Audi e-Tron vs. Jaguar I-Pace

[granada203028]

I thought "fast" charging shortens the life of the battery? My 2012 Leaf manual says this.

Do manufactures now say this isn't the case? Regular long distances with repeated fast charging is fully OK?

Consumer lithium ion powered devices tend to charge in 3 hours. We don't generally fast charge devices unless anyone knows of examples?

[MaxSo]

dmsims said:

The I-pace is dreadful

and how many 100kw+ chargers are there ? (in the UK)

This is the thing - right now, there are hardly any, as I understand it - so for the next year or two or three (which is probably the length of time most people buying or leasing from new will keep the car) it probably doesn't really matter. It's just possibly something to think about if you are buying new and intending to keep for a decent amount of time, and your usage means you'd benefit from ultra rapid charging that is actually ultra rapid throughout the majority of the battery.

I guess it may also be something that Jaguar will alter via software updates over time - they may just be being conservative for now until they get real world data on how the battery copes.

Edited by MaxSo on Saturday 20th April 10:56

[dmsims]

So every time you want to charge the I-pace (on a long journey) you have to stop for 2+ hours - nuts

[jjwilde]

granada203028 said:

I thought "fast" charging shortens the life of the battery? My 2012 Leaf manual says this.

Do manufactures now say this isn't the case? Regular long distances with repeated fast charging is fully OK?

Consumer lithium ion powered devices tend to charge in 3 hours. We don't generally fast charge devices unless anyone knows of examples?

They used to think that but the batteries now take care of themselves and will throttle down the charging if they get too hot. Just let the car take care of itself.

[onedsla]

I've had an I-Pace S for a month now on the 'cheap' lease deal. It replaced a Leaf 30 and IMO is worth double the cost.

We have a C63 for 'long range' motoring, and there's only one journey (NW UK to Paris) in 5+ years where the Jaguar would have been an inconvenience vs ICE.

After driving the I-Pace, the C63 throttle feels 'slushy' whilst with the dual motor / 4WD, launch off the line makes me feel borderline sick. It's more than enough performance for the road, and very accessible.

[anonymous-user]

onedsla said:

I've had an I-Pace S for a month now on the 'cheap' lease deal. It replaced a Leaf 30 and IMO is worth double the cost.

We have a C63 for 'long range' motoring, and there's only one journey (NW UK to Paris) in 5+ years where the Jaguar would have been an inconvenience vs ICE.

After driving the I-Pace, the C63 throttle feels 'slushy' whilst with the dual motor / 4WD, launch off the line makes me feel borderline sick. It's more than enough performance for the road, and very accessible.

You keep a C63 for one journey every 5 years? Wouldn’t it be cheaper to rent?

[SWoll]

onedsla said:

I've had an I-Pace S for a month now on the 'cheap' lease deal. It replaced a Leaf 30 and IMO is worth double the cost.

We have a C63 for 'long range' motoring, and there's only one journey (NW UK to Paris) in 5+ years where the Jaguar would have been an inconvenience vs ICE.

After driving the I-Pace, the C63 throttle feels 'slushy' whilst with the dual motor / 4WD, launch off the line makes me feel borderline sick. It's more than enough performance for the road, and very accessible.

Good to hear and can't wait to get my hands on one shortly. Out of interest what sort of range are you getting from a full charge and with what kind of driving?

[Witchfinder]

REALIST123 said:

You keep a C63 for one journey every 5 years? Wouldn’t it be cheaper to rent?

I was just thinking that. It's hardly "long range" too, that thing must drink super like a Scotsman at a free bar. Surely it'd be better to have a diesel C-Class for the long distance stuff?

[MrwReckless]

REALIST123 said:

onedsla said:

I've had an I-Pace S for a month now on the 'cheap' lease deal. It replaced a Leaf 30 and IMO is worth double the cost.

We have a C63 for 'long range' motoring, and there's only one journey (NW UK to Paris) in 5+ years where the Jaguar would have been an inconvenience vs ICE.

After driving the I-Pace, the C63 throttle feels 'slushy' whilst with the dual motor / 4WD, launch off the line makes me feel borderline sick. It's more than enough performance for the road, and very accessible.

You keep a C63 for one journey every 5 years? Wouldn’t it be cheaper to rent?

I read it differently. That in the last 5+ years (irrespective of which ICE cars were owned in that time) there was only 1 journey that was undertaken during that time that would have been unsuitable for the Jaguars range.

Regards

[anonymous-user]

MrwReckless said:

REALIST123 said:

onedsla said:

I've had an I-Pace S for a month now on the 'cheap' lease deal. It replaced a Leaf 30 and IMO is worth double the cost.

We have a C63 for 'long range' motoring, and there's only one journey (NW UK to Paris) in 5+ years where the Jaguar would have been an inconvenience vs ICE.

After driving the I-Pace, the C63 throttle feels 'slushy' whilst with the dual motor / 4WD, launch off the line makes me feel borderline sick. It's more than enough performance for the road, and very accessible.

You keep a C63 for one journey every 5 years? Wouldn’t it be cheaper to rent?

I read it differently. That in the last 5+ years (irrespective of which ICE cars were owned in that time) there was only 1 journey that was undertaken during that time that would have been unsuitable for the Jaguars range.

Regards

Exactly. So why keep the C63?

Rent a car for the once in 5 year journey and use the Jaguar for the rest.

[onedsla]

REALIST123 said:

Exactly. So why keep the C63?

