Electric cars - range when thrashed

[gangzoom]

ntiz said:

Or buy yourself a really nicely speced 5 series for around 50k leaving you around 25k for fuel.

You still want to spend £50k on car with a tractor engine!!!

At least go for one Toyotas posh 'self charging' hybrids. Our Lexus hyrbid returns better fuel economy at speed than our old Civic diesel.

For all the 'worry' about EV range people have especially in winter, our has ticked 1500 miles since 1st of Jan 2019 this weekend. Bare in mind my commute is a 10 miles round trip I would say for most people range is not an issue with the current crop of EVs.

[jjwilde]

ntiz said:

Or buy yourself a really nicely speced 5 series for around 50k leaving you around 25k for fuel.

Tesla Model3 and get the best of both worlds.

[gangzoom]

jjwilde said:

Tesla Model3 and get the best of both worlds.

You forget no one wants a Model 3 and in anycase Tesla will be bankrupt by the end of this week

[rxe]

gangzoom said:

Forget everything else, at £1.30/l and a true 45mpg thats £3.3k a year on fuel. Over 3 years thats £10k.

Including charging losses our EV costs
2.8p per mile in fuel, thats £750 a year in fuel costs to do 25k.

Get a used Model S Tesla with what remains of the 8 year unlimited miles battery/motor warranty that remains intact regardless of servicing and your be £10k better off at 3 years. Excluding any fancy tax fiddling you can do with EVs.

Even in worst conditions and driving at stupid speeds your be able to do the 120 mile trip, given the S has about 10-15% more range than our X.

Edited by gangzoom on Monday 28th January 11:41

OK, so I can save about 2.5 grand a year in fuel costs. To do that I have to drop 70k on a used Tesla S with a slightly indeterminate resale value in 3 years. (that was roughly the price of the first three s/h ones on Tesla’s site.)

Why would I do that?

As noted above, I could drop 50k on a rather nice 5 series and still be 10 grand better off than the Tesla idea. Or I could carry on doing it in an Alfa diesel estate that is worth chuff all, for the full 60k saving over getting a Tesla.

[FurtiveFreddy]

kambites said:

As has been said before, EVs are not good for people who want to do regular long trips at 30% over the national speed limit. Somehow I don't think that's going to be seen as a barrier to their adoption though.

Frankly if you're really doing 90 every day as a part of your commute, I'm amazed you still have a licence.

Not every day, but once or twice a week I have a 130 mile round trip I have to do which is mostly M25 & M3.
With my current ICE, you'd probably be surprised what speeds I'm achieving (still with a clean licence) but I'm usually going against the traffic and off peak.

Originally, I thought I'd be going for the SR 'cheap' Model 3 but I've adjusted my expectation and can see that if I want to drive at the same speeds I do now, I'll need the large battery pack (destination charging is not an option for my journey).

So I'm resigned to spending more money on the LR M3 and as it's the only one they're selling to begin with, I'll still be one of the first M3 owners, so all's good.

The post above about the Model S at autobahn speeds makes me quite optimistic I'll get enough range not to have to modify my driving style

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

ntiz said:

Or buy yourself a really nicely speced 5 series for around 50k leaving you around 25k for fuel.

You still want to spend £50k on car with a tractor engine!!!

At least go for one Toyotas posh 'self charging' hybrids. Our Lexus hyrbid returns better fuel economy at speed than our old Civic diesel.

For all the 'worry' about EV range people have especially in winter, our has ticked 1500 miles since 1st of Jan 2019 this weekend. Bare in mind my commute is a 10 miles round trip I would say for most people range is not an issue with the current crop of EVs.

Hardly a tractor engine and the 530d is quieter inside than the Tesla S cruising at 70/75mph. That’s with RFTs. The X is noisier than the S.

[RJG46]

gangzoom said:

ntiz said:

Or buy yourself a really nicely speced 5 series for around 50k leaving you around 25k for fuel.

You still want to spend £50k on car with a tractor engine!!!

You spent god knows how much on a car powered by a Milk Float engine.

[RobDickinson]

https://youtu.be/ZXHyjXaVWF8

[jjwilde]

RobDickinson said:

https://youtu.be/ZXHyjXaVWF8

This lead me to discover (after a few clicks) the model3 LR does 260miles at 80mph! That is pretty impressive, it must be very very slippery.

[RobDickinson]

jjwilde said:

RobDickinson said:

https://youtu.be/ZXHyjXaVWF8

This lead me to discover (after a few clicks) the model3 LR does 260miles at 80mph! That is pretty impressive, it must be very very slippery.

Very.

Range:
120 km/h = 450 km (281 mi)
150 km/h = 315 km (197 mi)
180 km/h = 250 km (156 mi)
200 km/h = 180 km (113 mi)

Still depends on temps/wind etc. Should charge faster on v3/ccs too

[gangzoom]

Going to London tomorrow, 110 miles, normally can get 300-330Wh/mile consumption in summer at legal speeds...

Weather report tomorrow suggests upto 40mph head wind, with rain just for fun, but OK temps.

Anyone want to guess range/consumption at 65-70mph? Am going for 400-500Wh/mile - have destination charging so not worried, probably will leave home on 90% SOC, aim to arrive with 10%....

