Should I sell my 997 C4S and buy an i8

Should I sell my 997 C4S and buy an i8

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sco_steve

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53 posts

70 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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So BMW gave me a test drive in the BMW i8 last year, 4 days so naturally I took it up the NC500 and to Applecross camping.

The car took a while to bond with but when I got used to the best way to drive it (sport mode at all times), it actually was very enjoyable.

The gullwing doors are epic, and remind me of BTTF which is why I think I like it so much - it's like a modern day Delorean but a little faster.

Rear trunk/boot is hopeless, and the EV side is as useless as an EV, but from a performance POV quite interesting.

I like the noise (even though it is partly fake), and loved how it drove. Worked well on the school run too!

But here is the question, since the test drive my daily drivers have been my 997 C4S (manual, bose etc), and two Ford Focus RS Mk3's.

The RS is awesome, but the Ford dealer experience is vastly lacking compared to BMW. The 997 is a great one, no issues and a late 2008, and is epic to drive, but the RS is a better point to point car.

Should I sell the 997 C4S to get an i8, 2017 on and keep the RS as my daily drive, or sell both and just run the i8 all year?

The 997 will not depreciate much and if anything rise as it's a very good example, the RS will settle out about 20k eventually, so again financially not a big deal. However the i8 is in freefall, and I suspect will settle out in the 20's at some stage. I would keep 3 years or more, so likely a 40k loss, 10k a year running before servicing.

I have a BMW GSA also so have alternative transport options.

Curve ball, I test drove two Tesla's a P100D x and an S. Again likes the P100D but very expensive for what it is, and the autonomous driving in real life is not that much more added value right now than radar cruise for me (although 'm sure that will change).

What do you think?

MrOrange

2,035 posts

253 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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If depreciation is your primary issue then keep the 997 or buy a 3 year old i8. If running costs are the issue then px the Porker and get the i8 (running costs on a new one are as close to zero vs any car for it’s first 5 years).

A new one will likely lose more than you are expecting, mine will be 3 years old in March, cost me £110k and I would not expect to get much over £50k back if I sold it today with 14k miles on the clock. However, I can’t say the same for second hand ones, they seem to hit the 50’s quite quickly but then stop falling, I’d be very surprised if they ever dip into the 30’s (ropey, unwarranted examples aside). The oldest ones are coming up on 5 years old and still north of £50k.

The i8 is a car that suits few folks long-term IMHO. It’s too different to everything else out there and, whilst super-rare, makes little rational sense: Limited space, low/wide, silly doors, weedy 3-cyl engine, skinny tyres, fake noise, odd styling, 100k+ for a BMW, not an M car, crap EV range, plastic-bodied, poor handling/feedback on the limit, slow etc ... these are all levelled against it

But, it gets under yoir skin and makes more and more sense the more you live with it.

Its a pretty unique proposition as a proper GT car that can be quiet as a mouse when crossing continents whilst turning into a snarly wee thing when required. The EV range and operation is perfect once you make sense of it, less range is less weight but most town/short journeys are still leccy powered. Space is ok if you use the back seats, but if you need extra space then take one of your other cars (Range Rover or large-engined estate) because most i8 owners have a choice - its not a practical only-car.

Close to zero running costs are spectacular. Genuine 50mpg average from a supercar is epic, zero RFL plus no servicing costs for the first 5 years means it’ll cost a coupla tyres and less fuel than a warm hatch. Cheap as chips to run is nice, it makes you feel good about motoring around quietly, efficiently and in ultra-modern transport.

It suffers from being misunderstood- it’s not a car that will ever win Top Trumps, pub bragging rights (aside from depreciation) are non-existant. But, if you’ve done the whole “sports car thing”, are tired of daily driving cars developed on the ‘Ring, don’t mind 1.5 litres, and don’t drive on the limit everywhere you go then its a great, maybe unique, offering.

I bought mine new through my company - lots of tax benefits made it much cheaoer to own than a base 991, or even a C63S Merc! If you can manage that it’s a no brainer - if I didn’t have the tax benefits and I had to pay £200k pre-tax it would be too much for me to spend.

Edited by MrOrange on Wednesday 2nd January 11:20

sco_steve

Original Poster:

53 posts

70 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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MrOrange said:
If depreciation is your primary issue then keep the 997 or buy a 3 year old i8. If running costs are the issue then px the Porker and get the i8 (running costs on a new one are as close to zero vs any car for it’s first 5 years).

