Polestar 2

[Kolbenkopp]

Basil Brush said:

I was only commenting based on the costs shown on the tables. Currently sorting out swapping to an ev so will know more about all this soon.

I think the ABRP prices are to be taken with a grain of salt because stuff still seems to move a lot regarding fast charging prices and their main focus is the (excellent) route planning, not cost comparisons.

Listened to a podcast with some Ionity guys a while ago. They provided a fairly convincing cost break down for a fast charger - gist of it is no one is really making any money with them, even at the high non-subscriber rates ABRP displays e.g. for Ionity. Long term that likely means either politics will have to jump in to subsidize -- or prices will have to go up (that definitely includes Tesla Superchargers).

For consumers that would suggest one needs a way to charge at home or at work and ideally a usage profile that does not rely on a lot of fast charging. Probably the case for most thinking about EVs now, but IMO, for the future, that needs addressing.

[Kolbenkopp]

RobDickinson said:

As opposed to say Herbert Diess who had VW pay a fine to avoid jail over gassing people?

No, absolutely not. She'd likely not recall Herbert's name, because he doesn't put himself in the spotlight by behaving like a total arse on social media. But she's certainly no VW fan, Dieselgate and all that.

Was very handy in convincing her that the GTI needs to go and our next daily is going to be a sensible Toyota Yaris. Bless her, she does not understand what an anti-social little machine the GR Yaris actually is .

[ZesPak]

Kolbenkopp said:

Listened to a podcast with some Ionity guys a while ago. They provided a fairly convincing cost break down for a fast charger - gist of it is no one is really making any money with them, even at the high non-subscriber rates ABRP displays e.g. for Ionity. Long term that likely means either politics will have to jump in to subsidize -- or prices will have to go up (that definitely includes Tesla Superchargers).

There is a third option that is likely though. As the technology becomes more and more common ground and they find cheaper ways to do supercharging, prices will stay the same. The upkeep on these things isn't crazy, after installation it's mainly consumption of electricity.

It's a business model often used in the tech world for Apple and consoles are a good example. Consoles are often sold at a loss when they come out (though this is also because they want to sell games and other stuff that does make money), but as these consoles have a life of >5 years nearly unaltered, eventually they do get sold at a profit. Apple's profits are fairly standard on a model just released, but they keep the same hardware well beyond any other manufacturer, having some crazy markups by the end of a product's life.

[Witchfinder]

First customer cars have just arrived at Zeebrugge...

https://www.polestar.com/uk/press/press-release/fi...

[Kolbenkopp]

Interesting news, thanks! Will be interesting to see how they set up the test drive process. And actually have a go in it . By the way -- anyone knows what the VMax is? Read 205 kph somewhere but not sure. Wondering if they fall under Volvo's 180 kph dictat...

[Witchfinder]

Polestar are exempt from the Volvo speed limit. Top speed is 127mph, which is 205kmh.

[zayn]

would prefer to see the XC40 recharge being released first, either way both should be given as soon as possible to Bjorn Nyland to review

[jason61c]

finally got a better quote in, model 3 performance is cheaper think i'll go for the Polestar 2. Just need to check if I can sell my car to we buy any car to make life easier.

[Adam1980]

What quote did you get?

[jason61c]

Adam1980 said:

What quote did you get?

full launch spec
15ka
maintained
any paint
towbar
3+35

£570 excluding vat.

Its a company lease car so it would mean 0% Bik

[kryten22uk]

jason61c said:

full launch spec
15ka
maintained
any paint
towbar
3+35

£570 excluding vat.

Its a company lease car so it would mean 0% Bik

You sure there's not better out there? First one i googled was £535 for identical setup.

[jason61c]

where at? I've only found a few that can get it down to the same sort of figure.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Fleet Prices have just sent their offer for the Polestar.

Not sure exactly which trim version of the car they are offering, but it is £392.46 + VAT on a 6+23 basis.

https://www.fleetprices.co.uk/car-leasing/polestar...

