Electric cars - range when thrashed
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SpeckledJim said:
I think a new GT2 or Ferrari seems to be a much greater fire risk than a BEV, but Eurostar don't place restrictions on those.
Agree the consequences are very high. But surely the risk is absolutely minimal?
The risk is minimal - but for example, I’m not even allowed to carry a large lithium battery on an aeroplane, let alone charge it. They can, and do, just catch fire. I’m not allowed to carry petrol on a ‘plane either.Agree the consequences are very high. But surely the risk is absolutely minimal?
What’s the chance of any car spontaneously catching fire? Sod all.
What’s the chance of any car catching fire while being refuelled? More than sod all, but still low, which is why you’re not allowed to refuel cars in high risk situations.
LG9k said:
feef said:
There is the argument that if you've been driving long enough to need a recharge, then you should probably stop for a rest anyway. With a Tesla or one of the others that support decent fast charging, a 20 minute fast-charge break should be sufficient to see a reasonable charge level
See ntiz' post, he had to stop 9 times on his, admittedly long, journey. 9 x 20 minutes = 3 hours extra.
I use an eNV200 on a daily basis, mostly work related.
Anything approaching motorway speeds will see a range of under 1km per 1%, wafting round town in summer and it's 1.5km per 1%.
It's just a matter of knowing what I will be doing tomorrow, then charging to 80% or 100%. Overall consumption is 6.1km per kWhr.
Also have three 24kWhr Leafs. Mrs Cazique's Leaf is on 7.5km per kWhr. Two office ladies - one on 7.2, the other is on 6.2. Shows the style of driving!
Not really bothered any more about "spirited driving", nowadays I enjoy the very low running cost of an EV, driving slower (particularly round town) makes almost no difference to journey times.
Only petrol I now buy is for the mower.
Can't see me ever buying another ICE vehicle, hateful things.
98elise said:
CJ1 said:
Tesla Hosted a track day at Goodwood once, every 15 minutes/ 1 Session the cars would have to be recharged 
and it took about an Hour before they were out again on track again. To be fair though, that was about 5 years ago when they were still on the Original Roadster.
Do you have any links for that? 5th gear did a review/range test of the original Roadster including a track session and didn't have a problem with range IIRC. and it took about an Hour before they were out again on track again. To be fair though, that was about 5 years ago when they were still on the Original Roadster. Obviously you will use more energy when you accelerate harder but regen helps.
Did 160 miles today, 15-20mph headwind all the way, light rain, temp around 10, drove at pretty much 70 all the way apart from a 10 mile 50 stretch on the M6. Travel time was identical to what Google predicted.
Started the trip at 100% and arrived with 10% spare, could have slowed down if needed but the car is pretty accurate at predicting range.
Ours is the smallest range Tesla you can buy, but 2.30hrs+ driving at motorway speeds is enough range for our needs. A larger battery S/X will have arrived with 30%ish spare instead of 11%.
If you want to sit at 80mph+ in the same conditions I suspect you will have needed to stop to charge in any current EV you can buy. Tomrrow the trip home we'll have a 30-40mph tail wind which I suspect will mean 30% better range than today's trip. However if driving into a 30-40mph headwind at 80mph, I doubt our X will manage 100 miles before needing a charge.
An EV that can do 300 miles of real world range in UK winter at 80mph in any weather is years away.
Started the trip at 100% and arrived with 10% spare, could have slowed down if needed but the car is pretty accurate at predicting range.
Ours is the smallest range Tesla you can buy, but 2.30hrs+ driving at motorway speeds is enough range for our needs. A larger battery S/X will have arrived with 30%ish spare instead of 11%.
If you want to sit at 80mph+ in the same conditions I suspect you will have needed to stop to charge in any current EV you can buy. Tomrrow the trip home we'll have a 30-40mph tail wind which I suspect will mean 30% better range than today's trip. However if driving into a 30-40mph headwind at 80mph, I doubt our X will manage 100 miles before needing a charge.
An EV that can do 300 miles of real world range in UK winter at 80mph in any weather is years away.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 26th January 16:18
gangzoom said:
An EV that can do 300 miles of real world range in UK winter at 80mph in any weather is years away.