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 7th February 10:19

[DJP31]

gangzoom said:

Going to London tomorrow, 110 miles, normally can get 300-330Wh/mile consumption in summer at legal speeds...

Weather report tomorrow suggests upto 40mph head wind, with rain just for fun, but OK temps.

Anyone want to guess range/consumption at 65-70mph? Am going for 400-500Wh/mile - have destination charging so not worried, probably will leave home on 90% SOC, aim to arrive with 10%....

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 7th February 10:19

Why not leave with 100% SoC?

[gangzoom]

Doing some errands before leaving, if I get time to plug in before the trip I will, but 90% should be more than enough for 110 mile trip regardless of weather.....hopefully

[anonymous-user]

Is this what it’s come to? Having to be hopeful of completing a 110 mile trip?

[gangzoom]

REALIST123 said:

Is this what it’s come to? Having to be hopeful of completing a 110 mile trip?

Actually my predictions were totally off, horrific rain, head wind, big crash on M1 with stationary traffic for a decent while, daughter refusing to nap in the car......all resulted us needing at a BP petrol station as my wife needed a coffee and we all needed to get out use our legs!!!

The car was fine though, used up just over 50% to cover 100 miles, almost no worse consumption than in summer .

.

[RobDickinson]

Bad news for the iPace and etron..

https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/tesla-efficiency-ra...

model x is 23% more efficient than the etron and 26% more efficient than the ipace ...

[gary892]

I have a Tesla Model S P85 2015 and will summarize my experience with it below.

Bought second hand in April 2017 so just coming up for 2 years. Cost £50k.

The indicated range on mine at 100% charge is now 231 miles, it was 242 when I got it which gives you an idea of battery degradation.

- If I drive in granny mode, 55mph tops, I'll get the indicated range, perhaps a little more.
- Driving normally, with normal traffic, or cruising at 70mph max will get me 200 miles no problem.
- If I push on a bit, say ~70mph in 60 zones, and 80-90mph dual carriageways/motorways then I'm looking at 150 miles range.
- If I go flat out, license losing speeds, driving like I stole it or 130mph+ on dual carriageways/motorways then I tend to get around 110 miles.
- I doubt you could get less than 100 miles out of it no matter what you tried.

In the time I've owned it I've done 60,000 miles, all charging done at Tesla Superchargers at a total cost of £0. My previous car was a Jaguar XFR which cost £70 to fill up and probably had a similar range, maybe 250 miles, so that gives me a fuel saving of £16,800.

The car is now worth around £35k so has depreciated by roughly what I have saved in fuel. There would also have been £1,100 road tax for the XFR.

One negative point is that Elon Musk is a fraud, and as a result Tesla will soon be bankrupt which will impact the resale value of my car and be the end of my free supercharging. I've planned for this by shorting the company. Oh and it eats rear tyres for breakfast.

[FurtiveFreddy]

ash73 said:

Another real world test, only 3 EVs managed to scrape over 250 miles.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1092192/...

Well, for a start the test is 4 months old and the P75D isn't being made any more, so it would be good to know on what basis What Car? picked each model of EV. Did they choose the smallest battery packs on all of them?

Apart from all of that, as we keep saying, range is something a prospective EV purchaser needs to look at as part of their buying criteria.
For some, 100 miles range could be all they ever need.

Things change fast in the EV world, so a story like this has a very limited shelf-life in any case.

[arfursleep]

FurtiveFreddy said:

ash73 said:

Another real world test, only 3 EVs managed to scrape over 250 miles.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1092192/...

Well, for a start the test is 4 months old and the P75D isn't being made any more, so it would be good to know on what basis What Car? picked each model of EV. Did they choose the smallest battery packs on all of them?

Apart from all of that, as we keep saying, range is something a prospective EV purchaser needs to look at as part of their buying criteria.
For some, 100 miles range could be all they ever need.

Things change fast in the EV world, so a story like this has a very limited shelf-life in any case.

I've had a Tesla Model S 75D from new in 2018. When fully charged, it shows a range of 231 miles but I work on 200 miles which is also what the sales guy told me on the test drive so I'd say WhatCar are pretty much spot on. I'd have preferred the 100D but couldn't afford the extra cost.

[DJP31]

arfursleep said:

FurtiveFreddy said:

ash73 said:

Another real world test, only 3 EVs managed to scrape over 250 miles.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1092192/...

Well, for a start the test is 4 months old and the P75D isn't being made any more, so it would be good to know on what basis What Car? picked each model of EV. Did they choose the smallest battery packs on all of them?

Apart from all of that, as we keep saying, range is something a prospective EV purchaser needs to look at as part of their buying criteria.
For some, 100 miles range could be all they ever need.

Things change fast in the EV world, so a story like this has a very limited shelf-life in any case.

I've had a Tesla Model S 75D from new in 2018. When fully charged, it shows a range of 231 miles but I work on 200 miles which is also what the sales guy told me on the test drive so I'd say WhatCar are pretty much spot on. I'd have preferred the 100D but couldn't afford the extra cost.

Certainly better to be cautious than not, but on a long journey in my 75D on 19” wheels I can happily get 250 miles. The 231 quoted is on the ‘typical’ rating of circa 300 Wh/m, I can easily get well below that and still have fun driving.

That’s in good weather of course, nearer 200 in the winter where range really does suffer.