A new one will likely lose more than you are expecting, mine will be 3 years old in March, cost me £110k and I would not expect to get much over £50k back if I sold it today with 14k miles on the clock. However, I can’t say the same for second hand ones, they seem to hit the 50’s quite quickly but then stop falling, I’d be very surprised if they ever dip into the 30’s (ropey, unwarranted examples aside). The oldest ones are coming up on 5 years old and still north of £50k.

The i8 is a car that suits few folks long-term IMHO. It’s too different to everything else out there and, whilst super-rare, makes little rational sense: Limited space, low/wide, silly doors, weedy 3-cyl engine, skinny tyres, fake noise, odd styling, 100k+ for a BMW, not an M car, crap EV range, plastic-bodied, poor handling/feedback on the limit, slow etc ... these are all levelled against it

But, it gets under yoir skin and makes more and more sense the more you live with it.

Its a pretty unique proposition as a proper GT car that can be quiet as a mouse when crossing continents whilst turning into a snarly wee thing when required. The EV range and operation is perfect once you make sense of it, less range is less weight but most town/short journeys are still leccy powered. Space is ok if you use the back seats, but if you need extra space then take one of your other cars (Range Rover or large-engined estate) because most i8 owners have a choice - its not a practical only-car.

Close to zero running costs are spectacular. Genuine 50mpg average from a supercar is epic, zero RFL plus no servicing costs for the first 5 years means it’ll cost a coupla tyres and less fuel than a warm hatch. Cheap as chips to run is nice, it makes you feel good about motoring around quietly, efficiently and in ultra-modern transport.

It suffers from being misunderstood- it’s not a car that will ever win Top Trumps, pub bragging rights (aside from depreciation) are non-existant. But, if you’ve done the whole “sports car thing”, are tired of daily driving cars developed on the ‘Ring, don’t mind 1.5 litres, and don’t drive on the limit everywhere you go then its a great, maybe unique, offering.

I bought mine new through my company - lots of tax benefits made it much cheaoer to own than a base 991, or even a C63S Merc! If you can manage that it’s a no brainer - if I didn’t have the tax benefits and I had to pay £200k pre-tax it would be too much for me to spend.

Edited by MrOrange on Wednesday 2nd January 11:20
Thank you! Great to have a real owner feedback. I can buy new or nearly new through the company, which could benefit me, but not sure if a newraly new one would get the same benefits.

I am sorely tempted on some of the 17/18 reg cars, the 997 is very reliable but I fell in love with the i8.

It would be a second car along with a bike and Focus RS mk3....

Heres Johnny

7,228 posts

124 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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Other than early 2017 cars they will cost you on VED as the rules changed.

A Tesla P100D - you won't get one below 100k unless very lucky, and even luckier to find one that as zero VED and inclusive unlimited supercharging.. They've actually gone up a little lately, largely due to how few appear for sale, in fact any facelift MS with ludicrous is hard to find used, even the slightly older P90DL is likely to be north of 70k and they'll be a 2016..

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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If you find your 911 a bit too competent and lacking in character, then a tesla is a non starter (a great car, but 1 trick pony really and not a sports car at all, other than being ballistic-ally fast occasionally)

The i8 is an interesting car. imo, it's got "future classic" written all over it (not many made, a leader in tech, looks fab etc) so the long term depreciation will be ok i think when compared to other 100k cars). It's not that sporting when driven in isolation (ie on a test drive) but in the real world, it posses a unique range of capabilities that does work and is interesting. You'll also hear people complain it ain't "fast enough" for its price bracket, and whilst it's definitely not as fast as an equivalent 911 turbo (for example) in the real world, it's still far too fast to actually use all of it's performance. It also does genuinely still look modern, and pretty exotic when you see the (rare) few on the road. Nobody looks twice at a 911 these days unless it's the latest GT model, but the i8 does get attention (this may, or may not be a good thing, depending on how you like to roll.... ;-)

The problem is that really, your 911 sounds like the idea car for you!

