Discussion
ZesPak said:
I think it doesn't need to look different for the sake of looking different. Tesla have been called out for making their cars look too "dull". Their initial Model S even had a "grille" like plastic in front, as people would have found it too different not having a grill. Imho the facelift without it looks a lot better.
The new grille-less front is nice from some angles, from others is looks like a Ford KA.The Model S is a typical American barge style, very large by comparison to most European cars. It's got that very smooth, rounded look at the front that was popular in the 90s. The whole thing is designed to have very low drag for efficiency, which is also why it's so low.
The Model 3 is the same really, smaller but still compromised by having to be efficient. Compare it with the e-Niro or Kona for example. They cost a lot less but have bigger batteries, so end up getting better range than the Model 3 SR while being much taller and more comfortable. Tesla couldn't get the manufacturing cost of the Model 3 down to the level they wanted so had to go with a smaller battery, forcing the car to put efficiency over function.
aestetix1 said:
The new grille-less front is nice from some angles, from others is looks like a Ford KA.
The Model S is a typical American barge style, very large by comparison to most European cars. It's got that very smooth, rounded look at the front that was popular in the 90s. The whole thing is designed to have very low drag for efficiency, which is also why it's so low.
The Model 3 is the same really, smaller but still compromised by having to be efficient. Compare it with the e-Niro or Kona for example. They cost a lot less but have bigger batteries, so end up getting better range than the Model 3 SR while being much taller and more comfortable. Tesla couldn't get the manufacturing cost of the Model 3 down to the level they wanted so had to go with a smaller battery, forcing the car to put efficiency over function.
I think the term you are looking for is "Jelly mould". Its amazing what a well positioned crease or fold can do to change the look, break up the curves and I believe add strength, but I think they are a little more complex to make. The Model S is a typical American barge style, very large by comparison to most European cars. It's got that very smooth, rounded look at the front that was popular in the 90s. The whole thing is designed to have very low drag for efficiency, which is also why it's so low.
The Model 3 is the same really, smaller but still compromised by having to be efficient. Compare it with the e-Niro or Kona for example. They cost a lot less but have bigger batteries, so end up getting better range than the Model 3 SR while being much taller and more comfortable. Tesla couldn't get the manufacturing cost of the Model 3 down to the level they wanted so had to go with a smaller battery, forcing the car to put efficiency over function.
aestetix1 said:
The new grille-less front is nice from some angles, from others is looks like a Ford KA.
The Model S is a typical American barge style, very large by comparison to most European cars. It's got that very smooth, rounded look at the front that was popular in the 90s. The whole thing is designed to have very low drag for efficiency, which is also why it's so low.
The Model 3 is the same really, smaller but still compromised by having to be efficient. Compare it with the e-Niro or Kona for example. They cost a lot less but have bigger batteries, so end up getting better range than the Model 3 SR while being much taller and more comfortable. Tesla couldn't get the manufacturing cost of the Model 3 down to the level they wanted so had to go with a smaller battery, forcing the car to put efficiency over function.
There's a tear down on youtube showing all the different internal and external panels that make up a Tesla.The Model S is a typical American barge style, very large by comparison to most European cars. It's got that very smooth, rounded look at the front that was popular in the 90s. The whole thing is designed to have very low drag for efficiency, which is also why it's so low.
The Model 3 is the same really, smaller but still compromised by having to be efficient. Compare it with the e-Niro or Kona for example. They cost a lot less but have bigger batteries, so end up getting better range than the Model 3 SR while being much taller and more comfortable. Tesla couldn't get the manufacturing cost of the Model 3 down to the level they wanted so had to go with a smaller battery, forcing the car to put efficiency over function.
There would be a significant reduction if made by the Toyotas/VWs of this world but bear in mind this is their first range to market.
.I'm taking delivery of mine tomorrow but am struggling with insurer's tracker insistence, and I doubt it's easy to get one fitted immediately in the current situation.
My insurer has said they include, for this purpose, any manufacturer's built-in functionality (e.g. via an app) to determine the vehicles location.
Can anyone with an e-tron let me know whether this is provided?
My insurer has said they include, for this purpose, any manufacturer's built-in functionality (e.g. via an app) to determine the vehicles location.
Can anyone with an e-tron let me know whether this is provided?
Looks good and it would be interesting to get your views after you've had it for a while.
A pet hate is (professional) reviewers complaining about controls when they've simply not learnt and got used to them. Its only after you've lived with a car for a while and the new car honeymoon period is over do you really start to understand it.
A pet hate is (professional) reviewers complaining about controls when they've simply not learnt and got used to them. Its only after you've lived with a car for a while and the new car honeymoon period is over do you really start to understand it.
DrJFoster said:
A pet hate is (professional) reviewers complaining about controls when they've simply not learnt and got used to them. Its only after you've lived with a car for a while and the new car honeymoon period is over do you really start to understand it.
. This is really annoying. "setting the mirrors should be easier" as a struggling point. Of course, they get in and out of cars for a job, part of getting in for them is setting the seat and mirrors. I can't really remember the last time I had to do that. There’s a lot to get to grips with control-wise but so far from a driving perspective it’s a lot better than I expected - very smooth and relaxed at NSL speeds, it both turns and rides better than expected and also the re-couperation / regen braking system works very seamlessly. I expected an absolute pudding due to the weight but it’s really quite pleasant to drive. Interior is very nice and refined. Dimensions aren’t as great as I expected either, it doesn’t feel any larger than my F10 M5. Really liking it - much more than expected.
Things like adjusting the virtual wing mirror field of view of course aren’t that obvious at first but once you know how it’s a a doddle and it’s obviously memorised along with seat position so not like you have to do this all the time.
Things like adjusting the virtual wing mirror field of view of course aren’t that obvious at first but once you know how it’s a a doddle and it’s obviously memorised along with seat position so not like you have to do this all the time.
Edited by theboss on Saturday 23 May 17:48
ZesPak said:
. This is really annoying. "setting the mirrors should be easier" as a struggling point. Of course, they get in and out of cars for a job, part of getting in for them is setting the seat and mirrors. I can't really remember the last time I had to do that. James_P said:
Looks lovely. So frustrating, mine is sitting at an Audi dealer who are closed. No idea when they plan to open either
I understand that dealers can open more fully from June 1st. ‘Car Dealer magazine stated: "As non-essential retailers, car dealers are likely to be treated as part of a first wave of shops allowed to reopen from June 1 – if they can prove they can keep safe."
The Government has however, confirmed that car dealers can continue to sell cars remotely and deliver them while following social distancing guidelines.’
aestetix1 said:
If you share the car with your partner it happens a lot, unless the car has memory mirrors.
The cars these complaints pop up in is because they have electronic interfaces for them (Tesla, Etron). They also have memory. I've got the pleasure of a 6' wife, so never had an issue
REALIST123 said:
I understand that dealers can open more fully from June 1st.
‘Car Dealer magazine stated: "As non-essential retailers, car dealers are likely to be treated as part of a first wave of shops allowed to reopen from June 1 – if they can prove they can keep safe."
The Government has however, confirmed that car dealers can continue to sell cars remotely and deliver them while following social distancing guidelines.’
Sytners are open for after sales with car sales set to open next week. ‘Car Dealer magazine stated: "As non-essential retailers, car dealers are likely to be treated as part of a first wave of shops allowed to reopen from June 1 – if they can prove they can keep safe."
The Government has however, confirmed that car dealers can continue to sell cars remotely and deliver them while following social distancing guidelines.’
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