Rent a car for the once in 5 year journey and use the Jaguar for the rest.

We 'need' two cars in the household. When it comes to replacing the C63, I'd certainly consider another I-Pace or similar.

The C63 only gets out for about 3k miles per year, so 20mpg is not a problem whilst depreciation and maintenance are quite low given the performance. I don't need the performance and a C220d would be more than adequate, but if I thought like that then I wouldn't have been a pistonheads member for the past 16 years.

For range, I was quite disappointed with our first long journey in the I-Pace. Took a drive into North Wales, 94 miles, averaging 45mph (lots of 70mph dual carriageway) and it turned around 37.30 kWh / 100mi. A 75 mile return journey at 55mph average was 39.9 kWh/100 miles. Weather about 10C in both cases and used climate control (didn't know how to turn it off at the time). I've read that there's 84kWh usable battery, so wouldn't count on managing more than 200 miles outside of urban areas. Would have been touch & go whether I'd have made it back on one charge.

A 5 mile urban commute, averaging 18mph in the recent 20C+ weather uses less juice, 26 kWh per 100 miles is typical, which would mean 300 miles is achievable.

Jaguar added a mileage calculator on their website that seems realistic: https://www.jaguar.co.uk/jaguar-range/i-pace/elect...

To add, in 4 years of Leaf ownership, I'd only ever used a public charger twice - both at Ikea and only because it was the only available parking spot (and the electricity happened to be free at the time). I'd actively avoid using the Leaf where range would be an issue. With the I-Pace I'd be far more relaxed about going for a longer drive. With 2 young kids, we'd be stopping every 2 hours or so anyway, and would have enough range to go past a couple of in use or broken public chargers prior to panic.

Edited by onedsla on Wednesday 24th April 15:23

[gangzoom]

onedsla said:

Took a drive into North Wales, 94 miles, averaging 45mph (lots of 70mph dual carriageway) and it turned around 37.30 kWh / 100mi. A 75 mile return journey at 55mph average was 39.9 kWh/100 miles.....

A 5 mile urban commute, averaging 18mph in the recent 20C+ weather uses less juice, 26 kWh per 100 miles is typical, which would mean 300 miles is achievable.

Quite interesting, and almost the exact opposite of what I find in the X.

Unlike the Leaf even pottering around in town I struggle to get the consumption below 380Wh/mile, which would translate to a range of sub 180 miles. But once out on a flowing road, at a true 70mph as measured by distance/time covered returns a consumption of around 330Wh/mile giving a range of over 210 miles.

The X is the only car of any kind I've driven where urban crawling gives worse consumption than higher speed cruising, which is essentially what the EPA rating show - Tesla been the only car with a higher 'Highway eMPG' than Urban.

I suspect the newly uprated motors in the S/X will bring the S/X onto the same trend as other EVs, including the 3 with better urban consumption than highway. Bizzar, still don't understand it.

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

The X is the only car of any kind I've driven where urban crawling gives worse consumption than higher speed cruising, which is essentially what the EPA rating show - Tesla been the only car with a higher 'Highway eMPG' than Urban.

Are you sure? Every car I’ve got returns better mileage on the open road. That’s quite normal.

[soggybiscuit]

dmsims said:

The I-pace is dreadful

and how many 100kw+ chargers are there ? (in the UK)

No it isn’t.

[Witchfinder]

The newly updated Model X puts the range of the I-Pace and E-Tron into perspective. 100kWh battery with 315 miles of range. Okay, it's marginally more expensive than the Audi (and quite a bit more than the I-Pace). Apart from aerodynamics, what are the legacy manufacturers doing wrong?

[dmsims]

soggybiscuit said:

dmsims said:

The I-pace is dreadful

and how many 100kw+ chargers are there ? (in the UK)

No it isn’t.

So you think this is good?

[SWoll]

Witchfinder said:

The newly updated Model X puts the range of the I-Pace and E-Tron into perspective. 100kWh battery with 315 miles of range. Okay, it's marginally more expensive than the Audi (and quite a bit more than the I-Pace). Apart from aerodynamics, what are the legacy manufacturers doing wrong?

I'd guess a mixture of less evolved battery/motor tech and ancillary systems that weren't designed specifically to work with the EV powertrain unlike Tesla which were from the start?

With everything turned off (and I mean everything) TG managed to get 291 miles out of the i-Pace at max charge (85kw) averaging about 50mph.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/tgs-big-...

That charge rate above on the 100kw is poor though, can't believe how quickly it drops off in comparison to the E-Tron.

[soggybiscuit]

As a car it’s amazing.

Most (if not all) my charging will be done at home so the current charge rates don’t bother me really.

[oop north]

soggybiscuit said:

As a car it’s amazing.

Most (if not all) my charging will be done at home so the current charge rates don’t bother me really.

Same here - my iPace is arriving Monday. I won’t be doing many journeys over 200 miles - though I do kind of need IONITY to get their chargers up and running at Gretna Green given my daughter’s impending travel to university in Edinburgh (200 miles) or Dundee (250 miles)

[Gio G]

I had an e-Tron for the day a few weeks back, wrote in the EV section. I actually quite enjoyed it. It was just like a luxury Audi SUV, but electric. Not much more to say other than it was quiet and very comfy, fantastic new Audi dash/cockpit which looked amazing. The torque is a little mind blowing when you press on. Cannot say anything negative as it felt like Audi have been making these for years.. I was however quite happy to jump back into my RS5 after..

G