iPace currently available for £400/month wow!!

[gangzoom]

red_slr said:

Find me something

Brand new
400bhp
4x4 and capable of driving on wet muddy farm tracks
Cheap to run

There isn't much else IMHO.

Not sure about the 400bhp but I've done more miles on with these two in the last couple of months than in the car and loving it, one for fun one for work. No insurance, no breakdown worries, no worries about parking dings etc. The car is now relegated to been a mere bike/kid transporter - a job which the X does really well, the tow bar option is surprisingly helpful for pedal bike+kid transportation at the same time .



For the ££££ you will waste leasing an iPace which you hardly use for another 12 months you could have one of these to own for life, I suspect it'll handle any muddy track just as well as the iPace, and will get you fitter at the same time without giving you a heart attack every time you come across a hill!!



Or if the mud isn't that bad, you can get one without all the messy suspension bits .

Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 22 April 15:10

[DonkeyApple]

EddieSteadyGo said:

DonkeyApple said:

Does £2.40/mile qualify as cheap to run?

The main issue I had with the cheap lease deal was that the mileage restriction meant that the economies of EV just couldn’t be brought to near as you just couldn’t use the thing.

The over contract mileage rate is £0.29/mile. Not cheap, but neither too expensive to worry about vs the main cost of this type of car which is depreciation.

At the time, I thought the depreciation over 18 months was going to about £18k. In fact I think is going to end up over £20k (in just 18 months).

Yup. Just looking at the deal on the basis purely of a luxury car that’s a lot of fun and if you don’t do many miles it added up really well. It fell apart as an EV if the idea of an EV is to replace chunky daily diesel miles with something economically superior.

[dmsims]

DonkeyApple said:

Yup. Just looking at the deal on the basis purely of a luxury car that’s a lot of fun and if you don’t do many miles it added up really well. It fell apart as an EV if the idea of an EV is to replace chunky daily diesel miles with something economically superior.

20K miles in a Range Rover is going to be about £4K in diseasel alone (pre Covid prices)

[dmsims]

red_slr said:

4x4 and capable of driving on wet muddy farm tracks

Not this bks again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqjqCtbqvjo

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dmsims said:

red_slr said:

4x4 and capable of driving on wet muddy farm tracks and not looking like a hillbilly redneck

Not this bks again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqjqCtbqvjo

FTFY

[DonkeyApple]

dmsims said:

red_slr said:

4x4 and capable of driving on wet muddy farm tracks

Not this bks again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqjqCtbqvjo

Ever driven a Willys above 30 mph? Driven more than 30 miles in one or used one at temperatures above or below 30c?

They’re garden toys or enabling tools for mentally ill walts.

Any car will do the general offroading that we typically do. Any car will cross a wet field to an event or drive down a rutted or broken up track. That’s an absolute given. It’s just that it is easier, more relaxing and more comfortable to do it in an SUVan than in a hot hatch, mid engined sports car, fast estate or any of the fun stuff, even Grandpa’s big old executive saloon, that tends to be optimised for other types of use.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Just an update in case anyone is interested.

Got my i-pace back - fix took 5 weeks.

Apparently it was a battery cradle issue which holds the battery in place - there are some pins and they are became loose, hence the fault.

Slight annoyance apart from it taking 5 weeks; the whole rear of the car was covered in bird poo. They had furloughed the people who normally wash their cars and the remaining staff didn't bother to even clean the worst of the mess off.

Spoke to the manager about it - she tried to say it was somehow for my benefit i.e. they didn't want to touch the car so it reduced the chance of me catching covid. Total BS.

[DonkeyApple]

I’d detox the interior or not touch it for 72 hours frankly. If they couldn’t be arsed to removed the Avian Bird Flu risk then they won’t have removed the Norovirus, C19, Cooties or Lupus risk from their staff being inside the cabin.

Dumb fks. The one time they manifestly need to show that they have cleaned the car and they don’t bother.

Worth emailing JLR re their franchise? Doesn’t the franchise get knocked moneywise if they don’t meet basic customer standards?

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

I’d detox the interior or not touch it for 72 hours frankly. If they couldn’t be arsed to removed the Avian Bird Flu risk then they won’t have removed the Norovirus, C19, Cooties or Lupus risk from their staff being inside the cabin.

Dumb fks. The one time they manifestly need to show that they have cleaned the car and they don’t bother.

