Just picked up my I Pace

[ds666]

We have a E tron and an Ipace ( picture further up this thread) . I've said before that they are completely different prospects . For driving enjoyment the Jag is great , for "wafting " , we'd take the E tron . Jag is miles more " urgent " and so much better in the corners . Both great cars but chalk and cheese . Fortunately the wife is happy with the Etron so I use the Jag

Bertie - how do they compare to the Tesla and why did you change ?

Harry's garage video is spot on regarding non-Tesla electric cars , it isn't really about the i-pace specifically regarding charging .

[Triumph Trollomite]

How is range on the Etron and is yours the 90kw?

We have a 1000 mile trip down to Florence in August, we are taking 3 to 4 days to get down there and will be planning the route to hopefully take in Interlaken, Davos and Milan. So far, the reports suggest the Jag is better for range (though I suspect this is not necessarily due to efficiency)

[ds666]

Range on the ipace is better but the etron seems to be more stable on predicated range . Wouldn’t expect /plan much more than 200 miles in either , maybe 225 in the ipace but they are very speed dependant . Anything over 70 mph and the range drops quicker than the miles you go , if you see what I mean .

Seems funny in 2020 that we have to plan trips based on fuel stops !

[SWoll]

Triumph Trollomite said:

Ordinarily performance would be something to decide the issue, but here, it is about a 3 year prospect with a car to cover a lot of miles and for that the Jag is winning out as the thing I keep looking at. The etron, whilst I will test it, just feels so very very bland in comparison.

You say a lot of miles. What kind of regular usage are you expecting?

[Triumph Trollomite]

SWoll said:

Triumph Trollomite said:

Ordinarily performance would be something to decide the issue, but here, it is about a 3 year prospect with a car to cover a lot of miles and for that the Jag is winning out as the thing I keep looking at. The etron, whilst I will test it, just feels so very very bland in comparison.

You say a lot of miles. What kind of regular usage are you expecting?

25k a year. 200 mile one way commute once a week, then back. Plus standard driving around.

Yes, EV will mean more time charging but I can charge at home and the office - the BIK makes the difference.

[85Carrera]

ds666 said:

Harry's garage video is spot on regarding non-Tesla electric cars , it isn't really about the i-pace specifically regarding charging .

I think he’s spot on, in how he uses the car, limiting it to the range and charging at home.

How long does a Tesla take to fast charge because I wouldn’t want to add 45-60 mins to a 4 hour trip because it needed a top up and then to be limited to going to where I could charge it so I could get home again!

[SWoll]

Triumph Trollomite said:

SWoll said:

Triumph Trollomite said:

Ordinarily performance would be something to decide the issue, but here, it is about a 3 year prospect with a car to cover a lot of miles and for that the Jag is winning out as the thing I keep looking at. The etron, whilst I will test it, just feels so very very bland in comparison.

You say a lot of miles. What kind of regular usage are you expecting?

25k a year. 200 mile one way commute once a week, then back. Plus standard driving around.

Yes, EV will mean more time charging but I can charge at home and the office - the BIK makes the difference.

I think my only concern in your situation would be either of those cars being able to do a reliable 200 miles without a charging stop in the dead of winter, and then having to find available public charging. Any bad weather and I think you'll likely struggle?

[bertie]

SWoll said:

Triumph Trollomite said:

SWoll said:

Triumph Trollomite said:

Ordinarily performance would be something to decide the issue, but here, it is about a 3 year prospect with a car to cover a lot of miles and for that the Jag is winning out as the thing I keep looking at. The etron, whilst I will test it, just feels so very very bland in comparison.

You say a lot of miles. What kind of regular usage are you expecting?

25k a year. 200 mile one way commute once a week, then back. Plus standard driving around.

Yes, EV will mean more time charging but I can charge at home and the office - the BIK makes the difference.

I think my only concern in your situation would be either of those cars being able to do a reliable 200 miles without a charging stop in the dead of winter, and then having to find available public charging. Any bad weather and I think you'll likely struggle?

The charging network is very disjointed at the moement.

