Polestar 2

[8bit]

TheRainMaker said:

Just to show you how good they can be, watch this:

Very impressive, although getting through 35% battery per lap is going to make for a fairly short track day!

[greggy50]

James6112 said:

Been thinking about these for a while now..

Through salary sacrifice , the standard car 200kw, 69kwh, single motor. 322 miles range in the ideal world! Magnesium colour (free)
£470 a month , 48months/40k miles
Incl insurance/tyres/maint/etc

Nothing to pay if I get made redundant (which i’m hoping for in a few years!)

Free Ohme charger if ordered this month

Range not a problem, wife has a phev if we need it

Home tariff 8p 5 hours overnight

Free 4 hours charging if I should go to office (couple of times a month)

Sounds ok?

The updated Tesla 3 is cheaper on p11d quote
Same miles/duration etc
But over £100 a month more expensive to lease
Why’s that?

Edited by James6112 on Monday 18th December 16:13

Higher depreciation potentially.

The Model 3 is st compared to a Polestar anyway (had both) in my opinion. The main benefit of the Model 3 was better range and the Polestar facelift has all but negated that.

It would be worth getting the LR with the Plus pack if it isn't miles more expensive.

£470pm sounds a lot for a standard car via SS if you are in the 40% bracket however?

[SDK]

James6112 said:

The updated Tesla 3 is cheaper on p11d quote
Same miles/duration etc
But over £100 a month more expensive to lease
Why’s that?

The car P11d value has less influence on the Salary Sacrifice price.
Insurance & maintenance costs and the manufacturer deals impact price more.

e.g. Currently my BMW iX (£75k) plus £5k of options, is cheaper on salary sacrifice than a Tesla M3 LR costing £50k

I guess prices are high currently due to the massive depreciation being factored into the price.

Edited by SDK on Monday 18th December 16:55

[James6112]

greggy50 said:

James6112 said:

Been thinking about these for a while now..

Through salary sacrifice , the standard car 200kw, 69kwh, single motor. 322 miles range in the ideal world! Magnesium colour (free)
£470 a month , 48months/40k miles
Incl insurance/tyres/maint/etc

Nothing to pay if I get made redundant (which i’m hoping for in a few years!)

Free Ohme charger if ordered this month

Range not a problem, wife has a phev if we need it

Home tariff 8p 5 hours overnight

Free 4 hours charging if I should go to office (couple of times a month)

Sounds ok?

The updated Tesla 3 is cheaper on p11d quote
Same miles/duration etc
But over £100 a month more expensive to lease
Why’s that?

Edited by James6112 on Monday 18th December 16:13

Higher depreciation potentially.

The Model 3 is st compared to a Polestar anyway (had both) in my opinion. The main benefit of the Model 3 was better range and the Polestar facelift has all but negated that.

It would be worth getting the LR with the Plus pack if it isn't miles more expensive.

£470pm sounds a lot for a standard car via SS if you are in the 40% bracket however?

Thanks both

The Long Range Plus
Same colour etc
Comes in @ £549
40% tax payer, rubbish scheme compared to some
Is the LR plus worth £80 more a month?!!

[CheesecakeRunner]

I’ve just today taken delivery of a 2024 Long Range Single Motor, Pilot & Plus in Midnight which is costing me £605 net over 48 months and 15k miles per year (45k total) for a 40%er.

[John87]

James6112 said:

greggy50 said:

James6112 said:

Been thinking about these for a while now..

Through salary sacrifice , the standard car 200kw, 69kwh, single motor. 322 miles range in the ideal world! Magnesium colour (free)
£470 a month , 48months/40k miles
Incl insurance/tyres/maint/etc

Nothing to pay if I get made redundant (which i’m hoping for in a few years!)

Free Ohme charger if ordered this month

Range not a problem, wife has a phev if we need it

Home tariff 8p 5 hours overnight

Free 4 hours charging if I should go to office (couple of times a month)

Sounds ok?

The updated Tesla 3 is cheaper on p11d quote
Same miles/duration etc
But over £100 a month more expensive to lease
Why’s that?

Edited by James6112 on Monday 18th December 16:13

Higher depreciation potentially.

The Model 3 is st compared to a Polestar anyway (had both) in my opinion. The main benefit of the Model 3 was better range and the Polestar facelift has all but negated that.

It would be worth getting the LR with the Plus pack if it isn't miles more expensive.

£470pm sounds a lot for a standard car via SS if you are in the 40% bracket however?

