iPace currently available for £400/month wow!!
Discussion
red_slr said:
I think most of us on here are low mileage users though, given most of us went for an 18 month lease with a smattering of miles.
For me the furthest I have to drive regularly is about 50 miles. But my commute is 3.
I am hoping to only charge once a week.
Yep, similar for me. Don't need a massive range for this particular lease. For me the furthest I have to drive regularly is about 50 miles. But my commute is 3.
I am hoping to only charge once a week.
If I was buying a spec'ed up version with my own money for £75k, I would expect a better range, if only to protect myself from taking a massive deprecation hit.
Will be interesting how the people here will find the actual range in practise - I wonder if some videos, like the one linked to, have some kind of an agenda. We will find out in Feb
I also wonder if the design choices made by Jag, in the interest of aesthetics at the front of the car, are the main cause of its issue, with its increased drag. Which is another reason to wait until 2020 to see what other manufacturers come up with, before committing "proper" money.
RobDickinson said:
Bjorn really has no agenda and he only got 370km out of it at 95kph and without the heater (broken)
True, but a minimum range of 200 miles and a "realistic" range of 230miles is what many have reported and is what I was expecting. The sub 200 mile reports is what I was suspicious of.
The columns are actual range in this test, WLTP range and NEDC
https://insideevs.com/electric-car-ev-range-test-r...
https://insideevs.com/electric-car-ev-range-test-r...
Our 75D X has pretty much the same range as an iPace. Yesterday we covered 240 miles visiting my parents in the X, despite rain, wind, temp not going above 3 degrees, and driving in lane 3 for half the trip. We arrived home with 35% charge left.
The key was the Tesla Superchargers.
Normally its a 120 mile each way trip, which I can do without midway charging but I do top up at via a 3 pin plug at parents house. The weather yesterday meant consumption was far higher than normal and when I parked up I realised I had left the 3 pin charger at home!!!
But with 6 yes SIX Tesla SC sites within the remaining range of the car I wasn't worried one bit. Ended up going to South Mimms as it was directly enroute, and timings fitted in with tea time for my daughter.
It was horrfic weather when we arrived, there was already 6 other Teslas charging but it was a 12 stall site so no worries. Plugged in and charging just started, no faffing with phone Apps etc in the rain needed. By the time we finished food the car was up to 88% charge, far more range than what we needed, hence the return leg was done stuck in lane 3 but still got home with plenty of charge.
Yesterdays trip was so easy and convenient in the Tesla because of the Supercharger charger network plus the inherent range of these cars. Same trip in my old Leaf would have neen horrific, I recon even at 50mph I would have needed to stop 3 times each way, all the while worrying about if the Ecotricty chargers are going to work. Faffing with chargers in the rain/wind/cold was the last thing I wanted to yesterday.
The range of the iPace is fine, but someone needs to develope a reliable CCS rapid network ASAP. Its amazing Tesla have got it so right interms of the EV experience yet others are still been so slow to catch up.
Over the next few weeks we'll be going to Wales and than Leeds visting friends/family. With the Tesla Supercharger network these trips are simply so easy with no worries about range/speed/weather. I don't think it's a coincidence the only other EVs I saw yesterday was other Teslas. If Tesla can deploy such a good charging network why cannot others?
The key was the Tesla Superchargers.
Normally its a 120 mile each way trip, which I can do without midway charging but I do top up at via a 3 pin plug at parents house. The weather yesterday meant consumption was far higher than normal and when I parked up I realised I had left the 3 pin charger at home!!!
But with 6 yes SIX Tesla SC sites within the remaining range of the car I wasn't worried one bit. Ended up going to South Mimms as it was directly enroute, and timings fitted in with tea time for my daughter.
It was horrfic weather when we arrived, there was already 6 other Teslas charging but it was a 12 stall site so no worries. Plugged in and charging just started, no faffing with phone Apps etc in the rain needed. By the time we finished food the car was up to 88% charge, far more range than what we needed, hence the return leg was done stuck in lane 3 but still got home with plenty of charge.
Yesterdays trip was so easy and convenient in the Tesla because of the Supercharger charger network plus the inherent range of these cars. Same trip in my old Leaf would have neen horrific, I recon even at 50mph I would have needed to stop 3 times each way, all the while worrying about if the Ecotricty chargers are going to work. Faffing with chargers in the rain/wind/cold was the last thing I wanted to yesterday.
The range of the iPace is fine, but someone needs to develope a reliable CCS rapid network ASAP. Its amazing Tesla have got it so right interms of the EV experience yet others are still been so slow to catch up.
Over the next few weeks we'll be going to Wales and than Leeds visting friends/family. With the Tesla Supercharger network these trips are simply so easy with no worries about range/speed/weather. I don't think it's a coincidence the only other EVs I saw yesterday was other Teslas. If Tesla can deploy such a good charging network why cannot others?
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 16th December 07:02
EddieSteadyGo said:
True, but a minimum range of 200 miles and a "realistic" range of 230miles is what many have reported and is what I was expecting.