The roadside charging stations are not manufactured or tested with the same rigour as the automotive world is subject to.
So there are situations out there where certain charge stations will fail to communicate with certian cars due to communications timing tolerances.
Add in the fact that some of the charge stations are simply unreliable and making a trip needs some planning.

I changed from the Tesla as I'd had it 2 1/2 years and my company car was due for a change.

The Jagual and the Audi are far better screwed together than the Tesla was, however the drivetrain and battery tech in the Tesla is still better despite being older.

I did find my model S just too wide for the UK, hence my comment if I were looking now I'd look at a long range model 3.

Given your drive profile, with regualr 200 mile trips, I'm not sure an EV is right for you if I'm honest.

[ds666]

85Carrera said:

ds666 said:

Harry's garage video is spot on regarding non-Tesla electric cars , it isn't really about the i-pace specifically regarding charging .

I think he’s spot on, in how he uses the car, limiting it to the range and charging at home.

Completely agree . 95% of the time I use EV but for long trips ( eg. 300 miles round trip ) I take an ICE as I cannot be **sed with range limited by speed and a crap non-tesla charging infrastructure adding to my worries . Means I can put the hood down , something not even a new Tesla can do

[FiF]

bertie said:

SWoll said:

Triumph Trollomite said:

SWoll said:

Triumph Trollomite said:

Ordinarily performance would be something to decide the issue, but here, it is about a 3 year prospect with a car to cover a lot of miles and for that the Jag is winning out as the thing I keep looking at. The etron, whilst I will test it, just feels so very very bland in comparison.

You say a lot of miles. What kind of regular usage are you expecting?

25k a year. 200 mile one way commute once a week, then back. Plus standard driving around.

Yes, EV will mean more time charging but I can charge at home and the office - the BIK makes the difference.

I think my only concern in your situation would be either of those cars being able to do a reliable 200 miles without a charging stop in the dead of winter, and then having to find available public charging. Any bad weather and I think you'll likely struggle?

The charging network is very disjointed at the moement.

The roadside charging stations are not manufactured or tested with the same rigour as the automotive world is subject to.
So there are situations out there where certain charge stations will fail to communicate with certian cars due to communications timing tolerances.
Add in the fact that some of the charge stations are simply unreliable and making a trip needs some planning.

I changed from the Tesla as I'd had it 2 1/2 years and my company car was due for a change.

The Jagual and the Audi are far better screwed together than the Tesla was, however the drivetrain and battery tech in the Tesla is still better despite being older.

I did find my model S just too wide for the UK, hence my comment if I were looking now I'd look at a long range model 3.

Given your drive profile, with regualr 200 mile trips, I'm not sure an EV is right for you if I'm honest.

Agree with the above.

Just to reprise the figures from the video.
Started his journey to London 100% charge range 244miles.
Journey 73.7 miles one way
At one point on return journey he had done 121 miles and range was showing as 79 miles left. That starts to make the 200 mile commute look dodgy.
Gets home, 158.4 miles covered, 35 miles left.
Later goes 17 miles out, 17 miles back. Gets back just, all heating and systems have shutdown long ago, fastest it will travel is just over 20mph, manages to stagger into the garage and reach the charger.
That all means the 200 mile commute is a non starter.

Plug in hybrid imo.

[dmsims]

Or buy an EV for half the price that will do 250+ miles!

[bertie]

dmsims said:

Or buy an EV for half the price that will do 250+ miles!

Such as?

[SWoll]

bertie said:

dmsims said:

Or buy an EV for half the price that will do 250+ miles!

Such as?

Well the Kia E-Niro EV did manage 255 miles in that Carwow range test video, and costs around £35k.

Not something I'd be interested in personally but does fit the description given?

FiF said:

Agree with the above.

Just to reprise the figures from the video.
Started his journey to London 100% charge range 244miles.
Journey 73.7 miles one way
At one point on return journey he had done 121 miles and range was showing as 79 miles left. That starts to make the 200 mile commute look dodgy.
Gets home, 158.4 miles covered, 35 miles left.
Later goes 17 miles out, 17 miles back. Gets back just, all heating and systems have shutdown long ago, fastest it will travel is just over 20mph, manages to stagger into the garage and reach the charger.
That all means the 200 mile commute is a non starter.