If you have a short normal commute, then you could keep the C4, and get a cheap s/h i3 for the daily grind.............

sco_steve

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53 posts

70 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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Max_Torque said:
If you find your 911 a bit too competent and lacking in character, then a tesla is a non starter (a great car, but 1 trick pony really and not a sports car at all, other than being ballistic-ally fast occasionally)

The i8 is an interesting car. imo, it's got "future classic" written all over it (not many made, a leader in tech, looks fab etc) so the long term depreciation will be ok i think when compared to other 100k cars). It's not that sporting when driven in isolation (ie on a test drive) but in the real world, it posses a unique range of capabilities that does work and is interesting. You'll also hear people complain it ain't "fast enough" for its price bracket, and whilst it's definitely not as fast as an equivalent 911 turbo (for example) in the real world, it's still far too fast to actually use all of it's performance. It also does genuinely still look modern, and pretty exotic when you see the (rare) few on the road. Nobody looks twice at a 911 these days unless it's the latest GT model, but the i8 does get attention (this may, or may not be a good thing, depending on how you like to roll.... ;-)

The problem is that really, your 911 sounds like the idea car for you!

If you have a short normal commute, then you could keep the C4, and get a cheap s/h i3 for the daily grind.............
So the C4S is a fun car now, the RS MK3 is the daily at present, I just have a big desire for the i8...

gangzoom

6,298 posts

215 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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sco_steve said:
I just have a big desire for the i8...
Surely thats more than enough reason to go for any car??

sco_steve

Original Poster:

53 posts

70 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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Heres Johnny said:
Other than early 2017 cars they will cost you on VED as the rules changed.

A Tesla P100D - you won't get one below 100k unless very lucky, and even luckier to find one that as zero VED and inclusive unlimited supercharging.. They've actually gone up a little lately, largely due to how few appear for sale, in fact any facelift MS with ludicrous is hard to find used, even the slightly older P90DL is likely to be north of 70k and they'll be a 2016..
It's only 300 a year if pre-reg or used, so not that bad.

On the Tesla, they seem high for what they are, but pretty cool nonetheless.

sco_steve

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53 posts

70 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2019
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gangzoom said:
Surely thats more than enough reason to go for any car??
Indeed!

gangzoom

6,298 posts

215 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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A chap near me has recently swapped their i8 Coupe for a roadster. Am not normally a hybrid fan but the i8 does look good, though I do get worried every time I drive past it I'm going to squash it in the X and not even notice!!

Good effort on doing the school run in it, gull wing doors are just aweason, and more cars should have them smile.

I say go for it, personally never got the 911 obsession.

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 3rd January 07:37

culminator

576 posts

209 months

Thursday 3rd January 2019
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I thought long and hard before buying my I8 and had to sell my Caterham and Twisted Defender to get it. 18 months on and I have no regrets!

Mine is an occasional car but each time I use it, it seems epic. Very comfortable to drive and feels quick. It looks like a supercar but is very very useable.

Go for it!

sco_steve

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53 posts

70 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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culminator said:
I thought long and hard before buying my I8 and had to sell my Caterham and Twisted Defender to get it. 18 months on and I have no regrets!

Mine is an occasional car but each time I use it, it seems epic. Very comfortable to drive and feels quick. It looks like a supercar but is very very useable.

Go for it!
I had an MNR this year, awesome car

jjr1

3,023 posts

260 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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I am just in the process of selling my M4 and now desperately want an i8. I know they are very different cars but the i8 I drove just made great sense as a Gt cruiser which I need in my daily as i do 20k miles plus per year in my everyday car.

Ozmikeuk

25 posts

148 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Hi there

I’ve just recently sold my 997 C4S in favour for an i8, and haven’t looked back.

I used the 911 for a weekend toy, and had an i3 as a daily driver. I ended up doing very little driving in the 911, mainly due to the fact that it was such a low mileage example that I didn’t enjoy racking up the miles in it.....sad I know.

I decided to buy the i8, as in my mind you get the best of both worlds....economical for my commute and fast enough to have some fun when I feel like it.

I’ve had my fair share of sports cars including of course the 911, but also a Lotus Elise, M3’s, SLK55, C63, RS6 and a couple of Boxsters, and out of all these, I enjoy the i8 the most. Yes the interior (and in fact the exterior) exhaust sound is synthetic, but it still sounds okay, has all the drama with the looks and doors, is extremely well built and is a really nice drive. I do however miss the sound of the v8 in both the SLK55 and C63.

Insofar as economy and EV driving is concerned, with some careful driving I regularly get 18-19 miles in pure EV mode on my way to work and about 16 miles on my way home (journey home has more uphill stretches). I’ve only owned the i8 since October, so I expect in summer I’ll be able to get more miles in pure EV mode. I’m currently averaging 80mpg.