Thanks both

The Long Range Plus
Same colour etc
Comes in @ £549
40% tax payer, rubbish scheme compared to some
Is the LR plus worth £80 more a month?!!

It's all down to personal preference but I think the plus pack makes the car feel much more premium. It has changed for MY24 and includes some things which are standard on earlier models. My thoughts on what is included:

Harman kardon sound- I'm not an audiophile by any means but it sounds better than standard
Panoramic roof- really opens up the interior which can feel quite cramped
Weavetech seats- can be a bit sweaty in hot weather but easy to clean and stay looking good
Tinted rear window- not a deal-breaker as cheap to do if you want it
Interior lighting - I always have the interior lights down fairly low anyway as I find it distracting
Heat pump- should improve range slightly in colder weather
Full electric seats- great if you share the car. It automatically adjusts to the correct setting for whatever key opens the drivers door
Heated steering wheel, rear seats and wiper nozzles- first and last are a must for me in Scotland. I have child seats so never used the heated rears
Air quality sensor- no idea what difference this makes. Maybe more useful in a polluted city
Power tailgate- brilliant. Ideal with full hands and also as the rear of the car attracts a huge amount of filth, it keeps hands clean
Boot divider-love it and use it all the time. Saves shopping falling over and rolling around and you can strap things to it too.

FWIW for my 2023 with all packs in magnesium, I pay around £585 as a 42% taxpayer (edit I also pay 12% national insurance and 9% student loan which will bring it down)

Edited by John87 on Monday 18th December 18:32

[LocoBlade]

greggy50 said:

My Polestar 2 kept a new shape M340i honest up until the limiter and that was prior to me adding the performance software when I did have it. I suspect this EQC would struggle to keep up with a 330d after 60/70.

How much of a difference did the performance software make, was it worth the spend? Also did it affect the range at all, I read somewhere that it might actually improve range slightly but seems unlikely?

[ajap1979]

James6112 said:

Thanks both

The Long Range Plus
Same colour etc
Comes in @ £549
40% tax payer, rubbish scheme compared to some
Is the LR plus worth £80 more a month?!!

Personally I wouldn’t go without the stuff you get with the Plus pack. In terms of range, EV database suggests a difference of 40 miles, so only you can determine if that is worth it. On the MY that I have, the real world difference was just 30 miles, and the LR cost £3k more, which is just silly.

[Basil Brush]

ajap1979 said:

James6112 said:

Thanks both

The Long Range Plus
Same colour etc
Comes in @ £549
40% tax payer, rubbish scheme compared to some
Is the LR plus worth £80 more a month?!!

Personally I wouldn’t go without the stuff you get with the Plus pack. In terms of range, EV database suggests a difference of 40 miles, so only you can determine if that is worth it. On the MY that I have, the real world difference was just 30 miles, and the LR cost £3k more, which is just silly.

+1
I wouldn't go for one without at least the plus pack.

[dogbucket]

I chose the dual motor over the plus pack as the ppm was getting a bit silly on a lease if I didnt stop! I have driven a plus and dont feel I am really missing anything other than the HK that has a bit more bass thump. But each to their own and confirmatory bias etc..

[8bit]

dogbucket said:

I chose the dual motor over the plus pack as the ppm was getting a bit silly on a lease if I didnt stop! I have driven a plus and dont feel I am really missing anything other than the HK that has a bit more bass thump. But each to their own and confirmatory bias etc..

Depends on your use case. We wanted the memory seats/mirrors, better stereo and the panoramic roof, which were all Plus pack items when we ordered ours. I wanted dual motor but justify it as extra performance was of no interest to my wife and I have a C63 AMG for giggles already. If we routinely had worse weather than we do here in Scotland the AWD of the dual motor model would have been handy. Single Motor model isn't a patch on the DM but it's not exactly slow either.

[ajap1979]

8bit said:

dogbucket said:

I chose the dual motor over the plus pack as the ppm was getting a bit silly on a lease if I didnt stop! I have driven a plus and dont feel I am really missing anything other than the HK that has a bit more bass thump. But each to their own and confirmatory bias etc..

Depends on your use case. We wanted the memory seats/mirrors, better stereo and the panoramic roof, which were all Plus pack items when we ordered ours. I wanted dual motor but justify it as extra performance was of no interest to my wife and I have a C63 AMG for giggles already. If we routinely had worse weather than we do here in Scotland the AWD of the dual motor model would have been handy. Single Motor model isn't a patch on the DM but it's not exactly slow either.