Plug in hybrid imo.

Or the Kia EV as above, or a Model 3 LR/P. iPace and E-Tron not known for great range or efficiency.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 22 January 19:48

[RobDickinson]

85Carrera said:

I think he’s spot on, in how he uses the car, limiting it to the range and charging at home.

How long does a Tesla take to fast charge because I wouldn’t want to add 45-60 mins to a 4 hour trip because it needed a top up and then to be limited to going to where I could charge it so I could get home again!

4 hour trip in a longer range tesla probably wouldnt need to charge, but they can all charge at at least 120kw (base supercharger speeds), most at 150kw+ and some at 250kw ( v3 supercharger only 1 so far in UK) - or 200kw on 3rd party chargers like ionity


Model 3 takes about 20min 10-80% on v3

[ds666]

RobDickinson said:

85Carrera said:

I think he’s spot on, in how he uses the car, limiting it to the range and charging at home.

How long does a Tesla take to fast charge because I wouldn’t want to add 45-60 mins to a 4 hour trip because it needed a top up and then to be limited to going to where I could charge it so I could get home again!

4 hour trip in a longer range tesla probably wouldnt need to charge, but they can all charge at at least 120kw (base supercharger speeds), most at 150kw+ and some at 250kw ( v3 supercharger only 1 so far in UK) - or 200kw on 3rd party chargers like ionity


Model 3 takes about 20min 10-80% on v3

4 hours at what speed ??

[FiF]

SWoll said:

bertie said:

dmsims said:

Or buy an EV for half the price that will do 250+ miles!

Such as?

Well the Kia E-Niro EV did manage 255 miles in that Carwow range test video, and costs around £35k.

Not something I'd be interested in personally but does fit the description given?

FiF said:

Agree with the above.

Just to reprise the figures from the video.
Started his journey to London 100% charge range 244miles.
Journey 73.7 miles one way
At one point on return journey he had done 121 miles and range was showing as 79 miles left. That starts to make the 200 mile commute look dodgy.
Gets home, 158.4 miles covered, 35 miles left.
Later goes 17 miles out, 17 miles back. Gets back just, all heating and systems have shutdown long ago, fastest it will travel is just over 20mph, manages to stagger into the garage and reach the charger.
That all means the 200 mile commute is a non starter.

Plug in hybrid imo.

Or the Kia EV as above, or a Model 3 LR/P. iPace and E-Tron not known for great range or efficiency.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 22 January 19:48

I think if someone is considering an iPace they are not going to be interested in a Niro.
Model 3 is a possibility, neighbour has one, build and finish is dire tbh. Maybe in typical, who knows, though Andrew English motoring guy in Telegraph is v critical of Tesla finish etc.

Each to their own but until charging network gets sorted then for us an EV is only going to be a second run around vehicle. Plenty of choices

[RobDickinson]

ds666 said:

RobDickinson said:

85Carrera said:

I think he’s spot on, in how he uses the car, limiting it to the range and charging at home.

How long does a Tesla take to fast charge because I wouldn’t want to add 45-60 mins to a 4 hour trip because it needed a top up and then to be limited to going to where I could charge it so I could get home again!

4 hour trip in a longer range tesla probably wouldnt need to charge, but they can all charge at at least 120kw (base supercharger speeds), most at 150kw+ and some at 250kw ( v3 supercharger only 1 so far in UK) - or 200kw on 3rd party chargers like ionity


Model 3 takes about 20min 10-80% on v3

4 hours at what speed ??

well it depends on the driver but 4 hours at UK speed limit is 280 miles, not so easy to average that most times I guess.

[granada203028]

Kia e Niro 64KWh

[bertie]

SWoll said:

Or the Kia EV as above, or a Model 3 LR/P. iPace and E-Tron not known for great range or efficiency.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 22 January 19:48

It might be great, and call me a badge snob but.... Kia

[dmsims]

bertie said:

It might be great, and call me a badge snob but.... Kia

JLR make the chavviest cars known to man ......