish.

It’s important to consider the economics rather than the dream.

We only need to live ok at the brands mainly promoting pure EV to see that it has morphed into a premium product for the wealthy. You can’t sell product to people who haven’t any money.

At the same time, look at the highest volume selling global products like the Camry. Toyota know that their clientele can not afford EVs. They build their car as a hybrid.

This really is the nub of the matter and the evidence is laid out clearly all before us to see so long as we remember that we are among the tiny, tiny, global wealthy. And even most of the EV converts among our Western niche actually cannot afford to purchase an EV.

Potentially, that will all change but neither you nor I know when. There could be a power source breakthrough tomorrow that changes the world overnight but global multinationals don’t build their business projects around random unknowns. They are built around the near future knowns and thatbis precicely why they are gearing up to churn out tens of millions of hybrids and why their marketing and PR departments are getting pictures of EVs in the media.