There's no reason it couldn't be done now at a price, there's just not enough demand for it to justify that price. I suspect the Tesla Roadster mk2 will do it if it happens.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 26th January 17:32
kambites said:
There's no reason it couldn't be done now at a price, there's just not enough demand for it to justify that price.
I suspect the Tesla Roadster mk2 will do it if it happens.
I suspect the Roadster 2.0 will so it too, but a $200k starting price will be easily £200k by the time it appears in the UK in a few years time. It'll be about as mass market as the original roadster.I suspect the Tesla Roadster mk2 will do it if it happens.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 26th January 17:32
My wifes did 500 miles on a tank of fuel in our Lexus IS300H a few months ago over pretty much 36hrs, all at third lane M way speeds, and when I went to fill up that weekend the range predictor still said 60 miles.
If your a true 'road warrior' EVs are simply don't have the range offered by combustion cars, and wouldnt do for a while yet. But true 'road warriors' are few even on this forum, most people simply don't need much more than 200 miles of fuel range.
Despite us using the Lexus for the long work trips the odometer in the Tesla is now only 5K less, the Lexus was bought in March 2015 versus Sep 2017 for the Tesla, that tells you all you need to know which car gets used the most in the household. Absolute range really is not an issue for day to day use for pretty much every single EV on sale today.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 26th January 18:40
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 26th January 18:41
This video, and some of the others that are published by Bjorn Nyland are quite intresting, and are good at making you want a tesla: https://youtu.be/ojUFPKgs6iI
Did a 20 mile mainly M way stint at a 'brisk' pace, 20mph headwind, a bit of rain but not too cold. Consumption works out at roughly 1.7 miles per kWh, so a range of 120 miles or so for our 75D X. This is actually not that bad, considering the speed.
Return leg I sat at 60mph to see the difference, clearly slower but now the total range would be more like 220 miles.
So to answer the OP, like all cars the quicker you go the more energy you need. With an EV your notice the increased energy use much much more than in a petrol car.
Return leg I sat at 60mph to see the difference, clearly slower but now the total range would be more like 220 miles.
So to answer the OP, like all cars the quicker you go the more energy you need. With an EV your notice the increased energy use much much more than in a petrol car.
gangzoom said:
Did a 20 mile mainly M way stint at a 'brisk' pace, 20mph headwind, a bit of rain but not too cold. Consumption works out at roughly 1.7 miles per kWh, so a range of 120 miles or so for our 75D X. This is actually not that bad, considering the speed.
Return leg I sat at 60mph to see the difference, clearly slower but now the total range would be more like 220 miles.
So to answer the OP, like all cars the quicker you go the more energy you need. With an EV your notice the increased energy use much much more than in a petrol car.
120 mile range in what is a rather good EV? That’s hardly road warrior territory - that’s my current daily commute. 60 miles total each way, 50 on the motorway, most of that 50 will be at 85 - 90 as I’m going against the traffic. No chance of charging at work, you can’t even get a parking space after 8:15, let alone one with a power supply. Return leg I sat at 60mph to see the difference, clearly slower but now the total range would be more like 220 miles.
So to answer the OP, like all cars the quicker you go the more energy you need. With an EV your notice the increased energy use much much more than in a petrol car.
That’s scarily awful.
As has been said before, EVs are not good for people who want to do regular long trips at 30% over the national speed limit. Somehow I don't think that's going to be seen as a barrier to their adoption though.
Frankly if you're really doing 90 every day as a part of your commute, I'm amazed you still have a licence.
Frankly if you're really doing 90 every day as a part of your commute, I'm amazed you still have a licence.
rxe said:
120 mile range in what is a rather good EV? That’s hardly road warrior territory - that’s my current daily commute. 60 miles total each way, 50 on the motorway, most of that 50 will be at 85 - 90 as I’m going against the traffic. No chance of charging at work, you can’t even get a parking space after 8:15, let alone one with a power supply.
That’s scarily awful.
If your doing 120 miles a day commute switching to an EV will save you a decent wedge on your fuel bill.That’s scarily awful.
Even a 40kWh Leaf will manage 120 miles a day all year round at legal M-way speeds. If you insist on been the first person to be caught speeding everyday in lane 3 than maybe it wouldn't for you.