Worth emailing JLR re their franchise? Doesn’t the franchise get knocked moneywise if they don’t meet basic customer standards?

Hmm, I think mine would have been bankrupt long ago if that were true............

[DonkeyApple]

REALIST123 said:

Hmm, I think mine would have been bankrupt long ago if that were true............

It’s such a shame that the vast majority of consumers put up with such terrible service. It’s phenomenal how the basic skills have collapsed in such a short period of time.

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

REALIST123 said:

Hmm, I think mine would have been bankrupt long ago if that were true............

It’s such a shame that the vast majority of consumers put up with such terrible service. It’s phenomenal how the basic skills have collapsed in such a short period of time.

Absolutely. And my gripes have been based on routine customer service issues. The car’s been close to faultless and I have no issues there.

The dealer just seems incapable of telling the truth or treating the customer intelligently.

[red_slr]

Has anyone contacted Jaguar in relation to extending their deal?

Is the monthly cost staying the same?

[Witchfinder]

When do we reckon all these expiring lease cars are going to hit dealer forecourts? Second hand I-Pace prices have resolutely resisted doing below £45k for over six months now.

[DonkeyApple]

Witchfinder said:

When do we reckon all these expiring lease cars are going to hit dealer forecourts? Second hand I-Pace prices have resolutely resisted doing below £45k for over six months now.

I’ve been watching as well but unfortunately it’s rather easy to rig a market when you own all the stock and all too tempting when there are such large rewards for fixing ‘depreciation’ and converting it from a variable with risk to a zero risk fixed factor.

Sadly predictable when you saw the original lease deals. Turning depreciation into a fixed quantity was the only way they could have achieved those numbers.

[DonkeyApple]

Witchfinder said:

When do we reckon all these expiring lease cars are going to hit dealer forecourts? Second hand I-Pace prices have resolutely resisted doing below £45k for over six months now.

I’ve been watching as well but unfortunately it’s rather easy to rig a market when you own all the stock and all too tempting when there are such large rewards for fixing ‘depreciation’ and converting it from a variable with risk to a zero risk fixed factor.

Sadly predictable when you saw the original lease deals. Turning depreciation into a fixed quantity was the only way they could have achieved those numbers.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Saturday 4th July 11:19

[gangzoom]

Witchfinder said:

When do we reckon all these expiring lease cars are going to hit dealer forecourts? Second hand I-Pace prices have resolutely resisted doing below £45k for over six months now.

All EV used prices are static at the moment, used X prices are stuck £50k for even early cars, Leaf prices are going UP still at the bottom end .

Unsurprising in a way when the new Corsa is over £30k with decent spec and the eNiro is £36k.

A sub £45k used iPace is already 'good value' in comparison and if prices dropped to £40k it would be an absolute steal.

[EddieSteadyGo]

red_slr said:

Has anyone contacted Jaguar in relation to extending their deal?

Is the monthly cost staying the same?

Yes, I spoke with them.

You have two options i) ask for a formal extension - the cost goes up by around £100 / month for a 12 month extension ii) use the "informal extension" provision within the original contract which allows you to pay the same price on a rolling month by month basis.

I'm going for the informal option. Cost and mileage allowance stays the same. Plus you can keep the car and hand it back pretty much whenever you like. I plan to keep the car for another year beyond the end of the initial 18 month lease (which happens in September). But if something interesting comes along in the meantime, it is easy to just hand it back.

[Witchfinder]

DonkeyApple said:

Sadly predictable when you saw the original lease deals. Turning depreciation into a fixed quantity was the only way they could have achieved those numbers.

That makes sense. Tesla also prop up values in the second hand market. As long as you control a certain proportion of the supply, you're in a strong position to dictate price.

Given the discounts you can get on an I-Pace, and the improvements in spec and infotainment this year, I'm not sure If want an older one anyway. Not at £45k anyway.

Edited by Witchfinder on Saturday 4th July 11:52

[gangzoom]

Witchfinder said:

Tesla also prop up values in the second hand market.

Tesla haven't done this for a long time, if anything the official used CPO cars are often much better value than third party ones.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Witchfinder said:

Given the discounts you can get on an I-Pace, and the improvements in spec and infotainment this year, I'm not sure If want an older one anyway. Not at £5k anyway.

What are the improvements to spec which are worth having? Once you plug your phone into the car and use carplay/android-auto, you have a superb infotainment system. Hard to see how even an upgraded native Jaguar software could beat that.