Just picked up my I Pace
Discussion
Witchfinder said:
The E-Tron is very nice, especially inside. It has absolutely laughable efficiency though. It barely manages a 75mpg equivalent.
I personally prefer the more modern design of the I Pace, I find the Audi rather boring and generic looking, but in terms of efficiency, is it that much different really?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blqZ_rZ7WFI
All these large BEV cars seem much of a muchness, and I think that's going to be the challenge for manufacturers in the future.
The drivetrains are all pretty similar so there needs to be something else to differentiate them
RobDickinson said:
It's a combo of smaller usable battery and poorer aerodynamics.
I think the ipace has 82kwh available out of the 90.
Its normal to have some buffer the model 3 has 80kwh pack with 75 available. Imo if they advertise pack size it should be the available power (like Hyundai Kia do) rather than total like Nissan audi etc
So do you know the actual usable capacity it the Tesla S 90 , Audi and I Pace? I think the ipace has 82kwh available out of the 90.
Its normal to have some buffer the model 3 has 80kwh pack with 75 available. Imo if they advertise pack size it should be the available power (like Hyundai Kia do) rather than total like Nissan audi etc
I Pace is 82kwh
I've just recieved a recall notice for a "non compliance related braking recall"
Basicly if the regen braking fails then it takes too long, 1.5 seconds, for the friction braking to kick in "with a risk the stopping distance in unxepectedly extended."
I've booked that one in fairly quickly as I dont fancy having no or next to no brakes for 1.5 seconds!
Got to get it back to the dealers and hang around for an hour as not able to do it OTA...bit crap.
https://insideevs.com/news/353679/jaguar-i-pace-re...
Basicly if the regen braking fails then it takes too long, 1.5 seconds, for the friction braking to kick in "with a risk the stopping distance in unxepectedly extended."
I've booked that one in fairly quickly as I dont fancy having no or next to no brakes for 1.5 seconds!
Got to get it back to the dealers and hang around for an hour as not able to do it OTA...bit crap.
https://insideevs.com/news/353679/jaguar-i-pace-re...
Edited by bertie on Monday 10th June 12:33
Smiljan said:
You need to read the recall letter again, regs allow 1 sec for the friction braking to reach 75% of the drivers braking request if the in use regen braking fails completely. On the i-pace it can take up to 1.5 seconds to achieve 75%.
It does not mean there are no brakes for 1.5 seconds. Anyway back to Tesla and its current woes, just how are those June UK deliveries going? Any arrived yet
I read it, which is why I said “no or next to no brakes”It does not mean there are no brakes for 1.5 seconds. Anyway back to Tesla and its current woes, just how are those June UK deliveries going? Any arrived yet
I still don’t fancy it.
Car back from recall.
Interestingly they seem to have reset the consumption so it's now showing a full range of 255 miles.
Talking to the guys at the dealers, during PDI they were doing a battery drain down test on the first cars that came through to feed back info to JLR.
So I guess that means it's sat not moving but being drained and that thus influences the range calcualtion which is why it's always seemed so pessimistic.
Hopefully now it'll average out from normal driving and give a more realistic calculated range.
Interestingly they seem to have reset the consumption so it's now showing a full range of 255 miles.
Talking to the guys at the dealers, during PDI they were doing a battery drain down test on the first cars that came through to feed back info to JLR.
So I guess that means it's sat not moving but being drained and that thus influences the range calcualtion which is why it's always seemed so pessimistic.
Hopefully now it'll average out from normal driving and give a more realistic calculated range.
Triumph Trollomite said:
Will be having a watch of this, have just requested an extended test drive in an S spec (have my quote saved for SE with a few extras), will then be doing a repeat exercise in an etron (again base spec). Using base specs to determine if, for a company run around, i dont need to fork out on items I'll never see once the car get handed back.
Does anyone know the current build time for the I Pace? I wont be accepting one out of stock as it will save circa 800 on BIK between now and April.
The charger network in the UK is poor it seems but my current assignment has chargers on site, for our Euro trip coming in August I'm confident in the network between Calais and Florence (though Italy appears to be less covered)
I can perhaps give you some insight into Jagaur vs Audi...Does anyone know the current build time for the I Pace? I wont be accepting one out of stock as it will save circa 800 on BIK between now and April.
The charger network in the UK is poor it seems but my current assignment has chargers on site, for our Euro trip coming in August I'm confident in the network between Calais and Florence (though Italy appears to be less covered)
Myself and my colleague used to both have Tesla Model S, we both swapped at the same time, me for the Jagaur I Pace and him for an Audi eTron.
My summary having spent a fair ammount of time in both...
Jagaur is a more dynamic drive, slightly quicker and with better range.