[jason61c]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Fleet Prices have just sent their offer for the Polestar.

Not sure exactly which trim version of the car they are offering, but it is £392.46 + VAT on a 6+23 basis.

https://www.fleetprices.co.uk/car-leasing/polestar...

My order goes in Monday.

3+35, 15ka, special paint, towbar, fully maintained, £580+vat, so about the same cost.

Hope its the right choice!

[EddieSteadyGo]

jason61c said:

My order goes in Monday.

3+35, 15ka, special paint, towbar, fully maintained, £580+vat, so about the same cost.

Hope its the right choice!

It is an interesting car. For a basic spec car at £400+VAT it seems much better value as a lease than a comparable Model 3.

Presumable you are buying this via a company, as on that basis it looks good value due to the tax savings?

[SWoll]

EddieSteadyGo said:

It is an interesting car. For a basic spec car at £400+VAT it seems much better value as a lease than a comparable Model 3.

Really looking forward to seeing one in the flesh and having a good look around it.

Considerably cheaper than the Model 3 LR currently on the same terms as you say, can only assume they've had a lot of cancelled orders or are trying to get the brand/car out there much like Jaguar did with initial deals on the iPace at 5k miles per year?

Be interesting how long the current deals last for as our Model 3 P on a deal we got last year is cheaper than current prices for both the Polestar 2 and Model 3 SR+

[EddieSteadyGo]

SWoll said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

It is an interesting car. For a basic spec car at £400+VAT it seems much better value as a lease than a comparable Model 3.

Really looking forward to seeing one in the flesh and having a good look around it.

Considerably cheaper than the Model 3 LR currently on the same terms as you say, can only assume they've had a lot of cancelled orders or are trying to get the brand/car out there much like Jaguar did with initial deals on the iPace at 5k miles per year?

Be interesting how long the current deals last for as our Model 3 P on a deal we got last year is cheaper than current prices for both the Polestar 2 and Model 3 SR+

Yes, Model 3 deals were there to be had last year, for sure.

For these cars, I would imagine they have been planning to send lots here on a boat and didn't imagine they would need to sell them in the wake of a pandemic.

I would think later in the year the prices will increase, just as they did for the i-pace and the Tesla.

[SWoll]

EddieSteadyGo said:

SWoll said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

It is an interesting car. For a basic spec car at £400+VAT it seems much better value as a lease than a comparable Model 3.

Really looking forward to seeing one in the flesh and having a good look around it.

Considerably cheaper than the Model 3 LR currently on the same terms as you say, can only assume they've had a lot of cancelled orders or are trying to get the brand/car out there much like Jaguar did with initial deals on the iPace at 5k miles per year?

Be interesting how long the current deals last for as our Model 3 P on a deal we got last year is cheaper than current prices for both the Polestar 2 and Model 3 SR+

Yes, Model 3 deals were there to be had last year, for sure.

For these cars, I would imagine they have been planning to send lots here on a boat and didn't imagine they would need to sell them in the wake of a pandemic.

I would think later in the year the prices will increase, just as they did for the i-pace and the Tesla.

Indeed. Get them while you can as I don't see them staying at this price for long.

Be interested to know how much the performance package adds to the cost on a 3+35 deal. Getting a top spec car with the 20" wheels, gold Brembos and Ohlins DFV's for less than a standard Model 3 LR would be quite a deal.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 3rd July 16:46

[jason61c]

I had been offered the model 3 LR at a lower base cost, however adding some spec/tech pushed the price up a chunk for a car that shouldn't be as nice as place to sit as the Polestar.

[jason61c]

SWoll said:

Indeed. Get them while you can as I don't see them staying at this price for long.

Be interested to know how much the performance package adds to the cost on a 3+35 deal.

Its about £100 a month.

I was going to go for it however I'd prefer a 'softer' car for the motorway waft!