Yeah, I must admit to rarely using the performance the single motor offers, let alone the dual. I do however think the cabin is lifted massively by the Plus pack. ETTO, but I get the benefit of the Plus pack every time I step into the car.

[andy_ran]

Insurance time for me this month - It was a real eye opener!!

Did the usual compare the markets and people like direct line - Out of the entire "compare the market" companies, only 7 firms would quote and they started at 3.2k!! Highest was 7.6k !!! Direct Line wont offer cover?!?!

WTF!!!

Anyway, managed to renew with the currently provider for £1400 - still a total faff and way to expensive. When I got the car, the first year was £350

[TheRainMaker]

andy_ran said:

Insurance time for me this month - It was a real eye opener!!

Did the usual compare the markets and people like direct line - Out of the entire "compare the market" companies, only 7 firms would quote and they started at 3.2k!! Highest was 7.6k !!! Direct Line wont offer cover?!?!

WTF!!!

Anyway, managed to renew with the currently provider for £1400 - still a total faff and way to expensive. When I got the car, the first year was £350

I was the same; very few wanted to insure the car at all; those that did were eye-watering, and also names I had never come across before.

Lucikly staying with Admiral, the cost only went up £400ish, taking it to £800.00

The crazy thing for me is my other car didn't go up at all (Vantage).

[andy_ran]

TheRainMaker said:

I was the same; very few wanted to insure the car at all; those that did were eye-watering, and also names I had never come across before.

Luckily staying with Admiral, the cost only went up £400ish, taking it to £800.00

The crazy thing for me is my other car didn't go up at all (Vantage).

I am renewing with Admiral strangely - It is however the most expensive car I have to insure by some way now. Range Rover is £700, Murcielago is £320, SL500 is £190

Everything has stayed the same this year expect the Range Rover which went up a hundred or so

[8bit]

I read something recently (probably here on PH) about EV insurance costs going through the roof due to the UK not having facilities to repair or recycle EV batteries - if there's any suspicion that the battery has been damaged due to a crash the car is immediately written off, which has sent premiums for EVs through the roof.

[LocoBlade]

I'm in the market for an early DM maybe with performance pack and I'm getting insurance quotes comparable to my M240i at around £450 - £500 on CompareTheMarket for SDP and commute with protected NCB, the cheapest being Admiral, Elephant, Diamond and oddly Ford Insure. I'm mid 40's, clean license, full NCB doing around 12k a year in Hants. However, after those few under £500 the next cheapest is around £750 so quite a jump and others like AXA, Aviva and Esure are all between £1000-£1500, odd and a bit worrying if those few at the cheaper end decide to follow suit.

[South tdf]

LocoBlade said:

I'm in the market for an early DM maybe with performance pack and I'm getting insurance quotes comparable to my M240i at around £450 - £500 on CompareTheMarket for SDP and commute with protected NCB, the cheapest being Admiral, Elephant, Diamond and oddly Ford Insure. I'm mid 40's, clean license, full NCB doing around 12k a year in Hants. However, after those few under £500 the next cheapest is around £750 so quite a jump and others like AXA, Aviva and Esure are all between £1000-£1500, odd and a bit worrying if those few at the cheaper end decide to follow suit.

I had a launch car for a couple of years and had use of a Performance Pack car but would actually go for a standard car with the power upgrade as the standard car feels much better on 19”s.

[LocoBlade]

I was worried about the Performance Pack suspension but drove one recently that was supposedly set about half way on the settings and was actually quite surprised with how supple it felt on some fairly poor road surfaces. I've yet to drive one with standard suspension but am looking at one in the week so will be good to compare. I do prefer the look of the Performance pack car though.

As an aside do you or anyone else know the latest cars that Polestar retrospectively gave a 4th year of warranty on? I believe the 2020 cars it got extended as good will for some early teething issues but I'm not sure if or how far that offer went for 2021 cars.

[Basil Brush]

LocoBlade said:

I was worried about the Performance Pack suspension but drove one recently that was supposedly set about half way on the settings and was actually quite surprised with how supple it felt on some fairly poor road surfaces. I've yet to drive one with standard suspension but am looking at one in the week so will be good to compare. I do prefer the look of the Performance pack car though.

As an aside do you or anyone else know the latest cars that Polestar retrospectively gave a 4th year of warranty on? I believe the 2020 cars it got extended as good will for some early teething issues but I'm not sure if or how far that offer went for 2021 cars.

Looking at your car history I don't think you'll have an issue with the PP suspension. I haven't backed mine off yet to try but I think on fully soft they are softer than the standard dampers, so you've got plenty of range to work with.