I hope this helps....and will be happy to answer any questions you might have.

Thx







erics

2,663 posts

211 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Swapped an aston v12v manual 3.5 years ago for a brand new i8. Haven’t looked back.

So easy to live with. So cheap to run. Very quick in the real world. Relaxing when you want, punchy when you decide otherwise.

A very misunderstood car. The least people like it, the better since they may eventually stop production. Then they can go back up!

Edited by erics on Sunday 20th January 13:46

LotusJas

1,324 posts

231 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Had my i8 for 3.5 years now. Awesome car, and surprising cheap to run.

MrOrange

2,035 posts

253 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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LotusJas said:
Had my i8 for 3.5 years now. Awesome car, and surprising cheap to run.
Likewise. Total cost over 3 years and 15k miles for me is under £7.5k all-in. Including insurance, tracker, VED, fuel, servicing, charging. Cheapest car I’ve owned, planning to keep it forever so depreciation is not an issue but going into year 4 I have the extra cost of the extended warranty (£900/yr)

sco_steve

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53 posts

70 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Ozmikeuk said:
Hi there

I’ve just recently sold my 997 C4S in favour for an i8, and haven’t looked back.

I used the 911 for a weekend toy, and had an i3 as a daily driver. I ended up doing very little driving in the 911, mainly due to the fact that it was such a low mileage example that I didn’t enjoy racking up the miles in it.....sad I know.

I decided to buy the i8, as in my mind you get the best of both worlds....economical for my commute and fast enough to have some fun when I feel like it.

I’ve had my fair share of sports cars including of course the 911, but also a Lotus Elise, M3’s, SLK55, C63, RS6 and a couple of Boxsters, and out of all these, I enjoy the i8 the most. Yes the interior (and in fact the exterior) exhaust sound is synthetic, but it still sounds okay, has all the drama with the looks and doors, is extremely well built and is a really nice drive. I do however miss the sound of the v8 in both the SLK55 and C63.

Insofar as economy and EV driving is concerned, with some careful driving I regularly get 18-19 miles in pure EV mode on my way to work and about 16 miles on my way home (journey home has more uphill stretches). I’ve only owned the i8 since October, so I expect in summer I’ll be able to get more miles in pure EV mode. I’m currently averaging 80mpg.

I hope this helps....and will be happy to answer any questions you might have.

Thx
That's really interesting as I am finding the same with the 997 C4S.

I actually have 3 cars, 997 C4S, a new Focus RS Mk3 and a 2005 Boxster 987 2.7. I am sorely tempted to chop all in and just have the i8.

The only concern is the following:

1. No storage in the i8 compared to above cars.
2. Small rear seat for kids
3. Depreciation

I wouldn't buy new, maybe a 17 or 18 plate but it's going to be 60k, which is less of course than the above combined, but aside from the RS, most of the depreciation is done on the others.

Do you think it's a decent one car usable tool, my wife has a practical car so in reality she would be able to help with family trips etc.

I just love those doors!

MrOrange

2,035 posts

253 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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sco_steve said:
1. No storage in the i8 compared to above cars.
2. Small rear seat for kids
3. Depreciation
1. It’s fine for what it is, rear seats plus hatch rear is enough for most needs, esp if you another car for tip runs
2. I’ve had adults in the back of mine for short journeys - 6 footers have head clearance issues, more portly built struggle with access.
3. Secondhand it seems comparable. Factor in low running costs and it becomes cheap considering, esp if you’re swapping 3 cars for 1. Ensure it’s got a BMW FSH and warranty.

sco_steve

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53 posts

70 months

Wednesday 6th February 2019
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MrOrange said:
1. It’s fine for what it is, rear seats plus hatch rear is enough for most needs, esp if you another car for tip runs
2. I’ve had adults in the back of mine for short journeys - 6 footers have head clearance issues, more portly built struggle with access.
3. Secondhand it seems comparable. Factor in low running costs and it becomes cheap considering, esp if you’re swapping 3 cars for 1. Ensure it’s got a BMW FSH and warranty.
Thanks that is really helpful. I've just agreed a sale on my 911, so now have the decision of whether to trade the Focus RS mk3 in adn just have an i8 or keep both! The Boxster will go up for sale when the sun comes out and find a new enthusiast home.

I'm thinking i8 plus my BMW 1250GS Adv motorbike as the new daily fleet for my 30 mile round commute.

Now what colour!!?