Audi is bigger, softer and comfier, but better infotainment.
Contrary to the generl consensus, my I Pace has yet to have a fualt, his Audi has been back 3 times for faults, and is currently with Audi dealer awaitng a new virtual mirror unit.
Triumph Trollomite said:
Ordinarily performance would be something to decide the issue, but here, it is about a 3 year prospect with a car to cover a lot of miles and for that the Jag is winning out as the thing I keep looking at. The etron, whilst I will test it, just feels so very very bland in comparison.
Jaguar range is circa 25 miles better too If I was looking again now, I’d take a good look at a Tesla Model 3 long range
SWoll said:
Triumph Trollomite said:
SWoll said:
Triumph Trollomite said:
Ordinarily performance would be something to decide the issue, but here, it is about a 3 year prospect with a car to cover a lot of miles and for that the Jag is winning out as the thing I keep looking at. The etron, whilst I will test it, just feels so very very bland in comparison.
You say a lot of miles. What kind of regular usage are you expecting? Yes, EV will mean more time charging but I can charge at home and the office - the BIK makes the difference.
The roadside charging stations are not manufactured or tested with the same rigour as the automotive world is subject to.
So there are situations out there where certain charge stations will fail to communicate with certian cars due to communications timing tolerances.
Add in the fact that some of the charge stations are simply unreliable and making a trip needs some planning.
I changed from the Tesla as I'd had it 2 1/2 years and my company car was due for a change.
The Jagual and the Audi are far better screwed together than the Tesla was, however the drivetrain and battery tech in the Tesla is still better despite being older.
I did find my model S just too wide for the UK, hence my comment if I were looking now I'd look at a long range model 3.
Given your drive profile, with regualr 200 mile trips, I'm not sure an EV is right for you if I'm honest.
Triumph Trollomite said:
Guys thank you for the comments regarding range. I had applied the logic that constant speed on motorways must be a bonus but it appears this is the main issue for them. I'm still going to do the trial but reading up on the charging situation, I am going to go back and take a look at Tesla too - perhaps after 3 years the charger netwrok in the UK will be better but it seems you can hardly never find a tesla charge point.
I pace is still the forerunner
The Tesla supercharger network is superb, and the model for how it should be.I pace is still the forerunner
The standard network is chaos, I've got a page full of apps on my phone dedicated to EV charging.
Open up ZapMap...Once you filter down to 50kw CCS points which is what you need as a minimum realy, you then have to factor in it's 50/50 whether the charge point is working, you have the correct membership signed up and it is actualy compatible to comminucate with your car. So you'd better have a backup plan.
In terms of real world range, this video they drive them all until they stop, at constand 70mph up the M1..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc
If you dont want to watch it all the results were...
Mercedes EQC - 194 miles
Audi Etron - 206 miles
Nissan Leaf - 208 miles
Jaguar I Pace - 223 miles
Kia E-Niro - 255 miles
Tesla Model 3 LR - 270 miles
I am a huge advocate of BEVs, I've had 2 and wouldnt be without one, for a daily I love the way they drive.
However given your drive profile, I'm just not sure one is right for you.
Terminator X said:
Chap near me has one and it makes a strange humming sound when moving slowly ... is that "natural" or added at slow speeds to avoid silence?
TX.
Are wa talking I pace?TX.
There is a slight hum from the various fans and pumps that of course you never hear in an IC car because of the clanking diesel, and they beep in reverse to alert pedestrians.
kambites said:
The noise is artificially created below 20kph by a system called AVAS (Audible Vehicle Alert System).
I believe it's a legal requirement for new EV models to make a certain amount of noise at low speed. Jaguar didn't strictly need it because the iPace was released before the law came in, but they decided to add it anyway.
My ipace doesn’t? I believe it's a legal requirement for new EV models to make a certain amount of noise at low speed. Jaguar didn't strictly need it because the iPace was released before the law came in, but they decided to add it anyway.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 23 January 12:04
Maybe I just have it switched off in one of the confusing sub menus I’ll never find again
Triumph Trollomite said:
Bit of an update/change of heart.
After checking back, I looked at the Tesla3 and with the longer range of the performance and the wider availability of chargers, I placed my order.
I'm sure it wont be a patch on the Jag but until I understand the charger infrastructure better or the services mature, I decided to take the cheaper and supposedly safer option (for chargers)
Have you test driven either of them?After checking back, I looked at the Tesla3 and with the longer range of the performance and the wider availability of chargers, I placed my order.
I'm sure it wont be a patch on the Jag but until I understand the charger infrastructure better or the services mature, I decided to take the cheaper and supposedly safer option (for chargers)
On Model 3 you don’t get free supercharger use so you need to tick that option
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