120 miles a day for 260 days a year is 31k a year, I think your mileage is very much in the 'road warrior' range as its four time more the national average of 8k per year.
Oh an Autopilot enabled Tesla would probably also make your life easier. I did a 80 mile commute for 18 months that nearly killed me for bordem, if I was still doing those miles I would activate Autopilot on our Tesla in a heartbeat.
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 27th January 17:17
I don’t do it everyday - some weeks commuting is getting a cab to Heathrow, and a cab home on Thursday evening. I’d guess I’m doing about 25k on an annual basis right now. As to the speed, 80 seems to be the minimum on my stretch of road, and I’m far from being the fastest, which is a big contributor to not getting nicked.
For me, “road warriors” are people doing several hundred miles each day, not a return journey of 120 miles - that’s “going to see some friends”. This returns us to the OP - the reason we see loads of EVs going at a rather pedestrian pace is because they don’t go very far when driven hard.
For me, “road warriors” are people doing several hundred miles each day, not a return journey of 120 miles - that’s “going to see some friends”. This returns us to the OP - the reason we see loads of EVs going at a rather pedestrian pace is because they don’t go very far when driven hard.
I have an X90D that I drive the our office in Germany every couple of weeks (from the Netherlands), the drop off at Autobahn speeds is dramatic. Normally 100% charge gives me close to 400KM, can get that down to 150ish but that means sitting mostly above 200KMPH and not really taking advantage of regen braking.
At first I was pretty unhappy but then I compared it to my old 911, which I could also drop to a range of 200ish km on the autobahn and that had the extra large fuel tank and was not a 6 seater rolling slab.
Party piece for both on the autobahn was acceleration, Tesla for speed and 911 for the noise either way it drinks energy regardless of how it is generated.
Battery capacity is going up fast and I am very interested in seeing what the Taycan does with Porsche engineered cooling to keep up performance and the new 350KW chargers it should be getting very close the distance experience a powerful petrol engine.
Davie
At first I was pretty unhappy but then I compared it to my old 911, which I could also drop to a range of 200ish km on the autobahn and that had the extra large fuel tank and was not a 6 seater rolling slab.
Party piece for both on the autobahn was acceleration, Tesla for speed and 911 for the noise either way it drinks energy regardless of how it is generated.
Battery capacity is going up fast and I am very interested in seeing what the Taycan does with Porsche engineered cooling to keep up performance and the new 350KW chargers it should be getting very close the distance experience a powerful petrol engine.
Davie
It’s not so much the range it’s the 45 minutes of charging it just seems to add up.
As some have said no one has claimed a Tesla is the ideal long distance car. But at the same time these are expensive luxury cars nothing should phase them. That’s just my opinion though.
I should add that the Austra trip would have been absolutely horrendous in any car it was just one of those journies. I guess the thing I have found with my Tesla is that on those days when you need your car to just faultlessly soldier on and get you home it adds another layer of unnecessary stress and inconvenience.
Some deal better with this than me. I openly admit to being possibly the worst kind of person to have a Tesla because of my needs and expectations.
As some have said no one has claimed a Tesla is the ideal long distance car. But at the same time these are expensive luxury cars nothing should phase them. That’s just my opinion though.
I should add that the Austra trip would have been absolutely horrendous in any car it was just one of those journies. I guess the thing I have found with my Tesla is that on those days when you need your car to just faultlessly soldier on and get you home it adds another layer of unnecessary stress and inconvenience.
Some deal better with this than me. I openly admit to being possibly the worst kind of person to have a Tesla because of my needs and expectations.
rxe said:
I’d guess I’m doing about 25k on an annual basis right now.
Forget everything else, at £1.30/l and a true 45mpg thats £3.3k a year on fuel. Over 3 years thats £10k.Including charging losses our EV costs
2.8p per mile in fuel, thats £750 a year in fuel costs to do 25k.
Get a used Model S Tesla with what remains of the 8 year unlimited miles battery/motor warranty that remains intact regardless of servicing and your be £10k better off at 3 years. Excluding any fancy tax fiddling you can do with EVs.
Even in worst conditions and driving at stupid speeds your be able to do the 120 mile trip, given the S has about 10-15% more range than our X.
Edited by gangzoom on Monday 28th January 11:41
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