The sub 200 mile reports is what I was suspicious of.
Why are you suspicious?The sub 200 mile reports is what I was suspicious of.
EPA rating of the iPace is essentially the same as our 75D X at about 230 miles.
Real life no one is going to run an EV from 100-0%, in 26K of owing the Tesla Ive arrived at the destination with less than 10% less than half a dozen times.
So taking in a 10% buffer your at 210 miles already. Than remeber EPA is done with no climate control, flat terrain, 0-60 time of double digits and I believe at 65mph max.
In yesterdays rain, cold, lane 3 M1 driving saw the X use 53% in 100 miles. Giving a 188 miles range if assuming 100-0% which is actually amazingly good consumption given the speed - about 10-15% better consumption than I expected, which i think is due to the 15-20 mph tail wind there was on the way back. Same trip with a 15-20mph head wind and I think 100-0% range would be closer to 150 miles.
But as I've mentioned above, absolute range is not that important IF you have access to a reliable rapid charger network its not an issue.
saaby93 said:
It was an odd test - remember they own a Tesla - is there money to be made from these videos?
One car they really enjoyed was the Soul see the Soul thread
Why is it an odd test? The findings are 100% in keeping with numerous other real world test.....One car they really enjoyed was the Soul see the Soul thread
The only thing odd is how Jaguar managed to get an near 300 mile WTLP rating when real world range is nothing close. Jaguar may have done a VAG and gamed the system - which lets be honest wouldn't come as a surprise to any one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31v46CeuqWg
https://youtu.be/WT5VmC-Ze3w
gangzoom said:
Its amazing Tesla have got it so right interms of the EV experience yet others are still been so slow to catch up.
If Tesla can deploy such a good charging network why cannot others?
‘Cannot’ is not really the right word here. Any of the big firms could raise a cheap bond in the markets and create a SC network. Given their size and corporate relationships it would be arguably a much easier task than Tesla found. If Tesla can deploy such a good charging network why cannot others?
So if it’s not a case of ‘can’t do it’ then we have to look at reasons as to why they haven’t done it.
Tesla had no choice but to use investor capital to build a network well in advance of having a market to utilise it. Plus, the geography and therefor car usage in the US is very different to Europe.
I suspect the primary reason is that if you look at all the major manufacturers they are all interwoven with their domestic governments as well as other governments and almost certainly they see no need in using their funds and time to build a network when they know that local governments will have to do so to further their agenda of moving consumers to EV.
To add to that are a load of smaller reasons as to why it’s not an essential requirement yet. The typical EV buyer is wealthy so has other cars and can fly. The distance between European cities is much smaller than in the US. There is no need for people who drive long distance to buy an EV, they aren’t an essential purchase.
It seems quite clear just from the badges on the back of the forthcoming EVs that the industry expects these products to remain the preserve of the affluent for quite some time to come and that from that segment it will be people who want a suburban runabout for light duty or a relatively local commute wagon.
Just look at the iPace. They’ve banged out an enormous number via abnormally restricted mileage leases. That tells you that there are more than enough low mileage people who would like an EV to fill orders for probably quite some time.
The charging network will appear when the manufacturers are running out of demand from those who have no need of such a network.
Perhaps my biggest surprise since buying an EV (an e-golf in my case) is how woeful the charging infrastructure is. Loads of different cards, some subscription some not, chargers often not working or ICEd or simply not enough provision (e.g. major shopping centres). We have an ICE as well but the practical effect is that I dont do journeys in the Golf that aren't comfortably within range (which is around 150 miles). I agree the supercharger network is the jewel in the Tesla crown. The acid test of their ongoing solvency will be if they allow third party access to the network. The moment they do, you know they are bust...
dmsims said:
With regard to the anecdotes on the Tesla and the longer journeys
How many 100Kw DC charges are available (for the iPace) ?
Fully charging the iPace at 50Kw is going to take about 2 hours
In the UK, one I think?? How many 100Kw DC charges are available (for the iPace) ?
Fully charging the iPace at 50Kw is going to take about 2 hours
But thats not really an issue, even yesterday with pretty horrific travel conditions and doing a long trip at 80KW charging on the Tesla Supercharger(normally 100KW but at least 50% bays in use), by the time we were ready to leave after food the charger had added so much range despite me driving it pretty hard on the way home I still got back with 30%+ range spare after 100 miles. 50KW charging would have been fine, unlike petrol cars because you can refuel at home you there is no need to fuel up to full, just enough to get you home with a 10% buffer.
Rather than wasting resources developing 350KW chargers if all UK motorway services had 10-12 50KW chargers that worked reliably that would be a massive step fowards.
gangzoom said:
red_slr said:
Not sure why they drove for a few hours with the heated seat on either, does anyone actually do that?
Because running the heat seater uses less energy than setting the cabin temp high.Its free heat but I don't know anything about the way the iPace works.
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